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The Longhorn Network Isn’t Going Away

  • The fan outrage strategy might have had more traction if we were competing for titles of any kind, or at least pumping out 10 win seasons. Finishing at a gnat's ass above .500 over a two year period is not the best time to try and parlay fanatic outrage over a lack of programming into a distribution deal.

    Thank God for justintv and people with souls allowing the average schmo some access to LHN games.

    I got brains. I got big ol' brains. I got dinosaur brains.

    Bobby_Batronic

  • VaHorn said...

    Whenever someone prefaces a post with "Let me get this straight:" you can be assured that they will not.

    Whenever someone touts Alexander the Great as an analogue for enduring success, you can be assured that he really didn't think things through.

    bierce

  • VaHorn said...

    Fortunately greater minds than yours are guiding this ship. All will be well, and I'll enjoy reading your increasingly shrill posts in the next few years. Keep hope alive!!


    You go to the "let me tell you how stupid you are" defense too often and with the wrong people. It is a tactic you need to work on if you want to be more effective.

    I don't have any shrill posts regarding the Longhorn Network. I was all for it, I think they're overplaying their hand, and I don't expect any success without a major change in strategy. I'll be happy if success comes anyway, and I am sure you and a lot of others will say "had it all along" and nod your head in approval as they quietly wipe and surreptitiously wipe their brow and breathe a sigh of relief. Fine by me, I'd just like to be able to see all of the games at this point.

    close to jumping

  • PHLHorn said...

    The brand will not be at risk because Wyoming, New Mexico, and Iowa state will not be available to the mainstream public. And Deloss knows this. John Q Texas fan will gripe a little but as long as ou, west Virginia, TCU, okie state, and Texas tech are on tv they will be satisfied in the end. And said fan will continue to fill up the athletic department coffers buying Texas merchandise.

    As much as folks around here like to think they matter, in the grand scheme of things, there aren't enough people who care to rock the boat, in neither Belmont nor the offices of Twc, DirectTV, or Dish.

    I tend to agree with this point. They're games not really important enough to get fans really pissed at any of the parties, meaning nobody accomplishes anything in the effort to pick up carriers.

    On the other hand, if you're basically not being shown, no matter who the opponent, it does diminish the brand. Maybe not much in one year to mean anything, but it's certainly not helpful if it continued.

    Sin Miedo

  • VaHorn said...

    Fortunately greater minds than yours are guiding this ship. All will be well, and I'll enjoy reading your increasingly shrill posts in the next few years. Keep hope alive!!

    Let me get THIS straight You actually think that there ARE greater minds than ctj's?

    "I've heard some of our fans say, 'We were always an SEC school. We just didn't know it," athletic director Bill Byrne said.

    Bevo52

  • VaHorn said...

    Fortunately greater minds than yours are guiding this ship. All will be well, and I'll enjoy reading your increasingly shrill posts in the next few years. Keep hope alive!!

    You are as entitled to have an opinion and express it here as any of the rest of us. However, the gist of most of your posts on the LHN is that people who are far smarter and in control than any of us are taking care of things, and everything will be fine in the end.

    However, there is no real support for that theory on this specific topic. Many of the people on this board are smart, experienced, accomplished, and sport UT degrees. I've negotiated my share of contracts, and I know all about finances. What I think happened is this: The concept of the LHN, as stated publicly, was to enhance the UT brand and to give greater exposure to athletes in non-revenue and Olympic sports. After all, every Texas football game and basketball game was already available to anybody who wanted badly enough to see them, either for free, on PPV, or as part of a package subscription. There was no need, and no way to greatly increase the exposure for these sports. They were maxed out.

    ESPN officials walked in, sat down at the table, and said "We want to give you $300 million for the distribution and production rights to LHN." Plonsky, Dodds and Powers didn't hear anything after "$300 million." They completely forgot about exposure for non-revenue sports and athletes, didn't contemplate the possibility of losing exposure for revenue sports, and acted like they had better take the money before somebody at ESPN realized what a mistake they were making and withdrew the offer. They simply did not negotiate. They gave away all control over distribution, and assumed that ESPN could place the LHN anywhere they wanted it. Who knows, maybe that's what ESPN told them. At any rate, worried that they might not get to the bank before the drive-up window closed, they signed the contract and ran out of the room, thinking they had pulled the job of the century.

    A year later, it's hard to think of one thing that the LHN has done to enhance the Texas brand. It is easy, however, to find examples of negative impact and negative public perception brought on by LHN. It's been used (conveniently) as an excuse to try to break up the Big 12; it's caused a national controversy about televising HS games and the perceived recruiting advantages associated therewith; and it has resulted in regular negative press about overestimating public appeal and overplaying a modest hand. None of that is good for Texas. If the idea is that we can spend 3-5 years digging a hole, and then 15 more to dig out, that seems myopic.

    At any rate, I appreciate your opposing point of view, but wish you could offer more substantive support for that opinion than the continued exhortations to have faith in Dodds, Plonsky and Powers, simply because they have had success in other aspects of their jobs. I sincerely wish that you had inside information to share that there really is an actual strategy in play here, and that it will culminate in greater glory for Texas athletics. I'm just not seeing it so far.

    texaztom

  • How fast is FIOS and, Grande growing?

    hornokc

  • close to jumping said...

    You go to the "let me tell you how stupid you are" defense too often and with the wrong people. It is a tactic you need to work on if you want to be more effective.

    I don't have any shrill posts regarding the Longhorn Network. I was all for it, I think they're overplaying their hand, and I don't expect any success without a major change in strategy. I'll be happy if success comes anyway, and I am sure you and a lot of others will say "had it all along" and nod your head in approval as they quietly wipe and surreptitiously wipe their brow and breathe a sigh of relief. Fine by me, I'd just like to be able to see all of the games at this point.

    ctc, I actually enjoy most of your posts. You clearly know a lot about football. You are correct though. I don't think that you are very bright.

    VaHorn

  • I don't really see where this strategy is going. To create a firestorm of fan reaction that might cause some providers to actually do something, you'd have to put some important games on the LHN, which they certainly won't risk doing for obvious reasons. So they'll continue to alienate the core customer (and their most fervent defenders) by withholding 3 games ONLY hardcore Longhorn Fan cares about. The casual fan who does not have the LHN shrugs and watches the SEC. What is gained? Now it may not put the brand at risk immediately, but it certainly erodes the relevancy of it. And on top of it all is the middling product on the field, which mitigates passion further still from the hardcore Horn all the way to the casual fan. Hard to get any traction with this strategy when the product is just OK to begin with. Maybe if you had Vince Young in his prime running around in burnt orange, but harder now when Baylor is kicking our ass on a regular basis. Bay-lor.

    I have to be missing some details on this that makes it perfectly logical and will restore my faith in the administration at UT. If so, somebody please enlighten me.

    James Westfall

  • VaHorn said...

    Fortunately greater minds than yours are guiding this ship. All will be well, and I'll enjoy reading your increasingly shrill posts in the next few years. Keep hope alive!!

    In other words, you got nothing. Anyone that points out how insanely moronic your view is and you just come back with cheap one-liners. As others have pointed out numerous times already, hope is not a strategy and hope is all you have.

    If the LHN does not get even modest distribution by this fall it is a gigantic failure.

    Newy25

  • Put the OU game on LHN. Then, you'll see some noise made.

    "I've heard some of our fans say, 'We were always an SEC school. We just didn't know it," athletic director Bill Byrne said.

    Bevo52

  • Bevo52 said...

    Put the OU game on LHN. Then, you'll see some noise made.

    Would be funny if Dodds floated that just to torque Bowen.

    James Westfall

  • texaztom said...

    You are as entitled to have an opinion and express it here as any of the rest of us. However, the gist of most of your posts on the LHN is that people who are far smarter and in control than any of us are taking care of things, and everything will be fine in the end.

    However, there is no real support for that theory on this specific topic. Many of the people on this board are smart, experienced, accomplished, and sport UT degrees. I've negotiated my share of contracts, and I know all about finances. What I think happened is this: The concept of the LHN, as stated publicly, was to enhance the UT brand and to give greater exposure to athletes in non-revenue and Olympic sports. After all, every Texas football game and basketball game was already available to anybody who wanted badly enough to see them, either for free, on PPV, or as part of a package subscription. There was no need, and no way to greatly increase the exposure for these sports. They were maxed out.

    ESPN officials walked in, sat down at the table, and said "We want to give you $300 million for the distribution and production rights to LHN." Plonsky, Dodds and Powers didn't hear anything after "$300 million." They completely forgot about exposure for non-revenue sports and athletes, didn't contemplate the possibility of losing exposure for revenue sports, and acted like they had better take the money before somebody at ESPN realized what a mistake they were making and withdrew the offer. They simply did not negotiate. They gave away all control over distribution, and assumed that ESPN could place the LHN anywhere they wanted it. Who knows, maybe that's what ESPN told them. At any rate, worried that they might not get to the bank before the drive-up window closed, they signed the contract and ran out of the room, thinking they had pulled the job of the century.

    A year later, it's hard to think of one thing that the LHN has done to enhance the Texas brand. It is easy, however, to find examples of negative impact and negative public perception brought on by LHN. It's been used (conveniently) as an excuse to try to break up the Big 12; it's caused a national controversy about televising HS games and the perceived recruiting advantages associated therewith; and it has resulted in regular negative press about overestimating public appeal and overplaying a modest hand. None of that is good for Texas. If the idea is that we can spend 3-5 years digging a hole, and then 15 more to dig out, that seems myopic.

    At any rate, I appreciate your opposing point of view, but wish you could offer more substantive support for that opinion than the continued exhortations to have faith in Dodds, Plonsky and Powers, simply because they have had success in other aspects of their jobs. I sincerely wish that you had inside information to share that there really is an actual strategy in play here, and that it will culminate in greater glory for Texas athletics. I'm just not seeing it so far.

    texaztom, Texas recognized that they were in a unique situation. We have a very large and avid fanbase. The school's brand recognition is unparalleled. We had the opportunity to create something that no single university had ever created. Something that only a few universities could ever hope to accomplish. Is it without risk? Of course not, but Texas did a masterful job of shifting much of the risk to ESPN while retaining a significant portion of the upside. There are many smart people on this board, but few that have given hard thought to the various options that are available to exploit UT's Tier 3 rights. The bidding for the Longhorn Network came down to ESPN, Fox and a private equity group out of New York. This wasn't just some wild offer by ESPN that Texas blindly accepted without thinking. Your characterization of the negotiations is, frankly, naïve. If you have worked on large deals, you may appreciate the fact that a lot of work goes into them. People do not offer $300 million without giving some thought to the end game. This is a major investment. ESPN has hired 50 to 70 people for the Longhorn network. They have built a studio. They have laid $4-$5 million of cable.

    Everyone invovled was cognizant of the fact that the Big 10 Network had a tremendously difficult time obtaining widespread coverage. The negotiations with the carriers were brutal. I do not believe that anyone involved was naïve enough to believe that the appeal of a network for a single school would have an easier time than a network devoted to one of the premier conferences. Without a doubt, the footprint achieved by the Longhorn Network to date has not met the optimistic hopes of those involved. But no one thought that this would be easy. The Big 10 Network took three years to rollout. Perhaps the Longhorn Network will take longer. But when it is fully implemented we will have something that no other school has. The coverage for the non-revenue sports will be unparalleled. We will also have a platform to advance Texas' agenda in matters unrelated to sports. Consider the recent brouhaha between Gov. Perry and Powers. It will be nice to have an asset like the LHN to advance President Power's agenda.

    VaHorn

  • Most folks seemed to have grasped essentially what has happened. For the first time Texas made a deal with somebody who was the bigger, badder SOB in the room.

    $300 million is a nice round number, but for ESPN it is money they dug up under couch pillows.

    ESPN's mantra has always been "Everything is available - for a price." They are scared to death about giving something away for free or below market value. They made the deal for the Longhorn Network because they are always on the look for future revenue streams. They understand that more and more people (especially the younger demo) are moving away from cable and satellite to other venues for watching TV (computers, I-pads, I-phones, etc.)

    The key for ESPN is "TV everywhere." It's why every athletic venue on campus is wired for live streaming. Want to watch the baseball game on your I-phone? Sure, just as long as you are also paying a cable subscription.

    They see the Longhorn Network as a prototype, something they hope to multiply in the future with other schools or conferences. The fight over pricing (40 cents per subscriber in the dominant markets AND on basic cable) is all they care about.

    Sports programming, specifically live sports programming, is the holy grail since it seems to be the best available inventory that is DVR proof. And while the LHN (and others to follow) may not have all that many live events, if the programming is available on any and all mobile devices, there is a value to that for the niche market.

    Hell, even Time Warner Cable understands the value of regional sports networks. They have gone into partnership with the Los Angeles Lakers over two RSN's (one in English and one in Spanish). They will be on air in October and they are busy selling them to other carriers in the region -- for a nice price.

    The LHN deal has made Texas a (very) interested bystander while ESPN fights with Time Warner and Comcast over distribution and price. The fact that Deloss takes the brunt of the anger and phone calls is okay with ESPN -- that's why they paid Texas the big bucks.

    I have no idea as to how long this fight will continue (Time Warner still refuses to carry the NFL Network) but I do know that Texas has a minority say in how to resolve the fight.

    srr50

  • srr50 said...

    The LHN deal has made Texas a (very) interested bystander while ESPN fights with Time Warner and Comcast over distribution and price. The fact that Deloss takes the brunt of the anger and phone calls is okay with ESPN -- that's why they paid Texas the big bucks.

    I have no idea as to how long this fight will continue (Time Warner still refuses to carry the NFL Network) but I do know that Texas has a minority say in how to resolve the fight.

    That's what I figured. (sigh)

    “Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11

    Bob in Houston

  • VaHorn said...

    ctc, I actually enjoy most of your posts. You clearly know a lot about football. You are correct though. I don't think that you are very bright.


    You don't have to patronize me, man. You can tell me how you feel and it will keep not mattering. You think you are smart and you want us to know it. Hell, you established that need on this board a long time ago.

    close to jumping

  • I don't know about you two but I'm the second coming of Einstein, and when I'm not here bullsh*tting about Texas football I'm writing my epic on superduperstring theory.

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    Jexes23

  • close to jumping said...

    This is a case of the beatings continuing until the morale improves. Adding 3 and then 4 games to a channel no one can watch is similar to simply not showing them. The idea that fans are so stupid that they're going to keep blaming the carriers and not the network and the program tells you how disconnected the administration is to reality. People are going to complain to the carriers ahead of game 1, bitch at UT and ESPN for game 2, and yawn during game 3 and watch other games. 2013 will be worse. They need to get a satellite deal done. They're actively working to destroy one of the greatest brands in sports if they add 3rd and 4th games.

    Even when the LHN is in wide distribution there should never be more than one directional school game on it.

    Why would UT willingly want its game to broadcast on a channel that the casual football fan will not tune into and willingly lessen the ratings/potential audience.

    It is asinine to even think of doing that. Casual fans are not going to tune into a school centric network IMO.

    PDX Horn

  • srr50 said...

    Most folks seemed to have grasped essentially what has happened. For the first time Texas made a deal with somebody who was the bigger, badder SOB in the room.

    $300 million is a nice round number, but for ESPN it is money they dug up under couch pillows.

    ESPN's mantra has always been "Everything is available - for a price." They are scared to death about giving something away for free or below market value. They made the deal for the Longhorn Network because they are always on the look for future revenue streams. They understand that more and more people (especially the younger demo) are moving away from cable and satellite to other venues for watching TV (computers, I-pads, I-phones, etc.)

    The key for ESPN is "TV everywhere." It's why every athletic venue on campus is wired for live streaming. Want to watch the baseball game on your I-phone? Sure, just as long as you are also paying a cable subscription.

    They see the Longhorn Network as a prototype, something they hope to multiply in the future with other schools or conferences. The fight over pricing (40 cents per subscriber in the dominant markets AND on basic cable) is all they care about.

    Sports programming, specifically live sports programming, is the holy grail since it seems to be the best available inventory that is DVR proof. And while the LHN (and others to follow) may not have all that many live events, if the programming is available on any and all mobile devices, there is a value to that for the niche market.

    Hell, even Time Warner Cable understands the value of regional sports networks. They have gone into partnership with the Los Angeles Lakers over two RSN's (one in English and one in Spanish). They will be on air in October and they are busy selling them to other carriers in the region -- for a nice price.

    The LHN deal has made Texas a (very) interested bystander while ESPN fights with Time Warner and Comcast over distribution and price. The fact that Deloss takes the brunt of the anger and phone calls is okay with ESPN -- that's why they paid Texas the big bucks.

    I have no idea as to how long this fight will continue (Time Warner still refuses to carry the NFL Network) but I do know that Texas has a minority say in how to resolve the fight.

    Comcast signed a deal with ESPN for 10 years and LHN was not a part of it.

    Also if the SEC forms a conference network who exactly is left to form a network? FSU and ND perhaps?

    Can't think of any other school that could even come close to pulling off a network if all SEC, Big 10 and Pac 12 schools are out of the equation.

    PDX Horn

  • close to jumping said...

    You don't have to patronize me, man. You can tell me how you feel and it will keep not mattering. You think you are smart and you want us to know it. Hell, you established that need on this board a long time ago.

    ctj, if I talk down to you, that is not my intent. I suspect I am not the first.

    VaHorn

  • hornokc said...

    How fast is FIOS and, Grande growing?

    Verizon stopped all FIOS expansion over a year ago, if your area does not have it now, you aren't getting it

    Belmont is happy to count their 300 million, damn the little people

    smaxx

  • PDX Horn said...

    Even when the LHN is in wide distribution there should never be more than one directional school game on it.

    Why would UT willingly want its game to broadcast on a channel that the casual football fan will not tune into and willingly lessen the ratings/potential audience.

    It is asinine to even think of doing that. Casual fans are not going to tune into a school centric network IMO.

    All that matters is that they subscribe. I subscribe to the BTN and never watch. They seem not to care.

    VaHorn

  • VaHorn said...

    ctj, if I talk down to you, that is not my intent. I suspect I am not the first.

    When you talk to people like a giant sack of shit it is hard to take anything you say seriously. Any point you think you might have made gets lost in the jackassery that you call your posts.

    Newy25

  • Newy25 said...

    When you talk to people like a giant sack of shit it is hard to take anything you say seriously. Any point you think you might have made gets lost in the jackassery that you call your posts.

    There, there.

    VaHorn

  • When one guy I have on Ignore quotes another guy I have on Ignore, it makes the sound of one hand clapping.

    "I've heard some of our fans say, 'We were always an SEC school. We just didn't know it," athletic director Bill Byrne said.

    Bevo52