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Will Connor Brewer be the odd man out?

  • I just don't see him here past spring or the 2013 season because of the offense moving towards a up tempo/zone read attack and he's more of a pocket passer. What do you guys think?

    horns4ever22

  • He's not a zone read QB, but he should do well in an up tempo attack. There's no reason he can't be the starting QB here unless he's just not good enough to win the job. The offensive changes should fit him just fine.

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    MartiMar

  • MartiMar said...

    He's not a zone read QB, but he should do well in an up tempo attack. There's no reason he can't be the starting QB here unless he's just not good enough to win the job. The offensive changes should fit him just fine.

    This is an accurate statement. Conner Brewer was in a spread offense in HS, so if we go 4 wide out and some zone read, it should play right into what he comfortable with. Especially if we are throwing the rock more than we've been working on. I think CB actually gets a better deal now w/ the change of O philosophy then he might have received before w/ Harsin's/MB's power running attack. Major will succeed, mark it, in this league....

    UTKris

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    Longhorn in OK

  • He is accurate. in this or any offense, that is very important.

    churchill

  • We tend to forget how athletic Conner is, he reminds me A LOT of Colt in that aspect. I think he will do great.

    Hookem Duguid

  • Overstreet has more physicality and Brewer has more passing accuracy. The player who develops his weaker dimension faster, and shows the most swag in his QB play will be the one who probably prevails.

    detly wepun

  • Brewer should be fine

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    Chaparral HS Firebirds - Ready for the 2011 season

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    Even if it means pissin' you off a little bit to get you to work, I'm not gonna' let you down. ~ Bennie Wylie

    papa horn

  • papa horn said...

    Brewer should be fine

    I dunno, he loses a lot of points for Party Rock.

    GPie

  • Hell no. Kid will be the number 2 guy this year. He's accurate and smart. Very much like Colt. Don't sleep on this kid.

    Buster9

  • MartiMar said...

    He's not a zone read QB, but he should do well in an up tempo attack. There's no reason he can't be the starting QB here unless he's just not good enough to win the job. The offensive changes should fit him just fine.

    Damn. /thread

    +1

    Black Shipley

  • If ash makes the same jump he made this pass year into an elite qb, Any chance he takes off after his 2013 campaign? His personality tells me he will stay and get a degree.

    driftwoodHorn

  • churchill said...

    He is accurate. in this or any offense, that is very important.

    This.

    Halonic

  • I'm hopeful that most of the 2nd team snaps in the spring, summer and fall are taken by Brewer and Overstreet. It's more important to understand what we have with those two and develop them than waste any more time on McCoy.

    maninblack1

  • Buster9 said...

    Hell no. Kid will be the number 2 guy this year. He's accurate and smart. Very much like Colt. Don't sleep on this kid.

    is this confirmed ?

    not picking on you, just genuinely don't know.

    I really hope we're done with the case mccoy experiment.

    horned_lurker

  • horns4ever22 said...

    I just don't see him here past spring or the 2013 season because of the offense moving towards a up tempo/zone read attack and he's more of a pocket passer. What do you guys think?

    That's what Brad McCoy would want. But I have a feeling Case will be a spectator for the rest of his career in the Burnt Orange.

    horn4jc

  • i think this is way over-blown. First off Brewer is a reported 4.7 guy. That is plenty fast enough to run the the occasional zone-read. You do not need to be a blazer at QB to run it. Watch some Baylor film from last yr. Was anybody really afraid of Nick Florence's speed? McCoy ran a 4.8 at the combine. As long as the QB remains a reasonable threat, he will stop the DE from diving down on the RB. That is the most important part of the play, because RB will get the ball 70-80% of the time. Pt of play is to make the DE play assignment football, not rush your QB 20 times (unless it is VY)..

    This post was edited by Codaxx on 2/14/2013 at 11:25 AM

    Codaxx

  • Remember that his sister has left the swim team and transferd.

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    dkm1

  • dkm1 said...

    Remember that his sister has left the swim team and transferd.

    Because the coach she was recruited by was let go. Connor is his own man. He has family at other colleges. So what

    This post was edited by Longhorn in OK on 2/14/2013 at 1:08 PM

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  • Codaxx said...

    i think this is way over-blown. First off Brewer is a reported 4.7 guy. That is plenty fast enough to run the the occasional zone-read. You do not need to be a blazer at QB to run it. Watch some Baylor film from last yr. Was anybody really afraid of Nick Florence's speed? McCoy ran a 4.8 at the combine. As long as the QB remains a reasonable threat, he will stop the DE from diving down on the RB. That is the most important part of the play, because RB will get the ball 70-80% of the time. Pt of play is to make the DE play assignment football, not rush your QB 20 times (unless it is VY)..

    Brewer is more like a 4.8 guy and does not possess very good lateral quickness (I think he timed out at 4.56 in the short shuttle his senior year which is well below average, even for a QB). He is not a guy you want running the zone read very often because if the defense doesn't respect your running ability the play is useless. He was built for the spread where the system requires quick throws and accuracy. So that part of Applewhite's plan would suit him perfectly. I just don't see the zone read being something that Brewer would be particulary good at or suited for.

    Could he run it a few times a game as a change of pace, sure, but he is not near as athletic as Overstreet, Swoopes, or even Ash. Brewer ran a little in high school (384 yds his senior year), but I wouldn't call him a dual threat by any means. His top end speed may be the same as Colt's but I'd venture a guess that Colt had better lateral quickness and was a better athlete than Brewer is.

    I'll take anyone at backup QB over Case though... what a waste.

    This post was edited by Mueltrain06 on 2/14/2013 at 12:54 PM

    Mueltrain06

  • No. He's going to win the Heisman this year after getting arrested.

    skinsman6394

  • Mueltrain06 said...

    Brewer is more like a 4.8 guy and does not possess very good lateral quickness (I think he timed out at 4.56 in the short shuttle his senior year which is well below average, even for a QB). He is not a guy you want running the zone read very often because if the defense doesn't respect your running ability the play is useless. He was built for the spread where the system requires quick throws and accuracy. So that part of Applewhite's plan would suit him perfectly. I just don't see the zone read being something that Brewer would be particulary good at or suited for.

    Could he run it a few times a game as a change of pace, sure, but he is not near as athletic as Overstreet, Swoopes, or even Ash. Brewer ran a little in high school (384 yds his senior year), but I wouldn't call him a dual threat by any means. His top end speed may be the same as Colt's but I'd venture a guess that Colt had better lateral quickness and was a better athlete than Brewer is.

    I'll take anyone at backup QB over Case though... what a waste.

    Correct. Look at Oregon. They ran the ball 686 times last yr and 667 if you take sacks out. Mariota ran the ball 87 times all yr. That is 13%. Mariota averaged under 7 carries a game, so the idea that you need to give the ball to the QB 20 times to be effective is fantasy. You just need a guy capable of punishing the defense when they over commit to the inside run. Couple 8 yds runs will do the trick. We are talking about 4-7 carries a game, unless the defense is giving away yards to the QB.

    Codaxx

  • You don't have to use the zone read to go up tempo. OU has been putting statues under center for 8 years using an up tempo offense and has done just fine.

    I may have missed it, but did anyone actually say that we're going back to the ZR, or is that based on the fact that we made some hay on the QB draw in the Alamo Bowl?

    I got brains. I got big ol' brains. I got dinosaur brains.

    Bobby_Batronic

  • Bobby_Batronic said...

    I may have missed it, but did anyone actually say that we're going back to the ZR, or is that based on the fact that we made some hay on the QB draw in the Alamo Bowl?

    That, and the recruitments of Overstreet, Swoopes, Heard, and flirting with Nick Marshall. Pretty clear indication of the direction AppleWyatt want to go with the offense. Brewer is the last of the nonDT QBs recruited.

    GPie

  • Bobby_Batronic said...

    You don't have to use the zone read to go up tempo. OU has been putting statues under center for 8 years using an up tempo offense and has done just fine.

    I may have missed it, but did anyone actually say that we're going back to the ZR, or is that based on the fact that we made some hay on the QB draw in the Alamo Bowl?

    I think we want a QB that can motor well enough to generate explosive keeper plays, and take away defensive options.

    A QB with enough quickness forces defenses out of their preferred schemes and requires them to play 11 on 11. A QB who's a rushing threat makes it riskier to play man coverage, because defenders can't afford to turn their backs on the LOS. It also exploits hard upfield pass rushers.

    Right now no one knows whether or not Brewer presents the kind of defense-altering rushing threat that some of our other QB candidates may offer.

    This post was edited by detly wepun on 2/14/2013 at 3:18 PM

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