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Why Brown should stay -- Your thoughts

  • First of all Brown was great this year and I wish him the best of luck whether it be as a Senior playing for the Longhorns, playing in the NBA, or playing in Europe.

    Here are the top 3 reasons why I think Brown should stay:

    1. Brown is not that old...his birthday is February 14, 1990. That means that he is 22 right now--barring a crazy injury he should have 10 plus years of professional basketball in him, whether it be in the NBA or abroad.

    2. The NBA draft is LOADED this year. LOADED. Maybe NBA scouts do not see him as a better prospect next year; HOWEVER, because the draft is so strong this year if he is a fringe first rounder this year he becomes a sure firer first rounder next year. This is HUGE. First rounder equals guaranteed contract/money in the millions. Being a first rounder should set someone for life if they are wise with their money.

    3. I really believe that Brown could benefit from another year to learn how to be a closer and make better decisions. He is a great player and I have loved watching him develop...he carried our team this year. Nonetheless, there frequently were about 2-3 plays near the end of close games this year where I thought he made a horrible decision. If he returns, especially if Ridley comes, he is going to be playing on what should be a great team with a lot of talent. I think that is an invaluable experience.

    There are a few other questions that need to be answered: What is Brown's role in the NBA? Is Brown a Jason Terry or a Nate Robinson etc.? What is his ideal role in the NBA? Can he play PG? I really see Brown benefiting from another year at Texas if he wishes to pursue a career in the NBA. Why? Mostly because the draft is so loaded this year because so many prospects did not enter last year, but also because I think he can still improve in the college game as far as passing, efficiency, and decision making go...plus going out on a big tournament performance always helps, which he has a good chance at doing if he returns 1 more year.

    Whatever he chooses to do I wish him and his family the best of luck and hopes it works out for him. I completely understand if he chooses to leave in order to support his family, but I think it is the smarter decision to stay. He will always be a great Horn no matter what he chooses to do. Thoughts?

    This post was edited by Dave Behr on 3/23/2012 at 8:27 AM

    tallone556

  • JCB has been through a lot over the past 4 or 5 years, hard to begrudge him collecting a check from basketball.

    Endust

  • The draft will always be loaded for a guy like Brown. He isn't a PG by nature and he can't defend a 2 in the NBA. The man has screws in his foot and injury has to be a concern at all times.

    IMO he's a tremendous basketball player. A guy I'd probably put amongst the top 5-7 players Rick has recruited. I've said this a million times, he's a tremendous passer. Many people feel like he's just a scorer, but he'd rather move the ball and help his team. I truly believe that.

    Brown has had nothing but big performances in the tournament to help his draft stock. Three of them in fact. He can't make a bad decision here.

    JCB, you can do more at Texas. You really can. You can make a run next year, a deep one. You will be the catalyst. You can also help your family and earn money now. There is no bad decision. A degree or money. It's a wash. Trust your heart. I've really enjoyed your time on the 40. Hookem

    Beast 512

  • Also a note on coming back if Texas makes a deep run and JCB is considered in POY discussions then his draft stock more than likely will shoot up to potential lotto pick along with Myck if he comes back as well. Plus you come back you graduate, get your degree and play 10 years of basketball somewhere.

    j28tizzle

  • Endust said...

    JCB has been through a lot over the past 4 or 5 years, hard to begrudge him collecting a check from basketball.

    I will not begrudge him at all if he chooses to leave and collect a check. I thought that was pretty clear in my post.

    This post was edited by tallone556 on 3/23/2012 at 1:25 AM

    tallone556

  • First of all, I think JB can be a point guard or at least a back up PG in the NBA...even if it seems he has a score first mentality sometimes. I agree that he is a great passer and I think his decision making has improved a lot. I think it would improve more being the leader on a good team as opposed to a fringe tournament team.

    Secondly, while I agree to a degree that "The draft will always be loaded for a guy like Brown" this draft is significantly more loaded than most in recent history. Last year's lockout led to a lot of potential lottery picks staying. If you want to get drafted in the 1st round you need to be a top 30 player going in (potential or otherwise...). Saying this year's draft is going to be nearly as strong as next years is just an ignorant statement in my opinion. You didn't say that exactly, but I felt as if it was implied. I apologize if I misunderstood you. JB entering a weaker draft helps him. Picks who were projected as top 3 (Perry Jones III and Jared Sullinger) are now considered fringe top 10 in some mocks. This is a huge disadvantage to JB. This is one of the reasons why I had 0 problem with PJ Tucker leaving after his junior year. The draft was significantly stronger the year afterwards. It was a roll of the dice, but it was the right decision to make as far as his NBA dream/hopes went.

    Again, as much as I hope he stays I support whatever decision he makes. I have 0 problem with him choosing to leave and support his family. However, if him staying makes a huge difference and makes him from a fringe first rounder to a for sure first rounder (barring injury) I think the better monetary decision is for him to stay. Again, whatever he chooses I am thankful for the time he spent in the uniform and wish him the best of luck.

    tallone556

  • J'covan is a smart guy winning acasemic recognition.
    If he's drafted and is signed he'll make more money in one year than he would working ten years with a UT degree. That's for playing a game he enjoys.
    He has a child so he wants to provide for his kid and you can't begrudge him for that.

    TXbravehorn

  • j28tizzle said...

    Also a note on coming back if Texas makes a deep run and JCB is considered in POY discussions then his draft stock more than likely will shoot up to potential lotto pick along with Myck if he comes back as well. Plus you come back you graduate, get your degree and play 10 years of basketball somewhere.

    That's insane. A 6'1 nonathletic non pg isn't close to a lotto pick no matter how well he does next year. He'd have to Display one of the greatest shooting percentages in NCAA hostory and ability to shoot very quickly to even think about breaking into the 1st round.

    The deep draft is a legit reason why Kabongo should return, not Brown.

    RMoses158582

  • To be quite frank, I want him to go. When he goes, he's going to make more money than he could ever have imagined and he can provide for his family. He is making a man's choice and the reason he is even considering going to the NBA is because he's growing up and making a huge, selfless decision. He should be proud of whatever decision he makes, and as men of the Longhorn Nation (and for the ladies out there) we should respect and support the guy for being a man and thinking of his family first.

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    Gerry Hamilton ●

  • Appreciate all your thoughts.

    Pinning this.

    This post was edited by Dave Behr on 3/23/2012 at 8:28 AM

    Dave Behr

  • JCB is a tweener, too small to play the 2 in the NBA and not a good enough distributor to play the 1. One more year isn't going to change that. Given the perfect situation, e.g. Daniel Gibson in Cleveland, with LeBron, he can carve out a niche career. Again, one more year at UT ain't changing that.

    Secondly, man's got a family to feed, now. I completely get his decision, and I would first thank him for the contribution, then encourage him to go on to the next level.

    "Ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free"

    TexShoe

  • He is a good enough distributor to play the 1 in the NBA IMO, and I think ultimately it will end up being his pro position.

    neverwenttout

  • TexShoe said...

    JCB is a tweener, too small to play the 2 in the NBA and not a good enough distributor to play the 1. One more year isn't going to change that. Given the perfect situation, e.g. Daniel Gibson in Cleveland, with LeBron, he can carve out a niche career. Again, one more year at UT ain't changing that.

    Secondly, man's got a family to feed, now. I completely get his decision, and I would first thank him for the contribution, then encourage him to go on to the next level.

    He is a better passer than Kabongo. The thing for me is he doesn't have the elite athleticism to defend opposing point guards in the NBA.

    I actually wonder what would happen if somehow(huge longshot) Brown stays and Myck leaves. That would allow him to focus in the offseason on point guard skills and lateral quickness to defend other point guards.

    NYHorn

  • Jamaal Tinsley was a first round pick and he is the neighborhood of size/athleticism combo that J'Covan is.
    J'Covan is a much better shooter and if he played more of the point I think his passing would be on the level as Tinsley.
    That is the type of a guy he should look to who had a very productive NBA career.
    I still think he can be a backup point guard in the NBA who is trusted to make an open shot off the kick or a double team.

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    clacknasty ●

  • He shouldn't. He has done good work while here, he's ready to go try to earn some money from basketball, and he has probably shown as much as he can legitimately hope to show in the college game.

    Do I hope he stays? Sure. Would I, if I were him. Probably not.

    Good luck, JCB, and J'Hookem!

    BEHorn

  • J'Covan can and should go. I am not sure what he gets out of another year of college ball. He should be respected for wanting to support his daughter.

    fredakers

  • clacknasty said...

    Jamaal Tinsley was a first round pick and he is the neighborhood of size/athleticism combo that J'Covan is. J'Covan is a much better shooter and if he played more of the point I think his passing would be on the level as Tinsley. That is the type of a guy he should look to who had a very productive NBA career. I still think he can be a backup point guard in the NBA who is trusted to make an open shot off the kick or a double team.

    Disagree somewhat. Tinsley is much faster with the ball than JCB. I agree that Brown can make some money playing professionally. I just don't think it will be in the NBA. The thoughts of some posters that he could have a ten year career seems like a stretch.

    Also, being a good passer (which he is) does not make him a point guard. Point guards know when to pass, when to drive, and when to shoot, depending on game circumstances. JCB is inconsistent at best in his decision making in those areas.

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    gordosan

  • texaztom said...

    Disagree somewhat. Tinsley is much faster with the ball than JCB. I agree that Brown can make some money playing professionally. I just don't think it will be in the NBA. The thoughts of some posters that he could have a ten year career seems like a stretch.

    Also, being a good passer (which he is) does not make him a point guard. Point guards know when to pass, when to drive, and when to shoot, depending on game circumstances. JCB is inconsistent at best in his decision making in those areas.

    Can't say that's not fair.
    I just remember Tinsley going spin dribble every time down the floor and throwing it to Fizer or Kantrail Horton.

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    clacknasty ●

  • I actually going to go against most on here and say that J'Covan should return and finish his degree....assuming he still needs a few more hours to graduate.

    IMO, you can't put a price tag on a college degree. J'Covan can always come back to finish it for sure, but he's gotta already be close.

    As a bball player, Brown is what he is. His stock isn't going any higher or lower. He'll be able to go overseas and play at any time. Yes, there's chance of injury, but I just feel that many undervalue getting that college degree.

    horn1chris

  • The 2 main points I see for Brown going are as follows:

    1. Support his family
    2. Fear of injury--I do not know enough about his foot issues to compare it to TJ's back issues. When TJ left I was very happy for him because of the huge risk to re-injure his back and kill his career. In a sense that did end up killing his career.

    Both of these are solid reasons. I'm just worried he becomes a 2nd round pick and doesn't make a team. I really do think he could be a solid backup PG in the NBA. I do not understand why people are criticizing his ability to play PG. If he doesn't make the NBA he can pursue a professional career in Europe barring a horrendous injury. Everyone talks about supporting one's family and I think that is a great point--if JB is a first round pick his family is supported for LIFE. If the difference of JB staying and going is 2nd round pick vs 1st round pick barring some sort of injury I think he should stay. If this year's draft wasn't as strong as it is, there is a good chance I would be in the camp that thinks he should leave. BUT, this years draft is loaded. So many 1st round picks from last year returned. If he can put his name in, not hire an agent, and get feedback I think that is the route he should take.

    Lastly, I understand some athletes get underpaid and for that reason I do not blame them holding out on occasion. It is there best/only form of real leverage. However, any BS about a professional athlete not having the ability to support their family is complete BS. I have to reiterate this point. If JB is a 1st round pick next year his family is set. I sadly think there is a substantial risk JB ends up having to play in Europe or the D-League (without being a 1st round pick) even if he does get drafted because of the likelihood he would get drafted in the 2nd round this year.

    Gerry/other bball peeps what are yall's thoughts on how strong this year's draft is compared to next years? Also, does anyone know what the chances of re-injury are for Brown?

    tallone556

  • horn1chris said...

    I actually going to go against most on here and say that J'Covan should return and finish his degree....assuming he still needs a few more hours to graduate.

    IMO, you can't put a price tag on a college degree. J'Covan can always come back to finish it for sure, but he's gotta already be close.

    As a bball player, Brown is what he is. His stock isn't going any higher or lower. He'll be able to go overseas and play at any time. Yes, there's chance of injury, but I just feel that many undervalue getting that college degree.

    Its not about a substantial change in his stock as a player as much as what the stock of the players around him is as far as NBA options go. Goal should be 1st round pick.

    tallone556

  • tallone556 said...

    First of all Brown was great this year and I wish him the best of luck whether it be as a Senior playing for the Longhorns, playing in the NBA, or playing in Europe.

    Here are the top 3 reasons why I think Brown should stay:

    1. Brown is not that old...his birthday is February 14, 1990. That means that he is 22 right now--barring a crazy injury he should have 10 plus years of professional basketball in him, whether it be in the NBA or abroad.

    2. The NBA draft is LOADED this year. LOADED. Maybe NBA scouts do not see him as a better prospect next year; HOWEVER, because the draft is so strong this year if he is a fringe first rounder this year he becomes a sure firer first rounder next year. This is HUGE. First rounder equals guaranteed contract/money in the millions. Being a first rounder should set someone for life if they are wise with their money.

    3. I really believe that Brown could benefit from another year to learn how to be a closer and make better decisions. He is a great player and I have loved watching him develop...he carried our team this year. Nonetheless, there frequently were about 2-3 plays near the end of close games this year where I thought he made a horrible decision. If he returns, especially if Ridley comes, he is going to be playing on what should be a great team with a lot of talent. I think that is an invaluable experience.

    There are a few other questions that need to be answered: What is Brown's role in the NBA? Is Brown a Jason Terry or a Nate Robinson etc.? What is his ideal role in the NBA? Can he play PG? I really see Brown benefiting from another year at Texas if he wishes to pursue a career in the NBA. Why? Mostly because the draft is so loaded this year because so many prospects did not enter last year, but also because I think he can still improve in the college game as far as passing, efficiency, and decision making go...plus going out on a big tournament performance always helps, which he has a good chance at doing if he returns 1 more year.

    Whatever he chooses to do I wish him and his family the best of luck and hopes it works out for him. I completely understand if he chooses to leave in order to support his family, but I think it is the smarter decision to stay. He will always be a great Horn no matter what he chooses to do. Thoughts?

    Biggest thing you didn't mention and what I think is most important is getting a free UT degree! Everyone on this board thinks that J'covan's basketball future may not be on the super star level, so if this is true and he has a 5-7 year nba career with some d-league stops along the way you would think he would want to think beyond that time period. If he really wants to take care of his family, he should get his degree and guarantee that he has a solid backup career after basketball is over...

    ValleyHorn ●

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