Horns247 Board

I really don't understand this thread. Texas produced a ton of wrs. Multiple first round kids.Then Quan and Shipley the older. In the end it is a 2 year dry spell. In that spell, we have one of the better freshman wrs is the country, Young Shipley. So what changed? QB instabilty and 2 offensive systems in 2 yrs. Maybe it is not that Texas is a blackhole for WRs, perhaps it is a reversion to the mean. Maybe it is simply a toxic combination of the last 2 yrs. Yound QBs throwing to young WRs.Generally, you can have one or the other and succeed. Having both is an issue. I am not ready to say that Texas has issues developing kids at wr yet

While I respect the positive outlook, facts speak for themselves when it comes to WR development...during Mack's time @ Texas, he's had 1 WR drafted in the 1st round (not multiple)...& if you review each recruiting class & then review the corresponding NFL draft 4-5 years later, the lack of Texas WR's drafted is glaring

To date, Mack's had 5 WR's drafted into the NFL while HC @ Texas - Williams, Shipley, McGarity, Thomas, Sweed...a few others have rec'd FA contracts

http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/all-time-nfl-draft.html

That may have been part of it but I think poor evaluation and coaching was a bigger issue. Daryl Wyatt seems to be doing a better job. Texas may not end up with the best WR corps in the Big 12 but they are getting a bunch of kids that work well in the Boise system.

Just to say it, one of the knocks on Wright beside his size was that he had trouble getting off the line.

Is the success of a college football coach really measured by how many players go to the NFL? It seems to me that winning games, conference championships, bowl games and national championships, as well as the number of all conference and all american players would outrank that. Just look at all of the terrific college players who for one reason or another never impact the NFL. Do you really ding his college coach for that?

i am clearly in the minority, but much of this seems to be frustration over the past couple yrs. WR havent developed the way we would like. There is clearly blame to be doled out amongst the individual wrs and coaches. I just wonder where Mike Davis would be had COlt been here in 2010 and not the rotating undeclassmen at QB. You brought up a great point about the defense still producing. It actually got me thinking about why there seems to be a massive divide between the success of the 2 areas. Defense seems to have over come the hurdles placed in front of them. The difference maybe simple. Defense has seemed to have older character guys to lead them. Achos come to mind. The last 2 yrs there has not been a player with enough credibilty to hold that side accountable. Coach's share in the to blame, but every unit needs a leader.

I like your lens, I just can't wear it if I want to see clearly. By the way post is fine, if I have to say so myself. Go back and look at the number of recruits we have had at the position just since 2008. It is easy you'll find it on the official site. There has been a remarkable inability to transfer potential--i.e well regarded recruits--to top notch producers. Whoever said it is akin to a blackhole is saying exactly the truth. It really doesn't matter why it has happened.

Some say it has been poor attitude; some entitlement; others lack of motivated players; etc. The issue is that it should not be. One of the great sayings about Bear Bryant was that; "he could use your own to beat his own." So coaching does have a great deal to do with how they turn out in your program.

The responsibility of coaches is to hold the type of issues that have been fingered to be the root cause of the problem of production at the position to a minimum and maximize the bounty of recruiting. What's the point of great recruiting classes if we are just going to allow "reasons" to stop us from getting everything we can from them and making them better for themselves and their families?

I remember that same thing was being said about the OL and running game in '08/'09 when the QB was getting killed and was also the leading rusher. Like you, today, a lot of people disagreed then as well. Played "Ostrich" and stuck their head in the sand. As it turned out, not only did we have a scheme issue, we also had all the other problems that was masqueraded by the two great years, '08 and '09 and the momentum from '05. It came home to roost in '10 and '11. In '11 for instance, Davis played like he was not the same person the year before, like he suddenly forgot who he was. We also lost some really good prospects because of "poor attitude". Well, that only happens when there is lack of structured accountability. Not just in football but anything including business.

The encouraging thing is that the slate is clean. The new coaches we have are very hungry for success so I am guidedly optimistic. We have good players at the position right now and more is coming. We should find a way to use DJ's speed this year if someone has to throw him 500 balls everyday to get his hands to soften and I am glad there are more than 'Ship. This year should be one where the WOs really help the QB position unlike in some games this past year. By the way, I am also optimistic about this year and that it will get turned around like it has at other positions.

Actually 2009 offense was amazing for all the wrong reasons. I believe one of 2 or 3 offenses to actually have a higher success rate on passing situations than standard downs since the stats have been kept. That sort of leads to my pts about recent frustrations. They were able to do that, because of a great QB and an excellent WR corp. I am of the idea that it makes little sense to single out WR. The OL has been a mess for yrs. QB situation has been a disaster. Expecting wrs to flourish in that environment is like expecting to naturally grow grass in the Texas summer. It is pretty much a collective failure. Like watching the offense last year. It seemed no matter what happened there would be a breakdown. If OL blocked QB made a bad read or throw. IF OL and QB did the right thing, a ball was dropped. Until some unit is able to carry the load, I fear development on the side of the ball will continue to be poor

not to flame thetopic, but Shipley was drafted in the 3rd round 2 yrs ago. So it really hasnt been that long since a Longhorn was drafted at WR

I think you have to say it's about development as most of the guys were highly rated by everybody coming out of hgih school.

You go through a couple bad years in a row at any position and you end up struggling. Happened at running back for a while and offensive line, too.

That's a sobering fact. Akina had 12 defensive backs drafted while only 5 receivers have been drafted since 1998. Ouch.

Well, I guess we have to agree to disagree on at least one issue. I am not sure why we can't have several great position coaches. Isn't that the basic goal of hiring good position coaches across the board? I do agree about the other positions contributing to success at receiver and vice versa.

It's Greg Davis and Kirk Bohls' fault.