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  • Hornge Crush said...

    And Kendrick Perkins is the C on the team with the best record in the NBA, so is he elite?

    KD and Brooks have dug themselves a hole all year in trying to placate RW, when they should have simply explained what is actually needed out of the position.

    RW style doesn't really translate to many points for KD. Most of those assists come from Westbrook dribbling at the top of the key and then dishing to KD when he finishes running off of multiple screens

    RWs style doesn't lead to many points for KD? You mean the 3x scoring champ KD? All with RW as his PG. The same KD who if he stays healthy can make a run at the all time scoring mark?

    This post was edited by COACH CUTLIP on 6/15/2012 at 1:14 PM

    COACH CUTLIP

  • Look at the context I gave you. KD's scoring is a function of him running off of screens, not of RW driving and dishing. Sure, everyone once in a while you get a lob inside, but most of it is RW standing still dribbling waiting for Durant to shake a defender. What pg couldn't get KD the ball in that set??

    RW is fantastic at driving the lane, the problem is that usually only leads to his own shot. If he was a sg, we'd say he was great at getting his own shot. But his a pg, and all of what he does should be of function of getting his teammates shots. Watch KD's assists. They are almost always a function of him making a move, drawing the defense and getting a teammate a clean look.

    Again, 1 shot for KD in the 2nd quarter of game one (when KD was 4 of 6 in the 1st quarter). Game 2, KD goes 4 for 4 in the 3rd, and his first offensive touch in the 4th comes after the 9 minute mark.

    Nobody is saying RW isn't athletic, and isn't dynamic in the lane. We are saying he lacks some fundamental pg skills.

    Hornge Crush

  • Hornge Crush said...

    Look at the context I gave you. KD's scoring is a function of him running off of screens, not of RW driving and dishing. Sure, everyone once in a while you get a lob inside, but most of it is RW standing still dribbling waiting for Durant to shake a defender. What pg couldn't get KD the ball in that set??

    RW is fantastic at driving the lane, the problem is that usually only leads to his own shot. If he was a sg, we'd say he was great at getting his own shot. But his a pg, and all of what he does should be of function of getting his teammates shots. Watch KD's assists. They are almost always a function of him making a move, drawing the defense and getting a teammate a clean look.

    Again, 1 shot for KD in the 2nd quarter of game one (when KD was 4 of 6 in the 1st quarter). Game 2, KD goes 4 for 4 in the 3rd, and his first offensive touch in the 4th comes after the 9 minute mark.

    Nobody is saying RW isn't athletic, and isn't dynamic in the lane. We are saying he lacks some fundamental pg skills.

    He has really bad court awareness as well. His 2 4Q TOs were crushing, and came due to his poor court awareness. After watching the last 8 Thunder games, I would also say that he's really bad at leading the fast break as well. Too many times his decisions are late which allows the defender time to get back into the play, turning what should be an easy attempt into a challenged one.

    You put a real PG on this team and watch Durant, Harden, and Ibaka's scoring average all go up by 5+ points per game.

    NLeininger

  • I don't necessarily think RW should be traded. He is a really good player bordering on great but his game management must get better. That's what the Thunder must evaluate.

    Is the RW of 2012 going to be the RW of 2016? I don't know what the answer to that is but I wouldn't say he's untouchable if the right deal was on the table.

    maninblack1

  • Agreed. His awareness needs to get better. I believe he's taken huge steps since last years playoffs and believe he will continue to get better. I keep bringing this up but he's only played PG for 4 years and is already one of the top3 in the league. He's a matchup nightmare who in the first 2 games of the biggest series of his career he's averaging 27-8-9. All while playing with a bad thumb. Look at those numbers. They're outstanding. I really feel like the Anti-Westbrook crowd is picking nits.

    COACH CUTLIP

  • COACH CUTLIP said...

    Agreed. His awareness needs to get better. I believe he's taken huge steps since last years playoffs and believe he will continue to get better. I keep bringing this up but he's only played PG for 4 years and is already one of the top3 in the league. He's a matchup nightmare who in the first 2 games of the biggest series of his career he's averaging 27-8-9. All while playing with a bad thumb. Look at those numbers. They're outstanding. I really feel like the Anti-Westbrook crowd is picking nits.

    No mention of his 50 shots, most of which are horrible decisions to get his 54 points? Meanwhile you have this guy named Durant who has scored 68 points on 44 shots.

    NLeininger

  • Deep Red said...

    Of course he needs to shoot better. We say that about every player. Harden needed to shoot better and he did. Wade needed to shoot better than game one and he did.

    This is the Finals, they aren't playing the Nets. The Heat have a little something to say about how Weatbrook plays.

    You didn't look at Gerry's breakdown, he has done this during all the playoff series.

    Jordan91

  • Deep Red said...

    No I wasn't responding to you.

    The only thing wrong with RW first half last night was that about 4 of his 10 shots didn't go in. They were the same shots he always shoots. He rimmed out a couple of drive layups, missed two wide open mid range shots, and missed one open 3 that I remember. I remember 2 or 3 poor shot choices.

    If you've watched the whole season, you know that he plays that way every game. Just like he did in both 2nd halves when they fell and were key. . Both first halves his shot wasn't falling. It happens.

    You are missing the issue with Westbrook's game. It wasn't a matter that he missed shots that he can occasionally make; it was an issue that he was forcing shots without looking outside of any set offense without looking to involve any team-mates. He was jacking up forced shots early in the shot clock without ever looking to pass. He was 2-10 for the half [both off of assists from team-mates], with only one assist. That's a horrible stat line that destroys any idea of a team offense. In the first game; he came out forcing action, but looking to involve his team-mates. Last night he was purely looking to score.

    On the whole though, OKC should feel pretty good at this point. Westbrook played one of the worst first half's in NBA history and Durant was in early foul trouble and sat most of the half and was a non-factor; but the Thunder was still capable of clawing back into the game and had a chance to steal it at the end. Durant is winning the super-star match-up with James. Westbrook took game one against Wade; Wade evened it in game two. The OKC is clearly better at center with the triple head rotation of Perkins, Ibaka and Collison; while Miami has Bosh as its only legitimate interior player. Battier is giving the Heat a lot more than Sefolosha is giving the Thunder; but the OKC is completely out-playing the Miami bench. If Westbrook can avoid another complete melt-down; OKC should win the series.

    gordosan

  • Westbrook was 5th in the league in scorIng. His team has the best record and will win the championship. On top of that, KD has led the league in scoring 3 years with Westbrook as the PG.

    As far as KDs point total going up 5 pts with a different PG, that's laughable. He's going to average 32-33 ppg game? Funny stuff.

    You haters don't even account for what pressure RW puts on a defense. I bet if you had a round table of NBA coaches and brought up the RW is not a PG speech to them they would laugh you out of the room.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Deep Red on 6/15/2012 at 10:09 PM

    Deep Red

  • Just out of curiosity, what part of the first half last night did you miss? Magic rarely says that he just watched the worst half from a point guard that he's ever seen. But he was 5th in the league in scoring and plays with the greatest player on the planet. He doesn't make him any better; but Durant doesn't need much help. And yes, if Westbrook can avoiding completely soiling the court with a big turd like he did in the first half last night; the Thunder have a great chance to win a championship.

    gordosan

  • gordosan said...

    Just out of curiosity, what part of the first half last night did you miss? Magic rarely says that he just watched the worst half from a point guard that he's ever seen. But he was 5th in the league in scoring and plays with the greatest player on the planet. He doesn't make him any better; but Durant doesn't need much help. And yes, if Westbrook can avoiding completely soiling the court with a big turd like he did in the first half last night; the Thunder have a great chance to win a championship.

    2nd greatest player on the planet

    COACH CUTLIP

  • gordosan said...

    Just out of curiosity, what part of the first half last night did you miss? Magic rarely says that he just watched the worst half from a point guard that he's ever seen. But he was 5th in the league in scoring and plays with the greatest player on the planet. He doesn't make him any better; but Durant doesn't need much help. And yes, if Westbrook can avoiding completely soiling the court with a big turd like he did in the first half last night; the Thunder have a great chance to win a championship.

    You must be new to the NBA and never saw a star player have a bad half of basketball.

    Deep Red

  • maninblack1 said...

    Magic Johnson even said at halftime that RW's performance was the worst he had ever seen a PG play in NBA finals history.

    I don't think discussing the RW trade stuff is productive anymore but the bottomline is he's not playing well in the playoffs. If he improves on his decision making and assist-to-TO ratio than he could be extremely dynamic. However, he's overrated right now probably b/c people are in love with his athleticism.

    Come on, Magic Johnson is just a bad evaluator. Don't let the truth about a selfish player with an "Im the man" mentality at PG get in the way of bad evaluating.

    National Director of Scouting & Recruiting Analyst @GerryHam247

    Gerry Hamilton

  • Gerry Hamilton said...

    Come on, Magic Johnson is just a bad evaluator. Don't let the truth about a selfish player with an "Im the man" mentality at PG get in the way of bad evaluating.

    It depends on what you want out of your PG. thank goodness Brooks wants himto score or there wouldn't be any championship for OKC.

    Deep Red

  • bump for game 3

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    Canadianhorn

  • only down by a reasonable amount at half time. KD doing work. Battier still pissing me off

    driftwoodHorn

  • get buckets?

    driftwoodHorn

  • Tough to watch this game.
    Just 1 v 1 jack it up and pray left and right.

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    clacknasty

  • Miami has definitely been gifted by the refs tonight.

    sundancekid

  • sundancekid said...

    Miami has definitely been gifted by the refs tonight.

    OKC wouldn't be in finals without refs so shut up

    DualThreatQB

  • DualThreatQB said...

    OKC wouldn't be in finals without refs so shut up

    If you want to disagree, fine. Stop being a prick about it.

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    Bandit18

  • DualThreatQB said...

    OKC wouldn't be in finals without refs so shut up

    Pure genius.

    Goo

  • DualThreatQB said...

    OKC wouldn't be in finals without refs so shut up

    Says the butt hurt spurs fan

    driftwoodHorn

  • DualThreatQB said...

    OKC wouldn't be in finals without refs so shut up

    What can I say to this response that hasn't been said, or thought, already. I feel sorry for you.

    sundancekid

  • sundancekid said...

    What can I say to this response that hasn't been said, or thought, already. I feel sorry for you.

    What in the world is that guy talking about? Nobody makes it to the NBA finals because of the Refs. I am finding it harder and harder to watch a full game with RW in there. And what is he doing taking that last three? Durant is the closer not him. He is a volume shooter which means he throws as many shots as he can up there and hopes few go in. Coach really made some bad choices as well. I am not going to blame him though, I actually like him and it is his first time in the finals, mistakes happen.

    Jordan91