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  • I hope the young guys getting emotional were Gilbert, Walters, Davis, maybe Hopkins, and White. We need leadership on O in the worst way.

    I think the D will get things corrected. They know they played poorly. They are not happy about it. They know they embarrassed themselves and the team and you can bet everyone is on the same page this week. The leadership is there from the players to get everyone on the same page and doing what they need to do. Muschamp won't have to worry about guys' confidence or attitude or coachability or anything like that this week. He knows they sucked, they know they sucked, time to watch the film, get the mental mistakes, missed assignments and missed tackles corrected and get ready to bring the pain to OU.

    Legendary Horn

  • I'd like to know who got emotional in that locker room. Those guys are probably the future leaders of the team.

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    I'd like to know who got emotional in that locker room. Those guys are probably the future leaders of the team.

    If one of those players was Mike Davis, I'll be extremely happy.

    I think Jeffcoat was probably one.

    NLeininger

  • BobbyBurton said...

    I'd like to know who got emotional in that locker room. Those guys are probably the future leaders of the team.

    Same here.

    This post was edited by MBarnett on 9/27/2010 at 1:16 PM

    MBarnett

  • defense is not the issue. As someone point out earlier, they took some chances in the second half and paid for it at times (bring safety up and out of position). Gideon and Higgins didn't have good games though.

    The offense is a mess and I'm not sure it can be fixed this season. The guy I talked to last night had a great quote "looks like a team starting spring ball instead of OU this week". That's not what you want to see or expect to see from Texas these days. This situation on offense right now is awful and it's due to just about every reason you can come up with: attrition, poor development, poor coaching, young players, no leadership. Looks like a perfect storm has struck Texas this year on that side of the ball and it's going to be here all year from the looks of it. Coaches look a bit panicked right now trying to come up with something.

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  • el mahico said...

    defense is not the issue. As someone point out earlier, they took some chances in the second half and paid for it at times (bring safety up and out of position). Gideon and Higgins didn't have good games though.

    The offense is a mess and I'm not sure it can be fixed this season. The guy I talked to last night had a great quote "looks like a team starting spring ball instead of OU this week". That's not what you want to see or expect to see from Texas these days. This situation on offense right now is awful and it's due to just about every reason you can come up with: attrition, poor development, poor coaching, young players, no leadership. Looks like a perfect storm has struck Texas this year on that side of the ball and it's going to be here all year from the looks of it. Coaches look a bit panicked right now trying to come up with something.

    It's mostly poor evaluation. It's scary to admit since there is no quick fix. Our attrition hasn't been out of the ordinary for most major programs.

    Quarterback

  • EM, once again your backstage knowledge sharing is a breath of fresh air for those of us left gasping after Saturday's debacle. I, for one, want to see our team emotional and fired up coming out of this loss. The young players standing up in the locker room tells me that there is character there, and character is displayed by taking accountability and doing whatever it takes to rectify your personal failures. I want to see inspired performances this week from those who hurt us the most in this last game, not for my personal enjoyment but so that those players can display the sacrificial love and "team first" attitude it takes to win it for your brothers and not for yourself.

    HornDomination

  • the offensive players in the 2006 class have been an absolute killer the past seasons.

    4 OL - 0 starters, 3 guys left the program completely.
    2 QB - 1 transfer, 1 graduated - no contributions on the field
    2 RB - McGee and Cobb showed flashes early but injuries got Cobb and the scheme didn't fit McGee
    2 TE - both were converted to OL, Smith moved back. Mitchell becomes a starter this year mainly out of circumstance, Smith passed by Matthews at TE.
    3 WR - Marshall moved to TE and had a career ending injury, Payne and Webber never developed and transferred.

    Wow. ZERO contributors on offense in the 2006 class on offense. That is shocking and down-right pathetic, especially for a staff that recruits as well as this staff does.

    2007 class was an upgrade over 2006(how could it not be) providing the team with several starters, but again 0 impact players.

    4 OL - 1 transfer, 2 3 year starters, Allen hasn't been able to put it together
    2 QB - 1 transfered, 1 played QB then moved to WR, decent player.
    2 RB - 1 decent short yardage back, 1 decent starter
    3 TE - Irby was on his way before getting hurt, not sure what happened with Harris, Howard is #3 at TE.
    3 WR - Collins would have been an impact guy this year IMO but he was a knucklehead. Kirkendoll is solid and has his moments. Malcolm still battling consistency issues.

    2 classes, 0 impact players on offense. Unbelievable.

    This post was edited by Legendary Horn on 9/27/2010 at 1:54 PM

    Legendary Horn

  • el mahico said...

    defense is not the issue. As someone point out earlier, they took some chances in the second half and paid for it at times (bring safety up and out of position). Gideon and Higgins didn't have good games though.

    No offense but perhaps you missed the 2nd half were we were shreadded.

    They took the field in the 3rd quarter and gave up an 80 and 50 yard drive in the their 1st 3 possession.

    Yeah I know, silly me. It's all the offenses fault but we weren't "taking chances" early in the 3rd quarter. We were getting abused.

    Doesn't forgive the O but. let's not act like the 2nd half wasn't dreadful on both sides of the ball.

    echeese262

  • BobbyBurton said...

    I'd like to know who got emotional in that locker room. Those guys are probably the future leaders of the team.

    i thought it was interesting as well. I asked him if any upperclassmen got up in front of the team and he said not that i remember. Very telling.

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  • echeese262 said...

    No offense but perhaps you missed the 2nd half were we were shreadded.

    They took the field in the 3rd quarter and gave up an 80 and 50 yard drive in the their 1st 3 possession.

    Yeah I know, silly me. It's all the offenses fault but we weren't "taking chances" early in the 3rd quarter. We were getting abused.

    Doesn't forgive the O but. let's not act like the 2nd half wasn't dreadful on both sides of the ball.

    i agree with what you're saying, but if the offense puts up at least one good half of football this doesn't happen, imo. The Texas defense can't be expected to dominate when they are on the field 11 more minutes of game time than the offense. They simply got tired in the second half.

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  • Legendary Horn said...

    the offensive players in the 2006 class have been an absolute killer the past seasons.

    4 OL - 0 starters, 3 guys left the program completely. 2 QB - 1 transfer, 1 graduated - no contributions on the field 2 RB - McGee and Cobb showed flashes early but injuries got Cobb and the scheme didn't fit McGee 2 TE - both were converted to OL, Smith moved back. Mitchell becomes a starter this year mainly out of circumstance, Smith passed by Matthews at TE. 3 WR - Marshall moved to TE and had a career ending injury, Payne and Webber never developed and transferred.

    Wow. ZERO contributors on offense in the 2006 class on offense. That is shocking and down-right pathetic, especially for a staff that recruits as well as this staff does.

    2007 class was an upgrade over 2006(how could it not be) providing the team with several starters, but again 0 impact players.

    4 OL - 1 transfer, 2 3 year starters, Allen hasn't been able to put it together 2 QB - 1 transfered, 1 played QB then moved to WR, decent player. 2 RB - 1 decent short yardage back, 1 decent starter 3 TE - Irby was on his way before getting hurt, not sure what happened with Harris, Howard is #3 at TE. 3 WR - Collins would have been an impact guy this year IMO but he was a knucklehead. Kirkendoll is solid and has his moments. Malcolm still battling consistency issues.

    2 classes, 0 impact players on offense. Unbelievable.

    Legendary, great post.

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  • quick glance at 2008 and 2009 doesn't give many impact guys either.

    Monroe and Goodwin are the only guys that you could say are "impact" players.

    Still unsure about Hales, Fitzhenry, and Timmons. Hales look good in the spring, might as well get him out there and see what he can do. Timmons is still hurt I think.

    So far 2010 looks good though. Davis and White seem to be the real deal. Hopefully Jones and Terrell can develop as well, both were beasts in HS also so there's hope there.

    2011 should produce at least Shipley. Maybe the staff should go after another WR though? Ladarius Brown maybe? Maybe try to steal Metoyer from OU?

    Legendary Horn

  • They may very will win Saturday and somone might emerge, but this thread makes it painfully obvious that we are in a big hurt for talent because we (fans) seem to be pinning our hopes on an inexperienced, 170 lb running back.

    hornagain

  • hornagain said...

    They may very will win Saturday and somone might emerge, but this thread makes it painfully obvious that we are in a big hurt for talent because we (fans) seem to be pinning our hopes on an inexperienced, 170 lb running back.

    Our best play-makers are a true freshman WR, a track star at WR, and a DB converted to RB converted to WR converted back to RB.

    Legendary Horn

  • el mahico said...

    i agree with what you're saying, but if the offense puts up at least one good half of football this doesn't happen, imo. The Texas defense can't be expected to dominate when they are on the field 11 more minutes of game time than the offense. They simply got tired in the second half.

    Oh trust me,

    I'm plenty pissed about the O but what I am most pissed about were the HS style mistakes, Chiles not knowing where the yard marker was, dropped passes, dumb penalties. We should have put up 10-17 points in the 1st half, easily.

    But "they were tired"? We've become Bob Stoops and we know excuses.

    they gave up the 80 yard drive coming out for the 3rd quarter and TOP was almost exactly even in the 1st half. They gave up the final backbreaker 1 more drive removed.

    The D's failure was in the 3rd quarter, you'd have more of a point if it was in the 4th

    echeese262

  • El Mahico,

    Your posts are like fresh water. Thanks as always. And remember, there's an "ignore poster" feature on this site! :)

    jjloehr

  • yes, "coaches look (sound) a bit panicked..."

    this will be most important if they are to actually help get the players into a better place mentally as well...

    coaches must also believe they can win, and that their strategy is right.

    jjloehr

  • Uh, oh yeah, and coaches will also need to make several key adjustments...

    jjloehr

  • echeese262 said...

    Oh trust me,

    I'm plenty pissed about the O but what I am most pissed about were the HS style mistakes, Chiles not knowing where the yard marker was, dropped passes, dumb penalties. We should have put up 10-17 points in the 1st half, easily.

    But "they were tired"? We've become Bob Stoops and we know excuses.

    they gave up the 80 yard drive coming out for the 3rd quarter and TOP was almost exactly even in the 1st half. They gave up the final backbreaker 1 more drive removed.

    The D's failure was in the 3rd quarter, you'd have more of a point if it was in the 4th

    Those type of small mistakes are correctable. I am more worried about the fact that the coaches think our best option is to have a TE on the field. And to not give Monroe more touches. And that after 4 years of development Hix and Huey still make many mental mistakes; while also not being effective with simple one on one blocks.

    El Gato

  • echeese262 said...

    Oh trust me,

    I'm plenty pissed about the O but what I am most pissed about were the HS style mistakes, Chiles not knowing where the yard marker was, dropped passes, dumb penalties. We should have put up 10-17 points in the 1st half, easily.

    But "they were tired"? We've become Bob Stoops and we know excuses.

    they gave up the 80 yard drive coming out for the 3rd quarter and TOP was almost exactly even in the 1st half. They gave up the final backbreaker 1 more drive removed.

    The D's failure was in the 3rd quarter, you'd have more of a point if it was in the 4th

    That is some hard-hitting truth, echeese. You're depressing me...

    Do you think the argument that Muschamp was taking more chances in the 2nd half is a legitimate explanation for what happened to us on that 1st and 2nd drive of the 2nd half? If not, why not?

    jjloehr

  • jjloehr said...

    That is some hard-hitting truth, echeese. You're depressing me...

    Do you think the argument that Muschamp was taking more chances in the 2nd half is a legitimate explanation for what happened to us on that 1st and 2nd drive of the 2nd half? If not, why not?

    We are not constructed on defense to defend power rushing teams from behind. It is not what we have spent years recruiting towards or working on schemes. Our defensive stategy for those teams is to get the lead and make them pass. Our strength...pass defense and rush. We are great at rush defense because teams can not rush on us or they will get buried by the score.

    Upon total offensive failure in the first half, the achilles heal of our defense....by design (as you can't be good at everything)...was exposed. There are no fundamental flaws in our defense. They were forced to play to their weakness and it eventually broke them.

    There are fundamental flaws with our offense.....as we have no strengths. We have no ability to do things that help our defense play to its strengths. But we actually do have strengths, a purpose, and a plan on defense. None exist on offense currently.

    This post was edited by El Gato on 9/27/2010 at 6:02 PM

    El Gato

  • I cannot believe I'm paying to read this stuff (because of how painfully sobering it is). I've gotta do an attitude check. I just got back from Future Texas HC's post on TOS. I couldn't bare to read all of it. Just read the "my $.02 worth". It was worse than I'd hoped. I don't know if that guy knows his stuff, but his analysis reads pretty thorough... Do you guys have an opinion on his accuracy?

    Anyway, yes, El Gato, your comment is a great summary. We are not designed to play from behind defensively, unless it is against a passing team. That is so true. I sit here wondering how this wasn't more obvious. I think I was so smitten by the speed on D and Muschamp's brains that my Miami Hurricane flashbacks just took over...

    Is it too late for a bunch of JUCO transfers to come in and help us?

    :)

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jjloehr on 9/27/2010 at 6:09 PM

    jjloehr

  • jjloehr said...

    That is some hard-hitting truth, echeese. You're depressing me...

    Do you think the argument that Muschamp was taking more chances in the 2nd half is a legitimate explanation for what happened to us on that 1st and 2nd drive of the 2nd half? If not, why not?

    You take chances, you open the door to both mistakes and huge plays.

    We're an aggressive D anyway but having rewatched those drives, there were some fundemental flaws in execution (particularly edge contain on a couple plays) that hurt.

    We lost the game in the 3rd quarter. No, not all on the D, the O blew it in the 1st half (badly) and should have had the game closer but end of the day, UCLA's O whipped our DL. Then the O failed to put pressure on UCLA by scoring TDs.

    Game stunk, I'm far less worried about the D vs OU mainly because they have far more talent and are well coached. The O, I think we screwed the pooch this spring trying to be a power rush team and should go 4 WRs but as Bobby has pointed out, that introduces it's own set of problems. We need the TE to block and GG isn't a "quick release" guy.

    Sadly, our O might be 2 years away. Keep in mind we'll have 3 new starters on the OL next year, 1 most likely a true Freshman, maybe two (Flowers and Westerman). Hopkins is our possible LT a true Soph.

    echeese262

  • I missed future Texas HC's post, he does very good work.

    echeese262

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