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Tyrone Swoopes

  • I think as a board we should set some ground rules when it comes to discussing Tyrone.

    1) From a size/athletic ability standpoint the kid is a take every year. It is not even a debatable point.
    2) He has very good football instincts, his decision making in the run game is very good and it is improving in the passing game.
    3) He is not Vince Young, it is very unfair to lay that on the kid at this point.
    4) He has not been coached like a quarterback at a 4 or 5A level. Two years of working with Harsin and Applewhite will do wonders for him.
    5) His combination of size/strength/speed will by definition make him very dangerous on draws and zone reads.
    6) Asking if he can play tight end is disrespectful and it borderlines on stupid.

    While he is a highly rated high school player, he is not a ready to start at day 1 player. We need to be patient with him and let the coaches bring him along. Two years of strength and conditioning along with film work and every day fundamental drills can make a huge difference.

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    ut755

  • Totally agree!

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    HookemDTX

  • A 4.77 isn't exactly athletic. I think Brewer and McCoy both ran about a 4.7-4.8. I think he's highly overrated. I think TE is a good longterm position for him. This is a football discussion board. It shouldn't be disrespectful to discuss longterm positions of a player.

    This post was edited by Longhorn in OK on 7/8/2012 at 11:38 PM

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  • Longhorn in OK said...

    A 4.77 isn't exactly athletic. I think Brewer and McCoy both ran about a 4.7-4.8. I think he's highly overrated. I think TE is a good longterm position for him. This is a football discussion board. It should be disrespectful to discuss longterm positions of a player.

    I have read your post for a while now and thoroughly enjoy you most of the time. What I question on these boards is the basis for opinions like "he's highly overrated." I am trying not to come off like a jerk but what basis of expertise do you have for making that comment?

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    ut755

  • It's my opinion. I don't see him as a top QB based on QB abilities. He doesn't throw the ball well. Thats the job of a QB. To throw the ball downfield to WR's. He runs all over 2A kids like I do against my nieces and nephews at Thanksgiving. That doesn't make me a great QB and I don't think his running ability makes him a great QB. I think his size gets him a lot of love. I don't have to be Gerry Hamilton to think a kid is overrated.

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  • I'd like to say evaluating recruits and discussing their limitations isn't "talking sh*t" like BrenhamHorn pointed out in his thread.

    One of the reasons I like this site so much is the mods give you their honest opinions on prospects and don't sugar coat things.

    TXA2009

  • Longhorn in OK said...

    A 4.77 isn't exactly athletic. I think Brewer and McCoy both ran about a 4.7-4.8. I think he's highly overrated. I think TE is a good longterm position for him. This is a football discussion board. It should be disrespectful to discuss longterm positions of a player.

    Swoopes has been at church camp and admitted he has not been able to work out at all and that hurt his 40 time.

    PDX Horn

  • Longhorn in OK said...

    It's my opinion. I don't see him as a top QB based on QB abilities. He doesn't throw the ball well. Thats the job of a QB. To throw the ball downfield to WR's. He runs all over 2A kids like I do against my nieces and nephews at Thanksgiving. That doesn't make me a great QB and I don't think his running ability makes him a great QB. I think his size gets him a lot of love. I don't have to be Gerry Hamilton to think a kid is overrated.

    Have you seen him play in person? Bryan Harsin and Mack Brown have and they like him. Browning Nagle just said, "Tyrone, he’s a physical beast. When he throws it in his slot, I tried to address this a few times with him to where when he stayed in his slot and had that elbow a little higher. I’m not talking the Johnny U elbow, but just have that elbow up with a little separation from his head. When he did that, he threw balls on a dime. What he has a tendency of is, he’ll drop that elbow down and get a little lazy, and that’s usually when he has to wait. That’s just coaching habits where somebody has to be there knocking him, nagging him, driving him to say I’m not going down here anymore. I’m just going to keep it up here and go. He’s a great player I’m sure.”

    I am going back to my original post, Tyrone has his senior year in high school and two years at Texas before they are worried about him competing to get on the field. Comments like can he play tight end are just ignorant. You are dismissing the kid and his work ethic. You are dismissing Bennie Wylie and his ability to get him a little faster and stronger. You are dismissing Bryan Harsin and Major Applewhite and their ability to coach kids up.

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    ut755

  • I don't like a lot of rules set up by some self appointed rulemaker. This is an football board subject to rules of civility and reasonable decorum. I agree inquiring about his tight end potential is a little presumptous and maybe inappropriate, but we don't need a list of rules for posts on Tyronne. The posters on this board will respond to comments they disagree with and will downvote those that are outrageous, ingnorant or classless.
    There was another thread about people hating on Tyronne. What is with all this lame-ass hating crap? Posters commenting on improvements and dedication that Tyronne needs does not translate to hating. It's called reality. My read is that everybody on this board is 100% behind Tyronne, but that does not mean we need to blow smoke up his ass about how awesome he is.

    TexasBlackjack

  • Longhorn in OK said...

    It's my opinion. I don't see him as a top QB based on QB abilities. He doesn't throw the ball well. Thats the job of a QB. To throw the ball downfield to WR's. He runs all over 2A kids like I do against my nieces and nephews at Thanksgiving. That doesn't make me a great QB and I don't think his running ability makes him a great QB. I think his size gets him a lot of love. I don't have to be Gerry Hamilton to think a kid is overrated.

    He threw the ball just fine in 2 of the 3 7 on 7 games at the five star event including 4 long bombs to RSJ for TD's :

    QB Tyrone Swoopes, Whitewright (Texas): Swoopes was on target most of the day and was the victim of a few drops early as he and his receivers began to build chemistry and he got better as the day wore on. His mechanics aren't great, but he does have nice touch and he was on target most of the day. Swoopes isn't a pure passer, but he was better than both Max Browne and Johnathon McCrary as far as consistency throughout the day.

    4. QB TYRONE SWOOPES, WHITEWRIGHT (TEXAS) The five-star quarterback prospect had a solid Day One but was one of the top two passers at the event on Sunday. Swoopes started a bit slow in 7-on-7 and forced a few balls, but he quickly settled down to lead his team to a 2-1 record. He was most impressive in his decision-making as he checked down to his second and third options and continually found Diarse crossing the field. The Texas pledge did a solid job leading his receivers and used good velocity to fit the ball into small windows.

    This post was edited by PDX Horn on 7/7/2012 at 12:20 PM

    PDX Horn

  • ut755 said...

    Have you seen him play in person? Bryan Harsin and Mack Brown have and they like him. Browning Nagle just said, "Tyrone, he’s a physical beast. When he throws it in his slot, I tried to address this a few times with him to where when he stayed in his slot and had that elbow a little higher. I’m not talking the Johnny U elbow, but just have that elbow up with a little separation from his head. When he did that, he threw balls on a dime. What he has a tendency of is, he’ll drop that elbow down and get a little lazy, and that’s usually when he has to wait. That’s just coaching habits where somebody has to be there knocking him, nagging him, driving him to say I’m not going down here anymore. I’m just going to keep it up here and go. He’s a great player I’m sure.”

    I am going back to my original post, Tyrone has his senior year in high school and two years at Texas before they are worried about him competing to get on the field. Comments like can he play tight end are just ignorant. You are dismissing the kid and his work ethic. You are dismissing Bennie Wylie and his ability to get him a little faster and stronger. You are dismissing Bryan Harsin and Major Applewhite and their ability to coach kids up.

    Work ethic? The last interview he had he blamed his poor day 1 performance on "not throwing a football since the season ended". Great QB's are always trying to get better. "He's a great player I'm sure" is laymans for "He didn't play well". Keep defending him. I'll keep opposing you. I'm not dismissing anyone except Swoopes so don't try to play that card man.

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  • Longhorn in OK said...

    A 4.77 isn't exactly athletic. I think Brewer and McCoy both ran about a 4.7-4.8. I think he's highly overrated. I think TE is a good longterm position for him. This is a football discussion board. It should be disrespectful to discuss longterm positions of a player.

    People take these 40 Times way to seriously. So much of running a good 40 is about technique. Often times the difference between a 4.5 and 4.7 is having hood technique, particularly at the start. I wasn't there to see him run so I can't really commenton what happened, but to claim he ' isn't exactly athletic' is an incredibly simple minded point of view. Hell Patrick Peterson ran a 4.65 at one of these combines heading into his senior season, not exactly athletic by your standards either.

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  • pepper11 said...

    People take these 40 Times way to seriously. So much of running a good 40 is about technique. Often times the difference between a 4.5 and 4.7 is having hood technique, particularly at the start. I wasn't there to see him run so I can't really commenton what happened, but to claim he ' isn't exactly athletic' is an incredibly simple minded point of view. Hell Patrick Peterson ran a 4.65 at one of these combines heading into his senior season, not exactly athletic by your standards either.

    True.

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    Longhorn in OK

  • He's not having a good day today either.

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  • This thread has good intentions but is terrible. What's the point if you can't argue a player's position? I'd love to know how well he can catch the ball and if he's a willing and able blocker because he just might not make it as a QB. I think he has QB so ingrained in his mind that it would keep him from becoming a success at another position (like tebow in NFL) so it might not matter, but if Brewer is a hit and the kid from 2014 that the staff takes is better in time than Swoopes then he'll need to provide production somewhere to see the field.

    TexasGirl007

  • TexasGirl007 said...

    This thread has good intentions but is terrible. What's the point if you can't argue a player's position? I'd love to know how well he can catch the ball and if he's a willing and able blocker because he just might not make it as a QB. I think he has QB so ingrained in his mind that it would keep him from becoming a success at another position (like tebow in NFL) so it might not matter, but if Brewer is a hit and the kid from 2014 that the staff takes is better in time than Swoopes then he'll need to provide production somewhere to see the field.

    This.

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  • +1

    LiOK was and is a Team Barrett guy and just sour grapes now IMO.

    This post was edited by HuttoHorn on 7/7/2012 at 2:18 PM

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  • TexasGirl007 said...

    This thread has good intentions but is terrible. What's the point if you can't argue a player's position? I'd love to know how well he can catch the ball and if he's a willing and able blocker because he just might not make it as a QB. I think he has QB so ingrained in his mind that it would keep him from becoming a success at another position (like tebow in NFL) so it might not matter, but if Brewer is a hit and the kid from 2014 that the staff takes is better in time than Swoopes then he'll need to provide production somewhere to see the field.

    The ONLY position that Swoopes will play at UT is QB. Period. So any discussions about him playing TE are pointless.

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    HookemDTX

  • HuttoHorn said...

    +1

    LiOK was and is a Team Barrett guy and just sour grapes now IMO.

    You mean the guy that no one thought was good enough to invite to the Opening?

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    HookemDTX

  • HookemDTX said...

    You mean the guy that no one thought was good enough to invite to the Opening?

    You know this, how?

    WildBill71

  • ut755 said...
    I think as a board we should set some ground rules when it comes to discussing Tyrone.

    6) Asking if he can play tight end is disrespectful and it borderlines on stupid.

    So if or when Overstreet beats him out, would you not want to know if he can play TE? This is TEXAS! The team is more important than anointing someone as a can't fail then not being able to use that player in other positions. I am curious if any of these players can be better at another position. I pay my monthly fee to read and post here. Gerry or Bobby can set the boundaries. You do NOT. It is Not disrespectful to wonder if a player can help at another position.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by UT27am25 on 7/7/2012 at 2:44 PM

    UT27am25

  • Can we also ban anyone that mentions anything about Overstreet switching positions? So disrespectful...

    WildBill71

  • WildBill71 said...

    Can we also ban anyone that mentions anything about Overstreet switching positions? So disrespectful...

    Ditto for Swoopes and RSJ.

    stir

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  • WildBill71 said...

    Can we also ban anyone that mentions anything about Overstreet switching positions? So disrespectful...

    This!

    UT27am25

  • Seems to me there are a lot of people on this board who were so loud in their criticism of our taking Swoopes as the QB in this class that they feel their manhood is now on the line. They do not want him to be a bust per se but they need to be proven right. And that is the same thing. I agree with ut755. He is playing 2A ball. Who knows what he will be after a couple of years of training, film work and good coaching? I don't. But he is a good kid with a ton of natural ability and Harsin wanted him. He is about to become one of us. It is time to accept that and hope for the best.

    This post was edited by Crazy Horn on 7/7/2012 at 3:06 PM

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