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Why was this OU game different?

  • BobbyBurton said...

    Of the four blowouts at the hands of the Sooners, this was the worst of all.

    There was a feel to this game unlike any of the others.

    There was a sense of hopelessness, not of derisiveness or the thoughts of what could have been.

    In the past, there were always turnovers that aided the Sooners running it up or maybe a scintillating Vince Young run to cling to for hope. That was never the case on Saturday.

    The Longhorns left the game with no hope because they never had any answers for the Sooners.

    This game wasn't about Texas shooting itself in the foot on offense and defense. It was about the Longhorns being incapable.

    The defense had no clue how to stop a two-back offense in the pistol formation.

    The offense had no game plan for an out-matched offensive line.

    To all the posters on this thread: Yes, the last 3 years
    have been inexcusable. Yes, Mack needs to go. I only
    have one question: After the game in '09 when we had
    just beaten OU for the 4th time in 5 years, did Stoops
    have his "Jihad" get his guys "more fired up" "outcoach"
    Mack in this big rivalry game, etc...? It's easy now to
    pile on, and I am as guilty as anyone, but I don't believe
    ANY POSTER was saying all these things after the "09
    game! If you did, I totally missed it! If you want to say this
    is the case the last 3 years, I agree, but don't tell me you
    believed this in '09. You, as i did, thought we had "turned
    the corner" and Mack no longer had that "deer in the
    headlights" vs. Stoops as the series was narrowed to
    6-5 Mack vs. Stoops. To say it's always been like this
    the past 14 years is just not fair.

    bay city tex

  • I think the blowouts have more to do with unsound defense than Mack Brown. When Chizik and Muschamp were coordinations no blowouts.

    Two blowouts with Carl Reese and two with Manny.

    BTW I think Mack should be replaced too, after today.

    CrazyTrain23

  • CrazyTrain23 said...

    I think the blowouts have more to do with unsound defense than Mack Brown. When Chizik and Muschamp were coordinations no blowouts.

    Two blowouts with Carl Reese and two with Manny.

    BTW I think Mack should be replaced too, after today.

    it's time to start looking at the constant. The head coach. This year, like years past, his team was unprepared, out-coached, out-executed, out-whatever.

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  • CrazyTrain23 said...

    I think the blowouts have more to do with unsound defense than Mack Brown. When Chizik and Muschamp were coordinations no blowouts.

    Reasonable statement.

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  • bay city tex said...

    To all the posters on this thread: Yes, the last 3 years
    have been inexcusable. Yes, Mack needs to go. I only
    have one question: After the game in '09 when we had
    just beaten OU for the 4th time in 5 years, did Stoops
    have his "Jihad" get his guys "more fired up" "outcoach"
    Mack in this big rivalry game, etc...? It's easy now to
    pile on, and I am as guilty as anyone, but I don't believe
    ANY POSTER was saying all these things after the "09
    game! If you did, I totally missed it! If you want to say this
    is the case the last 3 years, I agree, but don't tell me you
    believed this in '09. You, as i did, thought we had "turned
    the corner" and Mack no longer had that "deer in the
    headlights" vs. Stoops as the series was narrowed to
    6-5 Mack vs. Stoops. To say it's always been like this
    the past 14 years is just not fair.

    No disagreement.

    But you can't turn back time either.

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    BobbyBurton

  • bay city tex said...

    To all the posters on this thread: Yes, the last 3 years have been inexcusable. Yes, Mack needs to go. I only have one question: After the game in '09 when we had just beaten OU for the 4th time in 5 years, did Stoops have his "Jihad" get his guys "more fired up" "outcoach" Mack in this big rivalry game, etc...? It's easy now to pile on, and I am as guilty as anyone, but I don't believe ANY POSTER was saying all these things after the "09 game! If you did, I totally missed it! If you want to say this is the case the last 3 years, I agree, but don't tell me you believed this in '09. You, as i did, thought we had "turned the corner" and Mack no longer had that "deer in the headlights" vs. Stoops as the series was narrowed to 6-5 Mack vs. Stoops. To say it's always been like this the past 14 years is just not fair.

    And this post serves what purpose? Mack was capable of a good 4 year run? Out of 13? VY and Colt, with no small help from Muschamp,handed MB the keys to a dynasty and he pissed it away through sloth and cronyism. I hope I wasn't unclear.

    It's hard to be thankful to a man for rebuilding a brand when he turns around burns it nearly to the ground again. The good years were good, but we were bridesmaids far far more than brides, and now we're not even in the wedding party.

    I got brains. I got big ol' brains. I got dinosaur brains.

    Bobby_Batronic

  • It's time to start looking at the real constant........."De Loss" Dodds. Our football, basketball and baseball programs have all performed below expectations.
    Powers is willing to accept the poor performance of the athletic program as long as Dodds brings in the big bucks to the program. It would take a major power play to unseat Dodds, Brown, Barnes and Garrido. Old AD's never die, they take years and years and big bucks to get them to fade away.

    Coach It Up

  • If nothing else, starting this week we MUST start tackling in practice. The hands only / shoulder bumps in practice have to stop. We are playing like we practice...soft and weak. If Mack is serious about staying then he has to take that step. If not, it's time to hang up the hat.

    LonghornSD

  • I think the main thought to take out of this is if Mack continues to coach Texas then there will be another blowout in the TX/OU game and it will not be in our favor. I figured it would be a shootout but as soon as Texas went three and out I knew it would be another lopsided win for OU.

    This post was edited by Hookem89 on 10/13/2012 at 11:43 PM

    Hookem89

  • bay city tex said...

    To all the posters on this thread: Yes, the last 3 years
    have been inexcusable. Yes, Mack needs to go. I only
    have one question: After the game in '09 when we had
    just beaten OU for the 4th time in 5 years, did Stoops
    have his "Jihad" get his guys "more fired up" "outcoach"
    Mack in this big rivalry game, etc...? It's easy now to
    pile on, and I am as guilty as anyone, but I don't believe
    ANY POSTER was saying all these things after the "09
    game! If you did, I totally missed it! If you want to say this
    is the case the last 3 years, I agree, but don't tell me you
    believed this in '09. You, as i did, thought we had "turned
    the corner" and Mack no longer had that "deer in the
    headlights" vs. Stoops as the series was narrowed to
    6-5 Mack vs. Stoops. To say it's always been like this
    the past 14 years is just not fair.

    Yeah, I was saying it. I have never not claimed that Brown owes VY and Colt McCoy everything. I was bitching about those recruiting classes from 2006-2009 and I was worried that some weaker times lay ahead. I had no idea. There were plenty of us though, we were all just considered negative nellies. I refuse to let history be revised after all of the shit I took during that period for questioning the offensive recruiting and wondering about Mack Brown's complacency. I've never felt the dude got the OU game. So, yeah, your premise is incorrect.

    close to jumping

  • Any goodwill Mack had at Texas left with Cleve Bryant, from that point on it should have been about results. He hasn't delivered. He needs to "retire."

    NLeininger

  • Hookem89 said...

    I think the main thought to take out of this is if Mack continues to coach Texas then there will be another blowout in the TX/OU game and it will not be in our favor. I figured it would be a shootout but as soon as Texas went three and out I knew it would be another lopsided win for OU.

    The Texas D had OU in two 3rd and longs on that first drive and couldn't get them off the field.

    After that, there just weren't many 3rd and longs.

    This post was edited by BobbyBurton on 10/14/2012 at 12:05 AM

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  • close to jumping said...

    Yeah, I was saying it. I have never not claimed that Brown owes VY and Colt McCoy everything. I was bitching about those recruiting classes from 2006-2009 and I was worried that some weaker times lay ahead. I had no idea. There were plenty of us though, we were all just considered negative nellies. I refuse to let history be revised after all of the shit I took during that period for questioning the offensive recruiting and wondering about Mack Brown's complacency. I've never felt the dude got the OU game. So, yeah, your premise is incorrect.

    Two immediate thoughts reading your post beyond the you called it aspect:

    1. You mention complacency.

    I do not think it's fair that Mack gets a free pass on the recruiting efforts of his former assistants, especially on offense. So that means the poor evals by Davis, McWhorter, Kennedy, Rucker and Chambers are all on his hands as well as everybody else's.

    The quarterback decision is a particular issue IMO. Coach Brown was absolutely a part of the decision process that chose not to recruit RGIII and Andrew Luck. He can't be absolved of those no matter how others want to recreate history.

    I think history is repeating itself with the selection of Tyrone Swoopes this year. Same song, different verse.

    I said that this spring and I continue to believe that today.

    2. You mention not getting the OU game.

    I think that's valid to some level.

    Understanding that you can't get blown out in this game has to be part of the course prerequisite to be coach at Texas.

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  • Did Mack weight in on Swoopes or was that Harsin's call?

    I got brains. I got big ol' brains. I got dinosaur brains.

    Bobby_Batronic

  • Bobby_Batronic said...

    Did Mack weight in on Swoopes or was that Harsin's call?

    Scuttlebutt is that Harsin made that call, but Mack had to sign off on it.

    Danno2

  • Danno2 said...

    Scuttlebutt is that Harsin made that call, but Mack had to sign off on it.

    That's not the scuttlebutt here.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BobbyBurton on 10/14/2012 at 12:27 AM

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    That's not the scuttlebutt here.

    That's what I was told, but I'll defer to y'all on it.

    Danno2

  • BobbyBurton said...

    That's not the scuttlebutt here.

    Great. Is Mack trying to get his next VY?

    I got brains. I got big ol' brains. I got dinosaur brains.

    Bobby_Batronic

  • Bobby_Batronic said...

    And this post serves what purpose? Mack was capable of a good 4 year run? Out of 13? VY and Colt, with no small help from Muschamp,handed MB the keys to a dynasty and he pissed it away through sloth and cronyism. I hope I wasn't unclear.

    It's hard to be thankful to a man for rebuilding a brand when he turns around burns it nearly to the ground again. The good years were good, but we were bridesmaids far far more than brides, and now we're not even in the wedding party.

    Bobby
    Your on tonight

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    cohorn

  • Coach It Up said...

    It's time to start looking at the real constant........."De Loss" Dodds. Our football, basketball and baseball programs have all performed below expectations. Powers is willing to accept the poor performance of the athletic program as long as Dodds brings in the big bucks to the program. It would take a major power play to unseat Dodds, Brown, Barnes and Garrido. Old AD's never die, they take years and years and big bucks to get them to fade away.

    You could add LHN to that. Money but not good for fans or recruiting.

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  • srr50 said...

    This was a bully stealing a kid's lunch money -- and then making him say "thank you."

    There are two different cultures at work here. One team comes in with a chip on their shoulder, looking for a fight, realizing just how much this game means to their fans -- their program.

    The other team comes in with a Deer-in-the-headlight look, tentative, confused.

    A wise man once said: "Trends are bunk, only angry people win football games."

    Mack Brown is incapable of creating the culture that emphasizes playing with an urgency, no matter the opponent.

    The very parts of his personality that have made him a spectacular salesman for the program also make him an imperfect coach for bitter rivalry games.

    I

    Great post.

    HelmetBoy1

  • twocents...I understand this is about Mack & the performance of his team, but I wish more people would take a look @ the complete dysfunction in the entire athletic department, as well as Powers' on-going problems.

    Replacing Mack could be a good start to appease the big $$$ donors, & everybody could be happy for a little while...but at this point, a massive overhaul to the entire athletic department execs, as well as numerous coaching changes is really needed...

    If the big $$$ donors are serious about Texas athletics, it starts with replacing Dodds & Plonski @ the end of the year...then replacing Mack...then possibly replacing Augie, if the baseball team continues its regression...then finding quality T&F coaches...etc, etc

    There is a level of urgency and intensity missing from the entire athletic dept...too many upgrades to numerous facilities, contract extensions given, & large bonuses paid out without the corresponding success...@ this point, maybe we need Nick Saban as AD & take his attitude/personality across the entire athletic department

    mcb0703

  • BobbyBurton said...

    Reasonable statement.

    Most of the blowouts have been when Mike Stoops was there. I remember Haydon Fry saying Bob would really miss Mike. We did not even come close to scoring against their No. 1 D which the always gracious Bob pointed out several times in post game interviews.

    beldar

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