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What do people think about OKC trading "the Beard" to Houston?

  • Good to see this topic got a little play. I think both teams got what they needed. The Thunder got really good value for letting go of Harden early. Jack Ramsey would be proud. I will be keeping an eye on the Rockets a little more with Harden on their roster. Not sure about Lin. I fear he may be a bust.

    sundancekid

  • NLeininger said...

    Durant also fell into his lap. Portland was the team that censored that draft up by taking Oden #1. Presti would have already been fired had Portland taken Durant #1 overall.

    Yes and if Texas had scored 4 more points we would be 7-1

    Ash Can Pass

  • merelonghorn said...

    Harden is a role player...a great one, but a role player nonetheless.

    Role players don't score 37 while grabbing 6 boards and dropping 12 dimes....which is what Harden just did in his first game with his new team.

    Now, it was the Pistons, and it's unlikely that Harden will average that for the season, but....not a role player, homey.

    Signatures are stupid. You should block them.

    JKates

  • How many times since 1985 had someone put up a stat line with at least 37 points, 12 assists, 6 rebounds and 4 steals before Harden did it tonight?

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    Signatures are stupid. You should block them.

    JKates

  • Tommy Beer ‏@TommyBeer
    Harden with his 12th assist. FWIW, Russell Westbrook season high in assists last season was 11...

    maninblack1

  • JKates said...

    Role players don't score 37 while grabbing 6 boards and dropping 12 dimes....which is what Harden just did in his first game with his new team.

    Now, it was the Pistons, and it's unlikely that Harden will average that for the season, but....not a role player, homey.

    He clearly was a role player for the Thunder. Arguing that is silly. I'm not saying he can't be a #1 or #2 for the Rockets, but that was never going to happen with KD and Westbrook on the roster, homey.

    merelonghorn

  • merelonghorn said...

    He clearly was a role player for the Thunder. Arguing that is silly. I'm not saying he can't be a #1 or #2 for the Rockets, but that was never going to happen with KD and Westbrook on the roster, homey.

    What's your definition if a role player? Harden played almost 2000 minutes last season. That's like saying RW and KD were role players too.

    maninblack1

  • maninblack1 said...

    What's your definition if a role player? Harden played almost 2000 minutes last season. That's like saying RW and KD were role players too.

    Good question. I said he was a role player on the Thunder. I don't believe he's a role player on most teams.

    But on the Thunder, the offense did not flow through him, and I think his role on the team is more easily replaced than several of the other players. Maybe I'm completely wrong; we'll see.

    merelonghorn

  • merelonghorn said...

    Good question. I said he was a role player on the Thunder. I don't believe he's a role player on most teams.

    But on the Thunder, the offense did not flow through him, and I think his role on the team is more easily replaced than several of the other players. Maybe I'm completely wrong; we'll see.

    Except the offense did flow through him for a lot of the minutes he played.

    NLeininger

  • 37 points, 12 assists, 4 steals, and a win...so far it looks like a pretty good trade for the Rockets.

    makinfotog

  • maninblack1 said...

    Tommy Beer ‏@TommyBeer Harden with his 12th assist. FWIW, Russell Westbrook season high in assists last season was 11...

    OKC traded the wrong player.

    Sad thing for Durant, is he and Harden probably have the same chance to win a ring - which is close to zero as long as Miami is together.

    National Director of Scouting & Recruiting Analyst @GerryHam247

    Gerry Hamilton ●

  • merelonghorn said...

    Good question. I said he was a role player on the Thunder. I don't believe he's a role player on most teams.

    But on the Thunder, the offense did not flow through him, and I think his role on the team is more easily replaced than several of the other players. Maybe I'm completely wrong; we'll see.

    The offense did flow through early in the game when he lead the second team and in the fourth quarter when they needed someone to distribute in the half court.

    El General

  • Gerry Hamilton said...

    OKC traded the wrong player.

    Sad thing for Durant, is he and Harden probably have the same chance to win a ring - which is close to zero as long as Miami is together.

    Imagine if Presti drafts Joakim Noah instead of Jeff Green and Kevin Love in front of Russell Westbrook...WOW

    This post was edited by maninblack1 on 11/1/2012 at 7:39 AM

    maninblack1

  • Gerry Hamilton said...

    OKC traded the wrong player.

    Sad thing for Durant, is he and Harden probably have the same chance to win a ring - which is close to zero as long as Miami is together.

    Disagree. Heat can be beat. Battier will never shoot like that again and Wade is declining.

    Randy Watson

  • Randy Watson said...

    Disagree. Heat can be beat. Battier will never shoot like that again and Wade is declining.

    This isn't about the Heat. The Heat got better in the offseason. The Thunder got worse from a wins perspective.

    The Thunder gave up about 13 wins or so in this deal. That's going to be really difficult for the remaining roster.

    maninblack1

  • Looking back at the last NBA champions only a few had a PG in the Top 2 in Win Shares, most had a SG in Top 2.

    The only two outliers were the Spurs in 2003 and the Pistons in 2004. Then you have to go all the way back to the Pistons in 89-90.

    Needless to say the smart decision was the one Presti did not make.

    NLeininger

  • maninblack1 said...

    This isn't about the Heat. The Heat got better in the offseason. The Thunder got worse from a wins perspective.

    The Thunder gave up about 13 wins or so in this deal. That's going to be really difficult for the remaining roster.

    We agree. My point was they should have kept Harden and made another run.

    Randy Watson

  • OKC was in a position that they had to trade Harden; but I don't think they received maximum value in return. None of the players are going to help them much this year. The Toronto pick will probably be a low lottery. The Dallas pick is lottery protected.

    The real question is whether OKC traded the right player. Would they have been better served trading Westbrook and keeping Harden. That certainly is Gerry's opinion and apparently NLeininger's. I just haven't watched them enough to have an opinion.

    gordosan

  • Randy Watson said...

    We agree. My point was they should have kept Harden and made another run.

    Oh ok then yes we absolutely agree.

    maninblack1

  • Randy Watson said...

    We agree. My point was they should have kept Harden and made another run.

    Yup. Could have moved Harden after the season.

    Signatures are stupid. You should block them.

    JKates

  • They'd have been better off trading Westbrook for a PG, PF or center and building around Durant, Harden, Ibaka, plus return for Westbrook.

    Or they could have let Ibaka go. He's great at blocking shots out of bounds but Collison is a better man defender and smarter player.

    Randy Watson

  • I don't think the Thunder will lose 14 more games without Harden. Ibaka has enormous upside from where I stand. Chemistry will be key.

    sundancekid

  • sundancekid said...

    I don't think the Thunder will lose 14 more games without Harden. Ibaka has enormous upside from where I stand. Chemistry will be key.

    No they won't. RW and KD will pick up some of the slack but they're going to have to work a shitload harder to win those games. People don't realize the Harden was the best SG in the league last season.

    maninblack1

  • OKC traded away their basketball IQ. Fact.

    This OKC version loses to the Spurs last season. Harden going bonkers in a couple of 4th quarters was the reason they won that.

    OKC f'd up by extending Perkins and especially by giving a one trick pony like Ibaka 12 mil a year at the expense of Harden. Ibaka got abused by Father Time himself last night, and is basically a weak side shot blocker with a on or completely off jumper. That isn't worth 12 mil a year.

    That trade put OKC behind the Spurs in the West and possibly the Lakers. The wild card being if the Lakers will really be as bad as they look with Mike Brown's ridiculously idiotic "Princeton" offense and if Howard/Nash/Kobe show decline this season.

    WeakDefense

  • 45 points on 19 shots for the Beard.

    NLeininger

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