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  • But I think it's a legitimate question that reflects badly on someone, so I'd like the opinion of those who might know...

    From the most recent Locker Room, The Texas Fan #1 asks Geoff how much influence Mack Brown has over the offense. Geoff replies:

    A: Mack Brown is an old offensive coach that has throughout the term of his UT tenure spent considerably more time with the offense than the defense. Nothing has happened on that side of the ball without his say so. His fingerprints are on everything.

    Over at Hookem247 Bobby Burton is asked how much influence Mack has over the offensive gameplanning. Burton replies:

    A: I don't think Mack has much to do with game plans at all. From a tinkering perspective on offensive game plans as compared to other HCs, it is near zero. That is my understanding from multiple sources over multiple years.

    Hmmm... Who is making stuff up here?

    Jon Snow

  • There is no question who makes up stuff, and who has real sources.

    One guy made millions, the other is a really bad radio personality.

    NLeininger

  • Jon Snow said...

    But I think it's a legitimate question that reflects badly on someone, so I'd like the opinion of those who might know...

    From the most recent Locker Room, The Texas Fan #1 asks Geoff how much influence Mack Brown has over the offense. Geoff replies:

    A: Mack Brown is an old offensive coach that has throughout the term of his UT tenure spent considerably more time with the offense than the defense. Nothing has happened on that side of the ball without his say so. His fingerprints are on everything.

    Over at Hookem247 Bobby Burton is asked how much influence Mack has over the offensive gameplanning. Burton replies:

    A: I don't think Mack has much to do with game plans at all. From a tinkering perspective on offensive game plans as compared to other HCs, it is near zero. That is my understanding from multiple sources over multiple years.

    Hmmm... Who is making stuff up here?

    Not me.

    While Mack is an old offensive coach, his fingerprints aren't all over the offense.

    However, he has influence over what he chooses to have influence over. He historically has chosen not to have much influence on either side of the ball and allowed his coaches to do their jobs.

    Follow on Twitter: http://twitter.com/BobbyBurton247

    BobbyBurton

  • Without calling anyone out... one site lets you ask the question; the other sweeps it under the rug.

    groly

  • NLeininger said...

    There is no question who makes up stuff, and who has real sources.

    One guy made millions, the other is a really bad radio personality.

    +1

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

    austinr

  • Thanks for the reply, Bobby. And I agree that this site is distinguished by its frank, free and open discussion.

    Jon Snow

  • Ketch makes up his answers to questions and he makes up actual posters. How many posters are actually Ketch on that site. I would bet it's greater than 10. No one gives less effort in this business than Ketch unless you count poker games as effort.

    textex

  • BobbyBurton said...

    He historically has chosen not to have much influence on either side of the ball and allowed his coaches to do their jobs.

    I wish he would stay out of the evaluation business.

    maninblack1

  • textex said...

    Ketch makes up his answers to questions and he makes up actual posters. How many posters are actually Ketch on that site. I would bet it's greater than 10. No one gives less effort in this business than Ketch unless you count poker games as effort.

    tex that is very interesting............I've always thought he was more sizzle than substance. However Chip Brown is worth reading.......

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

    austinr

  • austinr said...

    ......I've always thought he was more sizzle than substance. .....

    Dude, I'm insulted....

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  • textex said...

    Ketch makes up his answers to questions and he makes up actual posters. How many posters are actually Ketch on that site. I would bet it's greater than 10. No one gives less effort in this business than Ketch unless you count poker games as effort.

    What makes you think Ketch makes up posters? What would be the point in that....he has somewhere around 10 thousand posters. Not arguing or disagreeing with you, I'm just curious why you feel that way.

    Mars512

  • Mars512 said...

    What makes you think Ketch makes up posters? What would be the point in that....he has somewhere around 10 thousand posters. Not arguing or disagreeing with you, I'm just curious why you feel that way.

    It's a known fact. He does it to pass along sensationalized "insider info" to get his readership all fired up.

    RichUT

  • Mars512 said...

    What makes you think Ketch makes up posters? What would be the point in that....he has somewhere around 10 thousand posters. Not arguing or disagreeing with you, I'm just curious why you feel that way.

    He's admitted it in the past. One of his screen names got outed, but he has others.

    Signatures are stupid. You should block them.

    JKates

  • I joined here because this site's proprietors are trying to build something from scratch, which means the effort to work sources and provide valuable information has to be top notch or it will fall on its face. I'm happy with that decision so far. The other site no longer feels the need to prove itself and has gotten fat and lazy, figuratively speaking. I do think Chip Brown is an exception to that, but almost everything else over there is superficial and the kind of stuff any layman could regurgitate into a badly written article that ultimately provides no insight whatsoever.

    CS

  • CS, I took the hiring of Chip Brown to mean, "I'm done with hustling because I'm a local radio personality now."

    Signatures are stupid. You should block them.

    JKates

  • JKates said...

    CS, I took the hiring of Chip Brown to mean, "I'm done with hustling because I'm a local radio personality now."

    To be fair, I would probably do the same thing in his position, but I would drop the pretense that I have any actual sources or insight into the program. Everything I hear or read from him feels like a half-baked opinion based nothing more than watching the games on television and attending the weekly press conference. Not that there's anything wrong with that; hell, that's basically what all of us average Joes do. But don't try to sell me that as some kind of erudite, inside knowledge of the program. Maybe he used to provide that, but it certainly hasn't been the case over the last few years.

    Brown is still a reporter, and the difference is obvious. Over here, you can tell that the guys have real sources and/or are out on the recruiting beat doing actual evals and not the bogus type of "Here's what I think based on two minutes of mailed highlights" crap.

    CS

  • Yes, it is a known fact that ketch has multiple aliases and uses them to create interest

    Sancho

  • CS said...

    Over here, you can tell that the guys have real sources and/or are out on the recruiting beat doing actual evals and not the bogus type of "Here's what I think based on two minutes of mailed highlights" crap.

    +1

    groly

  • Chip is a mouthpiece for Belmont, this was painfully obvious during the summer. Other than that, he's a news paper guy that provides nothing it terms of game analysis or recruiting.

    That said, he is a talented writer, but I don't miss his work at all.

    This post was edited by NLeininger on 11/20/2010 at 6:46 PM

    NLeininger

  • I'm done with OB. My sub runs out on April 27th and will not be renewed. Good posts get drowned out over there by the cheer leading squad and it gets old.

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  • Guys,

    This is not an "Us vs Them" kind of thing.

    I think our info, sources and recruiting coverage are doing fine and will do fine over the long haul. It will stand the test of time.

    But I also want to say that we (Gerry, Jeff and myself) appreciate the nice words you guys have for us.

    We're definitely trying our best to put out a quality product.

    Follow on Twitter: http://twitter.com/BobbyBurton247

    BobbyBurton

  • BobbyBurton said...

    Guys,

    This is not an "Us vs Them" kind of thing.

    I think our info, sources and recruiting coverage are doing fine and will do fine over the long haul. It will stand the test of time.

    But I also want to say that we (Gerry, Jeff and myself) appreciate the nice words you guys have for us.

    We're definitely trying our best to put out a quality product.

    Bobby,

    I just want to say that I enjoy everything you bring to this site. Your insight and knowledge are so ahead of the rest of the game.

    This site easily has the best bang for the buck, and your crew which include Cumro as well, really brings a total coverage of UT sports and Texas recruiting that no site is even close to. I look forward to this site growing, and to hopefully adding a baseball guy to help during the baseball season.

    NLeininger

  • BobbyBurton said...

    Guys,

    This is not an "Us vs Them" kind of thing.

    I think our info, sources and recruiting coverage are doing fine and will do fine over the long haul. It will stand the test of time.

    But I also want to say that we (Gerry, Jeff and myself) appreciate the nice words you guys have for us.

    We're definitely trying our best to put out a quality product.

    Is there an email address we can drop suggestions at?

    This post was edited by groly on 11/20/2010 at 7:30 PM

    groly

  • The board here is so much better, but Chip is the man and is the reason I check out OB

    VinceYoung

  • Ketch banned me for questioning his staff's credentials. tread lightly.....

    Endust