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Who do you think should be the back up QB??

  • pepper11 said...

    Well, in the sense that the University of Texas may not have a better option than Case f*cking McCoy is a little funny.......in self deprecating sort of way.

    and just think, Ash is just a little ahead of him

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  • If someone's absolutely better than McCoy, then let's see it.

    Otherwise, McCoy to start the year. Game experience truly is invaluable.

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    If someone's absolutely better than McCoy, then let's see it.

    Otherwise, McCoy to start the year. Game experience truly is invaluable.

    +1 Bobby, this is so obvious I can't see why everyone can't see this. I think alot of the other opinions are just wishful thinking and are thinking with the heart instead of the head. Much of it with a hard heart.

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  • Cold truth - The gap between Ash and Case is smaller than the gap between Case and the others.

    Also, since this is Mack's make-or-break season (and it is), don't be surprised if he panics at the first sign of Ash having one of his comatose days and sends Case in there asap. Case has burned Mack off-the-field, but he's saved Mack's hiney several times on the field. Mack may go back to the well if he gets desperate.

    But actually, we are strategizing to further decrease pressure and emphasis on QB play. I'm talking about the hurry-up with a 2-back set. Anything we can do to lower demands on our modest QBs, and put the load on our stallions.

    browncounty

  • They need to see what Brewer can do and the only way to see it is to play him. No more of this were ahead so stop trying to score with the backups because it could be considered un- sportsman like. Let the backups play and keep running the same offense.

    CelinaHorn

  • I am sorry. In my original post I forgot to add you can't say Case. Of all four backups I want case. Sorry to make it confusing..

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  • browncounty said...

    Cold truth - The gap between Ash and Case is smaller than the gap between Case and the others.

    Also, since this is Mack's make-or-break season (and it is), don't be surprised if he panics at the first sign of Ash having one of his comatose days and sends Case in there asap. Case has burned Mack off-the-field, but he's saved Mack's hiney several times on the field. Mack may go back to the well if he gets desperate.

    But actually, we are strategizing to further decrease pressure and emphasis on QB play. I'm talking about the hurry-up with a 2-back set. Anything we can do to lower demands on our modest QBs, and put the load on our stallions.

    +1 Browncounty You have the facts right, and the possibilites of Ash being pulled during a meltdown are correct as well. I wish the gap was greater but wishing it dosen't make it so.

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  • cohorn said...

    and just think, Ash is just a little ahead of him

    You don't actually believe that do you?

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    If someone's absolutely better than McCoy, then let's see it.

    Otherwise, McCoy to start the year. Game experience truly is invaluable.

    That's a bit of inevitability built into that statement. Case has more game experience. No one else has any. Using that line of reasoning, no one else gets a serious look. I understand the point, but I think the two red-shirt freshmen should get significant minutes as back-ups during the remainder of spring and August camp, as well as reps during summer 7 on sevens. Then whoever is best should get at least a couple of series during early pre-season to see what they bring to the table.

    When I look at Case and Brewer, the only advantage that goes to Case is experience. Brewer is as big and physical as Case at this point for the running game. . He has a moderately stronger arm; plus has the same quick release. The only thing he doesn't have is experience; and that is picked up through reps. Overstreet is a better athlete than either one of them including arm strength; but he didn't get anywhere close to the high schooling and tutoring that the other two did; and it shows at this point. But lets give the two young kids legitimate shot at unseating McCoy. Both have a lot more upside; and it Swoop's obviously needs a red-shirt; so its time for him to take a back-seat and become an understudy for this year.

    We know what we have in McCoy; and he doesn't need a lot of practice reps to be who is going to be. He brings a few intangibles to the table, primarily good recognition and a quick accurate release on short passes. But his physical limitations are a major liability when a good D.C knows he's going to be in the game. We saw that against Baylor in 2011 and against KSU in the second half in 2012. We simply aren't going to beat a decent defense who knows he is going to be running the offense.

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  • I can't even trust Case's decision making on a simple hitch route. I actually do believe Mack will make him the back up because he did in fact save his ass against KU and with that comes certain politics I will never understand. Mack is no Harbaugh who will do whatever it takes to win. He plays favorites. Like I said earlier if everyone gets a "fair" chance to compete for the spot then it should be worked out. But Mack has already stated that Ash is the starter, how do you know he hasn't secretly made up his mind about the back up? Experience is invaluable for some players. Then there players like Case or GG that just are what they are.

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  • driftwoodHorn said...

    But Mack has already stated that Ash is the starter, how do you know he hasn't secretly made up his mind about the back up?

    So you think the starting job should be an open competition?

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  • PhilCantone said...

    The horns offense I have seen the last couple of years is severely lacking a difference maker at QB. You know what you have with Ash, he is manageable but he is not going to go out win a title for texas IMO. Plays tough and does what he can but he doesnt look like the type to lead an offense that really needs to score a lot to support the defense.

    Agree. I would like to see Ash as the backup. Texas should have a roster full of quarterbacks that are just "serviceable" to choose from as the backup.

    Halonic

  • cohorn said...

    and just think, Ash is just a little ahead of him

    Well, Case has been throwing that out route since he was 3.

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  • Bandit18 said...

    Well, Case has been throwing that out route since he was 3.

    Well the field probably wasn't as wide. It's not his fault the field got wider. but seriously pointing out Case is closer to Ash than the kids are to McCoy is pretty obvious unless you have a greatly inflated opinion of Ash or your a McCoy hater. In either of those cases then no reason to discuss the point.

    This post was edited by cohorn on 3/11/2013 at 12:12 AM

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  • Kind of a moot point really, not a question as to who the backup is now or will be in the Fall. Seriously, if we have to depend on a backup this season we are done for regardless. Ash is that far better than anyone else on campus.

    dentonhorn

  • No one here knows how good any of the backups are, and we won't know until we see them play in a game. All we know is that even though Case is wasting reps right now, he gives us the best chance to win if Ash goes down.

    Ideally, Case wouldn't be on the team right now. This would mean Ash wouldn't have to worry about Mack benching him (and would therefore be more relaxed) and the younger guys would get plenty of reps and fight for the backup spot.

    Thepop

  • Unless you've seen practice how would you know? And why would you declare a second team QB in March?

    Goo

  • Thepop said...
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    Ideally, Case wouldn't be on the team right now. This would mean Ash wouldn't have to worry about Mack benching him ...

    Why would that mean, "Ash wouldn't have to worry about Mack benching him ..." ?

    Hook 'Em! ...'til early in the morn.

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  • Goo said...

    Unless you've seen practice how would you know? And why would you declare a second team QB in March?

    From a historical point of view, Mack, has not been very good with QBs. So, it goes without saying that even if someone is doing better in practice he moves up the chart. This is why IMO we have negative feedback on the boards when it comes to QBs. We all remember Mack's handling of the position over the years, again, it has made us very leary of the decision making process of who gets to play and why.

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  • Anyone who doesn't say Case McCoy is a fool and is letting their emotions interfere with rational decision making. Senior quarterback with skins on the wall and game experience makes this a no-brainer.

    If it has to be one of the other three then draw lots.

    PHLHorn

  • atxchip said...

    Why would that mean, "Ash wouldn't have to worry about Mack benching him ..." ?

    +1 atxchip You are one of the guys that gets what the real QB situation is, and it is really not who and how many reps the backup QBs get.

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  • Goo said...

    Unless you've seen practice how would you know? And why would you declare a second team QB in March?

    Maybe because the backup is a senior, has started a bunch of games, and came off the bench in difficult situations to win a game or two. The other candidates are freshmen and none of them are Manning clones. Oh yeah, the head coach has stated that Ash and McCoy are way ahead of the kids. I know that is not much to go on but....
    I hope one of the kids asserts himself by the end of fall practice or by the middle of the season because if not we have worse problems at QB than most of you realize and I'm not just talking about who the backup is. We have a 2014 and 15 season to worry about too. 2013 is pretty well set in stone barring an unfoseen improvement by one of the kids.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by cohorn on 3/11/2013 at 2:29 PM

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    Otherwise, McCoy to start the year. Game experience truly is invaluable.

    I agree.

    If healthy, Demarco Cobb should start over Peter Jinkins because of all of his invaluable game experience.

    And while we're at it, Ashton Dorsey should start over Malcom Brown at DT because he has several years more game experience.

    GPie

  • HuttoHorn said...

    Ash

    I see what you did there, Brad.

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