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  • I'm surprised by the number of friends (both UT and A&M exes) who've expressed to me disappointment at the end of the relationship. Mostly these remarks are coming from Aggies but a surprising number of them are coming from UT exes. Personally I think the relationship had become malignant and its end was long overdue. I also suspect that there are a lot of hard feelings on the part of Powers and Dodds about how the end came to pass. Do you think this issue will be revisited when Powers and Dodds retire or is the distaste so deep that it may be several decades before the two schools compete again?

    Mods, what are you able to say about the seeming animus within Belmont over this subject? Given the way it all came down I'd be inclined to harbor hard feelings as well, and to hold them for a long, long time.

    mchief

  • mchief said...

    I'm surprised by the number of friends (both UT and A&M exes) who've expressed to me disappointment at the end of the relationship. Mostly these remarks are coming from Aggies but a surprising number of them are coming from UT exes. Personally I think the relationship had become malignant and its end was long overdue. I also suspect that there are a lot of hard feelings on the part of Powers and Dodds about how the end came to pass. Do you think this issue will be revisited when Powers and Dodds retire or is the distaste so deep that it may be several decades before the two schools compete again?

    Mods, what are you able to say about the seeming animus within Belmont over this subject? Given the way it all came down I'd be inclined to harbor hard feelings as well, and to hold them for a long, long time.

    Don't believe for a minute this is an emotional decision by Belmont. For now any benefit to UT is greatly outweighed by the detrimental effect it would have on recruiting.

    They are not, not playing A&M because they are mad . . . they are not playing them because it would be bad for UT.

    There will come a point in the future where that balance changes and we will play them again, but it wont be marked by who is in power but rather other market items.

    Hornoflatulence

  • I don't give a sh*t if we ever play them again. The dumbassery is so strong with that cult, I don't even talk to them anymore.

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  • Quit with all of the aggy posts and. Focus on the competition - blOU. Its 7pm and OU still sucks! Whip them tonight Connor & Lexi.

    zquippy

  • Texas is not playing A&M because they broke a business contract in the worst possible way and deliberately tried to damage Texas by doing so. In 2010, (when the Big XII was about to implode after it's meetings in Dallas when Nebraska refused to committ to staying in the Big XII), Texas put together a proposal for 6 members of the Big XII to join the Pac-10 and form a 16-team super conference that would not only bring in dollars beyond all schools wildest dreams, but would also preserve all rivalries, keep regional nature of the conference, create a conference that would control all TV sets west of the Mississippi, and would control 2 of the 3 biggest recruiting territories in the country (Texas and California). Further, with the leading edge media thought leadership of Larry Scott and Kevin Weiberg, they would all equally OWN their own third tier regional network.

    Instead, A&M Regents played footsy with the SEC and scuttled the possibility of the Pac-16. So, Texas went to bat with the Big XII's TV partners and put together a deal to keep the Big XII viable (with Mizzou and A&M) in tow, and guaranteed A&M a special status within the "new" Big XII by giving them a $20MM guarantee in annual TV revenues. This great deal for A&M was cemented in April 2011 when the Big XII signed a new 13-year cable deal with Fox. At this point, Texas had bent over backward to address A&M's concerns and even guranteed them a financial advantage going forward in the Big XII. A&M was one of the 10 signers of this $1.2 BILLION dollar contract. Again, this was April, 2011.

    So, what happened 4 months later? A&M broke the $1.2B contract, left the Big XII for the SEC, and INTENTIONALLY precipitated a chain of events that put Texas at risk - such as OU asking for an offer from the Pac-12, ESPN trying to find Texas a landing spot in the ACC, and forcing Texas to actually contemplate going independent. NOT ONE of those situations comes about if A&M hadn't reneged on the 4-month-old, $1.2 billion contract. None of it.

    Finally, once the dust settled with OU being turned down by the pac-12, and Texas publicly stating that we would insure the Big XII's survival, A&M tried to get the SEC to make TCU the 14th team so that the SEC would have a greater recruiting presence in Texas. Now, it's conjecture to say that the SEC would've actually offered TCU, but the point is that A&M was pushing it....simply to harm the Big XII and specifically Texas.

    THAT is why we won't being playing A&M in anything if Powers & Dodds have anything to say about it. A&M intentionally and with malice (or jealousy) tried to bring harm to Texas and the Big XII, as well as jeopardizing our $1.2 billion contract with Fox. No way we EVER should do a business deal with these guys again. No reason to trust those cockroaches, and certainly no reason to help them.

    Racer X

  • I have enjoyed the rivalry since the early 60's. I can truly say that come this Thanksgiving it will feel strange like something is out of place or missing. That being said Texas has nothing to gain by ever playing them again. We hold the series margin by almost 2 to 1 and we won the last meeting @ their house leaving them an eternity of bad taste in their mouth. Why give them a chance to wash that taste away with a win? No matter where they go {sec) there they are. Once an aggroid always an agroid. They have gone from somewhat immaterial to totally insignificant in the Texas scheme of things and I see no benefit for Texas in reopening the series. As a matter of fact I think they should remove the Texas from the Texas A&M and just be A&M as they are going to be a bigger embarrassment in the SEC than they were in the Big 12.

    texaz135

  • Racer X said...

    Texas is not playing A&M because they broke a business contract in the worst possible way and deliberately tried to damage Texas by doing so. In 2010, (when the Big XII was about to implode after it's meetings in Dallas when Nebraska refused to committ to staying in the Big XII), Texas put together a proposal for 6 members of the Big XII to join the Pac-10 and form a 16-team super conference that would not only bring in dollars beyond all schools wildest dreams, but would also preserve all rivalries, keep regional nature of the conference, create a conference that would control all TV sets west of the Mississippi, and would control 2 of the 3 biggest recruiting territories in the country (Texas and California). Further, with the leading edge media thought leadership of Larry Scott and Kevin Weiberg, they would all equally OWN their own third tier regional network.

    Instead, A&M Regents played footsy with the SEC and scuttled the possibility of the Pac-16. So, Texas went to bat with the Big XII's TV partners and put together a deal to keep the Big XII viable (with Mizzou and A&M) in tow, and guaranteed A&M a special status within the "new" Big XII by giving them a $20MM guarantee in annual TV revenues. This great deal for A&M was cemented in April 2011 when the Big XII signed a new 13-year cable deal with Fox. At this point, Texas had bent over backward to address A&M's concerns and even guranteed them a financial advantage going forward in the Big XII. A&M was one of the 10 signers of this $1.2 BILLION dollar contract. Again, this was April, 2011.

    So, what happened 4 months later? A&M broke the $1.2B contract, left the Big XII for the SEC, and INTENTIONALLY precipitated a chain of events that put Texas at risk - such as OU asking for an offer from the Pac-12, ESPN trying to find Texas a landing spot in the ACC, and forcing Texas to actually contemplate going independent. NOT ONE of those situations comes about if A&M hadn't reneged on the 4-month-old, $1.2 billion contract. None of it.

    Finally, once the dust settled with OU being turned down by the pac-12, and Texas publicly stating that we would insure the Big XII's survival, A&M tried to get the SEC to make TCU the 14th team so that the SEC would have a greater recruiting presence in Texas. Now, it's conjecture to say that the SEC would've actually offered TCU, but the point is that A&M was pushing it....simply to harm the Big XII and specifically Texas.

    THAT is why we won't being playing A&M in anything if Powers & Dodds have anything to say about it. A&M intentionally and with malice (or jealousy) tried to bring harm to Texas and the Big XII, as well as jeopardizing our $1.2 billion contract with Fox. No way we EVER should do a business deal with these guys again. No reason to trust those cockroaches, and certainly no reason to help them.

    Excellent and concise summary. We are well off to be rid of them for the generalized dumassery that aggy represents. The malicious attempts to actually harm Texas while they were on they way out the door is the reason we should not play them in the short or long term. I wish them well as the new doormat of the SEC West.

    dweavernc

  • Well Said!

    HornsUp1

  • Why is A&M still being mentioned? Record on the field and recruiting shows how little brother was never in our league. flex

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  • And now literally they aren't in our league.

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  • Racer X said...

    Texas is not playing A&M because they broke a business contract in the worst possible way and deliberately tried to damage Texas by doing so. In 2010, (when the Big XII was about to implode after it's meetings in Dallas when Nebraska refused to committ to staying in the Big XII), Texas put together a proposal for 6 members of the Big XII to join the Pac-10 and form a 16-team super conference that would not only bring in dollars beyond all schools wildest dreams, but would also preserve all rivalries, keep regional nature of the conference, create a conference that would control all TV sets west of the Mississippi, and would control 2 of the 3 biggest recruiting territories in the country (Texas and California). Further, with the leading edge media thought leadership of Larry Scott and Kevin Weiberg, they would all equally OWN their own third tier regional network.

    Instead, A&M Regents played footsy with the SEC and scuttled the possibility of the Pac-16. So, Texas went to bat with the Big XII's TV partners and put together a deal to keep the Big XII viable (with Mizzou and A&M) in tow, and guaranteed A&M a special status within the "new" Big XII by giving them a $20MM guarantee in annual TV revenues. This great deal for A&M was cemented in April 2011 when the Big XII signed a new 13-year cable deal with Fox. At this point, Texas had bent over backward to address A&M's concerns and even guranteed them a financial advantage going forward in the Big XII. A&M was one of the 10 signers of this $1.2 BILLION dollar contract. Again, this was April, 2011.

    So, what happened 4 months later? A&M broke the $1.2B contract, left the Big XII for the SEC, and INTENTIONALLY precipitated a chain of events that put Texas at risk - such as OU asking for an offer from the Pac-12, ESPN trying to find Texas a landing spot in the ACC, and forcing Texas to actually contemplate going independent. NOT ONE of those situations comes about if A&M hadn't reneged on the 4-month-old, $1.2 billion contract. None of it.

    Finally, once the dust settled with OU being turned down by the pac-12, and Texas publicly stating that we would insure the Big XII's survival, A&M tried to get the SEC to make TCU the 14th team so that the SEC would have a greater recruiting presence in Texas. Now, it's conjecture to say that the SEC would've actually offered TCU, but the point is that A&M was pushing it....simply to harm the Big XII and specifically Texas.

    THAT is why we won't being playing A&M in anything if Powers & Dodds have anything to say about it. A&M intentionally and with malice (or jealousy) tried to bring harm to Texas and the Big XII, as well as jeopardizing our $1.2 billion contract with Fox. No way we EVER should do a business deal with these guys again. No reason to trust those cockroaches, and certainly no reason to help them.

    Very well said and I agree with everything. But one thing I would say is Powers and Dodds had to know full well in '10 that, just like we would never join the SEC, that there was no way tamu would ever join up with the PAC. culturally that was just NEVER going to happen.

    I am one of those that at some level will miss the rivalry that lasted over 100 years and transcended more than just the football field. but having said that, i agree that the blatant attempt by tamu to hurt the B12 and more importantly us really is so sickening that if we play them again in any sport it will be very upsetting.

    Troon74

  • I'll take "Over and Done" for $2000

    The answer is: "The future for UT-A&M"

    What is "Non-existant"?

    Ding Ding Ding!!!!!

    Someone give me my prize.

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  • Only if the NCAA had MMA so we can put a whooping to those closet case male cheer leaders! hammer

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  • texaz135 said...

    I have enjoyed the rivalry since the early 60's. I can truly say that come this Thanksgiving it will feel strange like something is out of place or missing. That being said Texas has nothing to gain by ever playing them again. We hold the series margin by almost 2 to 1 and we won the last meeting @ their house leaving them an eternity of bad taste in their mouth. Why give them a chance to wash that taste away with a win? No matter where they go {sec) there they are. Once an aggroid always an agroid. They have gone from somewhat immaterial to totally insignificant in the Texas scheme of things and I see no benefit for Texas in reopening the series. As a matter of fact I think they should remove the Texas from the Texas A&M and just be A&M as they are going to be a bigger embarrassment in the SEC than they were in the Big 12.

    Thanks for the concise sa it can be. There are even more factors, but these highlight the base core for everyone. People who miss them will miss some of the good natured side of it and especially the lifetimes of having a rivalry game on Thanksgiving or Thanksgiving weekend.

    I just got to the point where I really didn't care to hear about them b/c it was never a positive, it was tiresome. Even when I tried to have conversations with them...it was the same old thing.

    When I was at the Rose Bowl vs USC, their fans were quite a bit cocky, but after trading good natured comments with several of them, they actually would talk about the game and about the teams.

    I had work in LA for the next few days, and unless they were USC Fans (Alums), everyone was thanking us for beating them. It was a glorious time to be a Longhorn, and I was just thankful that we did. I was basking in both the LA sunshine and the fact I witnessed the greatest MNC ever...and my Longhorns Won It All!

    RBIII

  • Racer X said...

    Texas is not playing A&M because they broke a business contract in the worst possible way and deliberately tried to damage Texas by doing so. In 2010, (when the Big XII was about to implode after it's meetings in Dallas when Nebraska refused to committ to staying in the Big XII), Texas put together a proposal for 6 members of the Big XII to join the Pac-10 and form a 16-team super conference that would not only bring in dollars beyond all schools wildest dreams, but would also preserve all rivalries, keep regional nature of the conference, create a conference that would control all TV sets west of the Mississippi, and would control 2 of the 3 biggest recruiting territories in the country (Texas and California). Further, with the leading edge media thought leadership of Larry Scott and Kevin Weiberg, they would all equally OWN their own third tier regional network.

    Instead, A&M Regents played footsy with the SEC and scuttled the possibility of the Pac-16. So, Texas went to bat with the Big XII's TV partners and put together a deal to keep the Big XII viable (with Mizzou and A&M) in tow, and guaranteed A&M a special status within the "new" Big XII by giving them a $20MM guarantee in annual TV revenues. This great deal for A&M was cemented in April 2011 when the Big XII signed a new 13-year cable deal with Fox. At this point, Texas had bent over backward to address A&M's concerns and even guranteed them a financial advantage going forward in the Big XII. A&M was one of the 10 signers of this $1.2 BILLION dollar contract. Again, this was April, 2011.

    So, what happened 4 months later? A&M broke the $1.2B contract, left the Big XII for the SEC, and INTENTIONALLY precipitated a chain of events that put Texas at risk - such as OU asking for an offer from the Pac-12, ESPN trying to find Texas a landing spot in the ACC, and forcing Texas to actually contemplate going independent. NOT ONE of those situations comes about if A&M hadn't reneged on the 4-month-old, $1.2 billion contract. None of it.

    Finally, once the dust settled with OU being turned down by the pac-12, and Texas publicly stating that we would insure the Big XII's survival, A&M tried to get the SEC to make TCU the 14th team so that the SEC would have a greater recruiting presence in Texas. Now, it's conjecture to say that the SEC would've actually offered TCU, but the point is that A&M was pushing it....simply to harm the Big XII and specifically Texas.

    THAT is why we won't being playing A&M in anything if Powers & Dodds have anything to say about it. A&M intentionally and with malice (or jealousy) tried to bring harm to Texas and the Big XII, as well as jeopardizing our $1.2 billion contract with Fox. No way we EVER should do a business deal with these guys again. No reason to trust those cockroaches, and certainly no reason to help them.

    Excellent summary!

    Aside from the unethical way they conducted themselves in this . . . the simple fact is that playing them is a lose-lose proposition. If we beat them, it's no big deal because we're supposed to and they're never good enough for us to benefit from the win. And if we do lose, the juvenile celebrations we have to endure is unbearable.

    So . . . never play the bastards again . . . ever!

    horn14

  • Racer X gave a good summary. IMO, one of the biggest fallouts is the diminishment of the Honor Code in many minds, not just some Texas fans.
    A&M's actions had a potentially harmful effect on Tech and Baylor, as well. This is a little sad for me, because I have lost some respect for some members of the A&M leadership.

    My experiences and friendships are such that most individual Aggies I know are good people, but many of them support this move - based in part on being given information; often with a frenzy that masked the whole truth.

    Even after Dodds and Powers are gone, there will be many Texas, Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma fans who remember what happened and will have a real trust issue for some time. And as said before, it really does not benefit these schools to schedule A&M for quite a while.

    I also don't believe that most Aggies realize that some of their traditions (including old rivalries) are being undermined.

    phil4825445

  • Thank you Racer for that impressive summary. I hope they reap what they have sown.

    Kong

  • zquippy said...

    Quit with all of the aggy posts and. Focus on the competition - blOU. Its 7pm and OU still sucks! Whip them tonight Connor & Lexi.

    Connor? Like Connor Atchley?

    Goo

  • Great post Racer X!

    the hell with them!!

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  • Racer X said...

    Texas is not playing A&M because they broke a business contract in the worst possible way and deliberately tried to damage Texas by doing so. In 2010, (when the Big XII was about to implode after it's meetings in Dallas when Nebraska refused to committ to staying in the Big XII), Texas put together a proposal for 6 members of the Big XII to join the Pac-10 and form a 16-team super conference that would not only bring in dollars beyond all schools wildest dreams, but would also preserve all rivalries, keep regional nature of the conference, create a conference that would control all TV sets west of the Mississippi, and would control 2 of the 3 biggest recruiting territories in the country (Texas and California). Further, with the leading edge media thought leadership of Larry Scott and Kevin Weiberg, they would all equally OWN their own third tier regional network.

    Instead, A&M Regents played footsy with the SEC and scuttled the possibility of the Pac-16. So, Texas went to bat with the Big XII's TV partners and put together a deal to keep the Big XII viable (with Mizzou and A&M) in tow, and guaranteed A&M a special status within the "new" Big XII by giving them a $20MM guarantee in annual TV revenues. This great deal for A&M was cemented in April 2011 when the Big XII signed a new 13-year cable deal with Fox. At this point, Texas had bent over backward to address A&M's concerns and even guranteed them a financial advantage going forward in the Big XII. A&M was one of the 10 signers of this $1.2 BILLION dollar contract. Again, this was April, 2011.

    So, what happened 4 months later? A&M broke the $1.2B contract, left the Big XII for the SEC, and INTENTIONALLY precipitated a chain of events that put Texas at risk - such as OU asking for an offer from the Pac-12, ESPN trying to find Texas a landing spot in the ACC, and forcing Texas to actually contemplate going independent. NOT ONE of those situations comes about if A&M hadn't reneged on the 4-month-old, $1.2 billion contract. None of it.

    Finally, once the dust settled with OU being turned down by the pac-12, and Texas publicly stating that we would insure the Big XII's survival, A&M tried to get the SEC to make TCU the 14th team so that the SEC would have a greater recruiting presence in Texas. Now, it's conjecture to say that the SEC would've actually offered TCU, but the point is that A&M was pushing it....simply to harm the Big XII and specifically Texas.

    THAT is why we won't being playing A&M in anything if Powers & Dodds have anything to say about it. A&M intentionally and with malice (or jealousy) tried to bring harm to Texas and the Big XII, as well as jeopardizing our $1.2 billion contract with Fox. No way we EVER should do a business deal with these guys again. No reason to trust those cockroaches, and certainly no reason to help them.


    that's a great post.

    i'll also add this. Texas will do aTm absolutely no favors. competing w/ them in athletics IS a favor. it's huge exposure for aTm and we're not going to give it to them by playing. neither is anyone in the Big 12 for that matter according to Dodds.

    they want to continue the serious. for that reason alone, i can tell you the answer is no.

    Texas will gladly watch them suffer in the SEC. and RacerX is right. what aTm did was deliberate and to try and damage Texas and the conference. they'll get no favors. we've replaced them and will play TCU on Thanksgiving. they'll play Missouri on Saturday in a game that won't matter for aTm as they're bowl ineligible win or lose.

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