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Top 10 and Bottom 5 Horns

  • 10. Joe Bergeron
    Reliable when called upon, including scoring four touchdowns, and made a nice fourth-down conversion after being initially hit one-yard in front of the down marker.

    9. Trey Hopkins
    Hopkins continues to be more consistent than his guard counterpart - Mason Walters.

    8. Marquise Goodwin
    Goodwin's fumble was the Longhorns' lone turnover of the night, but he fought back. He provided a spark in the return game and was the team's second leading receiver, as well as catching the only TD pass of the night.

    7. Jaxon Shipley
    In the past two games, Shipley has returned as David Ash's most reliable target.

    6. Johnathan Gray
    Had the biggest offensive play of the night and ran the wildcat like a vet.

    5. Kenny Vaccaro
    The defense got beat up, but it wasn't Vaccaro who had the issues.

    4. David Ash
    Not nearly the performance of a week prior, but Ash had Texas in a position to win late.

    3. Donald Hawkins
    Has been one of the team's best performers on a weekly basis.

    2. Quandre Diggs
    Consistently strong performer. That's the best way to describe Diggs.

    1. Alex Okafor
    Okafor had the game's two most significant defensive plays, both sack-fumbles.

    The bottom five:
    5. Carrington Byndom - Steadman Bailey, Byndom's assignment, killed the Longhorns in the red zone.

    4. Chris Whaley - Routinely pushed into linebackers or out of play.

    3. Desmond Jackson - Read Whaley.

    2. Adrian Phillips - Poor instincts at deep safety.

    1. Dominic Espinosa - Dribbled one snap and misfired another on the game's key play. Texas never controlled the middle of scrimmage.

    This post was edited by BobbyBurton on 10/9/2012 at 10:51 AM

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    Chris Whaley - Routinely pushed into linebackers or out of play.

    Desmond Jackson - Read Whaley.

    I remember reading during spring or fall practices that Bo Davis wanted every defensive tackle to bench over 400 lbs. So far this year (at least against bigger offensive lineman) it looks like they need to start working on their lower body strength and explosive leverage.

    rlo630

  • Not sure how Cobbs is not on the Bottom 5 list. Close to zero production, missed tackles, missed assignments. Maybe you left him off because he lost his job to Kendall Thompson.

    3rdGenHorn

  • BobbyBurton said...

    10. Joe Bergeron Reliable when called upon, including scoring four touchdowns, and made a nice fourth-down conversion after being initially hit one-yard in front of the down marker.

    9. Trey Hopkins Hopkins continues to be more consistent than his guard counterpart - Mason Walters.

    8. Marquise Goodwin Goodwin's fumble was the Longhorns' lone turnover of the night, but he fought back. He provided a spark in the return game and was the team's second leading receiver, as well as catching the only TD pass of the night.

    7. Jaxon Shipley In the past two games, Shipley has returned as David Ash's most reliable target.

    6. Johnathan Gray Had the biggest offensive play of the night and ran the wildcat like a vet.

    5. Kenny Vaccaro The defense got beat up, but it wasn't Vaccaro who had the issues.

    4. David Ash Not nearly the performance of a week prior, but Ash had Texas in a position to win late.

    3. Donald Hawkins Has been one of the team's best performers on a weekly basis.

    2. Quandre Diggs Consistently strong performer. That's the best way to describe Diggs.

    1. Alex Okafor Okafor had the game's two most significant defensive plays, both sack-fumbles.

    The bottom five: 5. Carrington Byndom - Steadman Bailey, Byndom's assignment, killed the Longhorns in the red zone.

    4. Chris Whaley - Routinely pushed into linebackers or out of play.

    3. Desmond Jackson - Read Whaley.

    2. Adrian Phillips - Poor instincts at deep safety.

    1. Dominic Espinosa - Dribbled one snap and misfired another on the game's key play. Texas never controlled the middle of scrimmage.

    Great evaluation.

    Bottom five. What's up? Whaley, Jackson, is it coaching? These guys should be much, much better.

    Bevostevo

  • rlo630 said...

    I remember reading during spring or fall practices that Bo Davis wanted every defensive tackle to bench over 400 lbs. So far this year (at least against bigger offensive lineman) it looks like they need to start working on their lower body strength and explosive leverage.

    They do not use their hands well. They let the impact come to them instead of striking with their hands. OL get their hands on their shoulder pads and it's all over.

    3rdGenHorn

  • rlo630 said...

    I remember reading during spring or fall practices that Bo Davis wanted every defensive tackle to bench over 400 lbs. So far this year (at least against bigger offensive lineman) it looks like they need to start working on their lower body strength and explosive leverage.

    Interesting...anyone else remember the criticism of Wylie's teams while he was at Tech? Sounds familiar.

    rosessmellgreat

  • Adrian Phillips is so bad, he's left me praying for another Blake Gideon blackeye

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  • pepper11 said...

    Adrian Phillips is so bad, he's left me praying for another Blake Gideon

    Isn't it ironic that, in absentia, Gideon has become the standard for safety play.

    texaztom

  • It has zero to do with Wylie. It has to do with Jackson and Whaley.

    And just because the DT coach wants everyone benching 400+ does not somehow exclude the DTs for also leg pressing and squatting certain amounts as well.

    I think Jackson and Whaley have serious issues against the run straight up.

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  • 3rdGenHorn said...

    Not sure how Cobbs is not on the Bottom 5 list. Close to zero production, missed tackles, missed assignments. Maybe you left him off because he lost his job to Kendall Thompson.

    I said it last week and I'll say it again this week. I don't think it's the linebackers who are at greatest issue. It's the use of this particular scheme combined with the inability of these DTs to execute.

    Yes, the LBs, all of them, have blown assignments. But reality is the scheme they are playing, given the talents of certain DTs, puts the LBs at a competitive disadvantage comparatively, enough so that I don't feel comfortable giving any of them really poor grades.

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  • 3rdGenHorn said...

    They do not use their hands well. They let the impact come to them instead of striking with their hands. OL get their hands on their shoulder pads and it's all over.

    I agree. I also think they don't keep leverage well because half the time all they are doing is pushing upfield and the linemen are just riding them that way.

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  • I really have a hard time believing Vaccaro is in the top 10 and not a single LB is in the bottom 5.

    RufusWasMyPapaw

  • Bergeron got the 4 tds, and the play calling may not be his fault in the 4th quarter with Texas facing first down on the 12 down 3, but I thought those were a couple of really tentative tries by him in that series, particularly on 1st down when there appeared to be an opening for a significant gain had the back hit the hole quicker. Add the drop of the 1st quarter 4th down pass (which wouldn't have been the easiest catch, I grant you), and I just don't know about him making the top 10 for the game. I readily grant you that he didn't fumble while asked to get the tough last couple of yards in scoring situations, but still. . . 17 carries for 45 yards and a drop on his only targeting in the passing game?

    bierce

  • BobbyBurton said...

    I said it last week and I'll say it again this week. I don't think it's the linebackers who are at greatest issue. It's the use of this particular scheme combined with the inability of these DTs to execute.

    Yes, the LBs, all of them, have blown assignments. But reality is the scheme they are playing, given the talents of certain DTs, puts the LBs at a competitive disadvantage comparatively, enough so that I don't feel comfortable giving any of them really poor grades.

    Fans don't understand that Interior Defensive line play is the key to EVERY DEFENSE.

    When Brandon Moore and Malcolm Brown were in, the Horns got some stops. This was no coincidence.

    Previous DC here at Texas lived and died by the blitz because the state of Texas hasn't produced many interior defensive lineman that are dominant. Besides Lamar Houston (and he was recruited as a FB) and Roy Miller, who in the last ten years has been dominant since Hampton and Rogers?

    Okam wasn't, Rodrique Wright wasn't and the list goes on.

    Yes Manny seems to die by the blitz much more than his previous counterparts, but Muschamp and Chizik all gave up huge rushing days while getting many tackles for losses. The Horns haven't been able to achieve gap control for a very long time and not been able to get penetration without stunting or bitzing in forever.

    Brandon Moore and Malcolm Brown need to see the field as much as possible for Texas to hold their opponents under 400 yards of offense. Whaley, Jackson and Dorsey are only 3rd and long players and not sure they are even that.

    That is the bottomline.

    Willow01

  • OU's Whaley is going to have a field day of we don't improve gap control come this Saturday.

    rlo630

  • It seems like most have forgotten the rep on Jackson. Extremely quick at firing thru a gap, but limited when it came to engaging a blocker and holding ground. this is what I seem to remember. Whaley is an ex rb playing inside extensively for the first time on all downs. these guys should be third down and long rushers. not much more at this time.

    churchill

  • churchill said...

    It seems like most have forgotten the rep on Jackson. Extremely quick at firing thru a gap, but limited when it came to engaging a blocker and holding ground. this is what I seem to remember. Whaley is an ex rb playing inside extensively for the first time on all downs. these guys should be third down and long rushers. not much more at this time.

    Agree.

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    I agree. I also think they don't keep leverage well because half the time all they are doing is pushing upfield and the linemen are just riding them that way.

    Precisely correct. Should be required reading for all. No more 5-techniques masquerading as gap controllers (please), and no more having DTs shoot gaps. Put cement all in DTs shoes so they can't move from their gaps, and then have the 5-techniques come in on passing situations. That will allow our LBs to do some real linebacking.

    This post was edited by Racer X on 10/9/2012 at 1:17 PM

    Racer X

  • Willow01 said...

    Fans don't understand that Interior Defensive line play is the key to EVERY DEFENSE.

    When Brandon Moore and Malcolm Brown were in, the Horns got some stops. This was no coincidence.

    Previous DC here at Texas lived and died by the blitz because the state of Texas hasn't produced many interior defensive lineman that are dominant. Besides Lamar Houston (and he was recruited as a FB) and Roy Miller, who in the last ten years has been dominant since Hampton and Rogers?

    Okam wasn't, Rodrique Wright wasn't and the list goes on.

    Yes Manny seems to die by the blitz much more than his previous counterparts, but Muschamp and Chizik all gave up huge rushing days while getting many tackles for losses. The Horns haven't been able to achieve gap control for a very long time and not been able to get penetration without stunting or bitzing in forever.

    Brandon Moore and Malcolm Brown need to see the field as much as possible for Texas to hold their opponents under 400 yards of offense. Whaley, Jackson and Dorsey are only 3rd and long players and not sure they are even that.

    That is the bottomline.

    You don't need dominant defensive lineman on the interior to play good solid defense. You need solid interior line play. Holding ground. Punching. Steering blockers. As BB said, we're stunting and trying to get upfield too much and OL are just pushing them into where they are already going. Malcom Brown and Moore seem to be the only guys that get close to consistent interior line play. I would put Edmond in the bottom 10 for the first half, but watching the game again, he seem to gain a bit in the second half. The light seemed to come on a little for he and Thompson, but Edmond still traps himself at times. Like a RB he needs a little more patience. I did think he made nice strides though.

    After further review, I think Jeffcoat should replace Vaccaro in that top 10. I initially accused him of getting upfield too much, and losing contain too often. After looking at previous games, as well as WV, it seems more like he's playing his assignment well, and wow, Cobbs or the filling safety is getting wiped out in run assignments. On a couple of plays where I thought he was badly beaten on contain, it was Reggie Wilson. Just watching 'Coat, I think he actually played great in the WV game, which surprised me. Okafor played even better though. They were not the problem, and heck Jeffcoat saved the whole defense a couple of times by squeezing the play down AND making the tackle solo. Solid, fundamental play that probably goes unrecognized outside of scouts and the locker room.

    Looking again, All of the DBs were pretty poor in coverage save Diggs on a few plays. Byndum seems very tentative breaking on the ball, in contrast to how aggressive he was last year when he was just missing vs good receivers. Now he's just late. Phillips is plain taking bad angles and trying to guess on plays. You could see him jump routes a handful of times and overrun the receiver. A safety with decent instincts picks off 2-3 of those passes over the middle..........................as you could see when Thompson was in. Phillips is thinking too much. Perhaps he and Diggs start cross-training for an eventual switch? Vaccaro trailed a lot. I will say even in the run game, he trailed a lot.

    All in all, from a fundamental standpoint, I think the defense is closer than most probably think. The DL picture is probably more clear than its been in a while with Brown stepping up. LBs made some strides I thought when left in position to play. Thompson may have the instincts and patience Phillips doesn't, while we need a more aggressive Byndum. Whether Diaz sees that or not, we shall see. Calling a bad game this week could get UT blown out moreso than other games.

    rantanamo

  • RufusWasMyPapaw said...

    I really have a hard time believing Vaccaro is in the top 10 and not a single LB is in the bottom 5.

    Vaccaro pretty much locked down Tavon Austin, as well as leading the team in tackles if I'm not mistaken. He was definitely top 10 on Saturday.

    WildBill71

  • Willow01 said...

    Fans don't understand that Interior Defensive line play is the key to EVERY DEFENSE.

    When Brandon Moore and Malcolm Brown were in, the Horns got some stops. This was no coincidence.

    Previous DC here at Texas lived and died by the blitz because the state of Texas hasn't produced many interior defensive lineman that are dominant. Besides Lamar Houston (and he was recruited as a FB) and Roy Miller, who in the last ten years has been dominant since Hampton and Rogers?

    Okam wasn't, Rodrique Wright wasn't and the list goes on.

    Yes Manny seems to die by the blitz much more than his previous counterparts, but Muschamp and Chizik all gave up huge rushing days while getting many tackles for losses. The Horns haven't been able to achieve gap control for a very long time and not been able to get penetration without stunting or bitzing in forever.

    Brandon Moore and Malcolm Brown need to see the field as much as possible for Texas to hold their opponents under 400 yards of offense. Whaley, Jackson and Dorsey are only 3rd and long players and not sure they are even that.

    That is the bottomline.

    False.

    Newy25

  • Willow01 said...

    Fans don't understand that Interior Defensive line play is the key to EVERY DEFENSE.

    When Brandon Moore and Malcolm Brown were in, the Horns got some stops. This was no coincidence.

    Previous DC here at Texas lived and died by the blitz because the state of Texas hasn't produced many interior defensive lineman that are dominant. Besides Lamar Houston (and he was recruited as a FB) and Roy Miller, who in the last ten years has been dominant since Hampton and Rogers?

    Okam wasn't, Rodrique Wright wasn't and the list goes on.

    Yes Manny seems to die by the blitz much more than his previous counterparts, but Muschamp and Chizik all gave up huge rushing days while getting many tackles for losses. The Horns haven't been able to achieve gap control for a very long time and not been able to get penetration without stunting or bitzing in forever.

    Brandon Moore and Malcolm Brown need to see the field as much as possible for Texas to hold their opponents under 400 yards of offense. Whaley, Jackson and Dorsey are only 3rd and long players and not sure they are even that.

    That is the bottomline.

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  • texaztom said...

    Isn't it ironic that, in absentia, Gideon has become the standard for safety play.

    gideon will never be the standard for safety play. try jerry gray, earl thomas, chris carter or stanley richard for that honor...

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    I agree. I also think they don't keep leverage well because half the time all they are doing is pushing upfield and the linemen are just riding them that way.

    So is Davis to blame?

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  • I would like to see the Joe B that was allegedly "trucking" people in the spring and fall.
    So far, I can't recall him really blasting anyone on the other team yet.

    I still remember Ced Benson as a frosh delivering the wood straight up, but as he got older on campus, the collisions got less from him and more from the defender.

    2 cents.

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