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  • caxinator said...

    My thought was that it's a combination of Manny not having the whole playbook in which I guess means we were playing a lot more base, but I can't remember last year with that much detail. When we did have to read and react, our players simply had more football smarts/experience (Robinson and Acho). Another thing is that we had players who had gained a certain amount of toughness under Muschamp. Then again, I could be completely wrong about last year's scheme. Offenses have also found our Achilles heel. Basically a perfect storm.

    Last year Diaz had great success overloading a single gap and winning with speed. They would send two guys at a gap and one guy would come through unblocked with a bead on the QB. Teams are now simply running away from the overload into the giant gap that it exposes. I don't know if they are able to do that because they had a year of film to prepare with or because the LBs are a bunch of gay troglodytes. I do know that they continue to do it and that in response, Manny continues to do nothing different.

    RufusWasMyPapaw

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    rozell99

  • I see a lot of people taking the original post as a knock on the defense. I think that is short-sighted. The defense is clearly an issue, but merely a symptom of a larger disease. The issue is Texas is soft. Neither line is capable of dominating. The culture at Texas needs to change. A new DC can not do that. A team will reflect its leader. Firing off at the DC is exactly what will keep the program stagnant. Do not allow yourself to scapegoat another coordinator or position coach. We have all been there. It does not change things. Changing the culture takes far more drastic action. It is time to hold Mack accountable

    Codaxx

  • Codaxx said...

    I see a lot of people taking the original post as a knock on the defense. I think that is short-sighted. The defense is clearly an issue, but merely a symptom of a larger disease. The issue is Texas is soft. Neither line is capable of dominating. The culture at Texas needs to change. A new DC can not do that. A team will reflect its leader. Firing off at the DC is exactly what will keep the program stagnant. Do not allow yourself to scapegoat another coordinator or position coach. We have all been there. It does not change things. Changing the culture takes far more drastic action. It is time to hold Mack accountable

    You are correct. It starts at the top.

    Texhorn60

  • This is what we need

    http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/muschamp-eyes-10-27-12.gif

    BJL

  • rosessmellgreat said...

    Regardless of the national rankings last year, Texas was gashed by every good team we played and for the same reasons we are getting gashed this year. We were better last year because they still had some "Muschamp" hold over.

    I've said this since Diaz was hired- Miss State was gashed exactly in the same manner when he was there. Looked great for two plays and then a huge gain on 3rd or 4th down.

    Well why in the hell was he hired? This is not experiment U. If thats the case It was a stupid hire and that falls on the HC. Mack is a super nice but!!!!

    hornsrus

  • It won't work and unless the whole scheme is changed the results will be the same next year. I really don't blame Diaz, he was honestly shocked and surprised Mack offered him. He had one year of experience with big time Division 1 competition at Miss State and had fairly good but overall mixed results in a conference that hadn't seen his schemes before.

    Mack took a huge gamble, a completely unnecessary gamble after being turned down twice. Mack was being criticized in the local press for taking so much time hiring someone. He panicked and frankly it was shocking to anyone familiar with Manny's inexperience. Mack said he got Manny's name as an up and comer from multiple sources. That may be true but he was completely unproven. I don't blame Manny one bit for taking the job, anyone with any grit and ambition would have taken that opportunity on. This is Mack's deal and a huge error from someone who is hands off particulartly with the defense. he flunked his self described role as CEO with a terribly risky hire.

    By the way I never understood why anyone thought this defense would be good based on last year's results. This defense never did perform consistently well against a good offense last year and got completely embarrassed by Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Baylor.

    Paleohorn

  • Paleohorn said...

    By the way I never understood why anyone thought this defense would be good based on last year's results. This defense never did perform consistently well against a good offense last year and got completely embarrassed by Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Baylor.

    Odd,

    Nobody shut OSU down (either scoring or yards) like Manny did last year.

    Despite 6 turnovers, Baylor only scored their season average.

    Manny faced 8 offenses in the Top half of the nation last year including 4 in the Top 10 (think about that).

    He was "embarrassed" by 2 when the O gave up a combined 11 turnovers and 21 points.

    Otherwise he held EVERYONE of those he faced to 2 scores UNDER their season average, many 2 TDs.

    While I have little doubt that film study, piss poor LB play and some of the worst tackling I've seen are playing big parts in this years debacle, please stop with the revisionist history that Manny's D wasn't great last year.

    IDMAS

  • Sorry,

    Revisionist history is a pet peeve.

    Back to an otherwise excellent thread.

    2 very well done posts but I will ask each, your thoughts on the "why" we have problems. (Mack sucks isn't what I'm looking for but think they realize that)

    IDMAS

  • Second play kills me.

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    (23)Texas 21, Kansas 17 - Kansas Game High...

    Nick Prolago's 29-yard field goal, the first of his career, put Kansas in position to post a win over No. 23 Texas, but Longhorn quarterback Case McCoy led a 70-yard touchdown drive with 12 seconds remaining for a 21-17 come-from-behind victory at Memorial Stadium on Homecoming weekend Saturday afternoon.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/5boRSuhHJzE

    Hoop98

  • RufusWasMyPapaw said...

    Last year Diaz had great success overloading a single gap and winning with speed. They would send two guys at a gap and one guy would come through unblocked with a bead on the QB. Teams are now simply running away from the overload into the giant gap that it exposes. I don't know if they are able to do that because they had a year of film to prepare with or because the LBs are a bunch of gay troglodytes. I do know that they continue to do it and that in response, Manny continues to do nothing different.

    +1 for your use of troglodytes

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    HuttoHorn

  • Codaxx said...

    I see a lot of people taking the original post as a knock on the defense. I think that is short-sighted. The defense is clearly an issue, but merely a symptom of a larger disease. The issue is Texas is soft. Neither line is capable of dominating. The culture at Texas needs to change. A new DC can not do that. A team will reflect its leader. Firing off at the DC is exactly what will keep the program stagnant. Do not allow yourself to scapegoat another coordinator or position coach. We have all been there. It does not change things. Changing the culture takes far more drastic action. It is time to hold Mack accountable

    You are correct about Mack, but a different DC can make a difference. Will proved that.

    CelinaHorn

  • close to jumping said...

    You guys are on a roll.

    Nothing can more simply describe the stupidity of the defensive coaching than pointing out the fact that they go 2-down with more frequency than 4-down. Variation is fine, but the idiocy of constantly walking LBs up, dropping DEs back, and run blitzing on every series is some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen. Someone mentioned Carl Reese and I've said it this year too, but it's worse than what he was doing and that is nothing short of shocking. This isn't MTSU - the defense should just be able to line-up and play a fricking 4-3 for most of the game against numerous teams, but especially Kansas.

    And, it's beyond incredulous that our head coach just sits back and watches it. He has no clue how to offer help.

    Bevo11

  • CelinaHorn said...

    You are correct about Mack, but a different DC can make a difference. Will proved that.

    Did he? Same DC that UCLA players laughed at in the media. Aggie ran over. Bama ran over. He was part of 5-7 also. He was not always happy with the way things were done here. Do you think his practice at Florida resembled his practices at Texas? I for one doubt it. Why? Because now Boom gets to run it his way and not within the framework of Mack's guidelines.

    This post was edited by Codaxx on 10/29/2012 at 3:20 PM

    Codaxx

  • What still shocks me are all the short memories regarding Muschamp's defenses.

    He lived and died with stunts and blitzes also and either came up with tackles for losses or gave up huge runs.

    Lamar Houston and Henry Melton were great college defensive lineman and why they are successful in the NFL.

    You can blame the putrid Horn offense all you want, but the 2010 Horn defense didn't exactly hold teams to a lot of FGs that season and was consistently gashed by below average teams.

    Willow01

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    UTCoppell

  • Codaxx said...

    Did he? Same DC that UCLA players laughed at in the media. Aggie ran over. Bama ran over. He was part of 5-7 also. He was not always happy with the way things were done here. Do you think his practice at Florida resembled his practices at Texas? I for one doubt it. Why? Because now Boom gets to run it his way and not within the framework of Mack's guidelines.

    In the interest of fairness, we stood up to bama pretty well.

    But we lack any senior LBs and really and good lbs (sans the injured Hicks) along with no senior DTs and that is on Will.

    still, thought Will was second only to GR and Tomeny as a DC here in the mack era, maybe even ahead of them.

    IDMAS

  • Codaxx said...

    Did he? Same DC that UCLA players laughed at in the media. Aggie ran over. Bama ran over. He was part of 5-7 also. He was not always happy with the way things were done here. Do you think his practice at Florida resembled his practices at Texas? I for one doubt it. Why? Because now Boom gets to run it his way and not within the framework of Mack's guidelines.

    I agreed that Mack is the main problem, but I still think someone different can make improvements with our defense. UCLA sucked but in fairness to our defense that year we could not score with Hooker.

    CelinaHorn

  • Texhorn60 said...

    Great Post. I kept wondering about the MLB being lined up between the DT and DE at various times. From what little I know about football. He was easy to block and that position keeps him from covering another gap.

    If the MLB was Edmonds, he was easy to block because he plays high plus he's not suited to walk up & shoot the gaps. He's the defensive version of Bergeron as in he needs 4 yards to build up speed. He is a run thumper not a pressure the QB LB. He is at his best when he goes from the regular LB spot to tackle the runner, not from the DL. Just not fast enough.

    hornetcoach

  • CelinaHorn said...

    I agreed that Mack is the main problem, but I still think someone different can make improvements with our defense. UCLA sucked but in fairness to our defense that year we could not score with Hooker.

    Agreed. There will be improvements, but to what extent? Even under Boom there were some humiliating games. In fact those type of games have continually scarred Mack's career. My pt is there always seems to be an excuse or a finger to point. Mack has lost more games vs teams with less talent than any coach over the last 5 yrs. According to college football matrix it is more than double the next guy. 15 coming into this yr. At some point Texas should have a head coach that does not need great coordinators to win. Texas deserves a coach that can make coordinators great (at least on one side of the ball)

    Codaxx

  • Bobby_Batronic said...

    How would you feel about a college coaching career? Say the DC position at the state institution level?

    I'll second that !!!

    Bevostevo

  • IDMAS said...

    In the interest of fairness, we stood up to bama pretty well.

    But we lack any senior LBs and really and good lbs (sans the injured Hicks) along with no senior DTs and that is on Will.

    still, thought Will was second only to GR and Tomeny as a DC here in the mack era, maybe even ahead of them.

    Bama ran 41 times for 205 yds. Lot of factors went into the score, but Texas's inability to stop the run is a major reason. Bama only attempted 11passes, so it was not a great game plan. Bama simply lined up and pounded Texas up front on both sides of the ball.

    Codaxx

  • Codaxx said...

    Bama ran 41 times for 205 yds. Lot of factors went into the score, but Texas's inability to stop the run is a major reason. Bama only attempted 11passes, so it was not a great game plan. Bama simply lined up and pounded Texas up front on both sides of the ball.

    Bama didn't throw because our secondary would have eaten them alive while the game was still in doubt, and they didn't have to once it was clear that our offense was going to poop on itself in response to losing Colt. I don't blame them at all for that loss. They stood up very well for a long time in that game against a very, very good opponent.

    They weren't terrible in 2010 despite several trumpeting how teams ran all over them. That D was weak up the middle due to playing Okafor at DT, Robinson's penchant for avoiding blockers, and Gideon's Gideoness, but it did quite well in adjust stats that year, and was sabotaged by a horrid offense that featured a turnover machine under center.

    I got brains. I got big ol' brains. I got dinosaur brains.

    Bobby_Batronic

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    jg6544

  • What does the hiring of Diaz say about Mack's football acumen?

    30 years as a coach and Mack cannot analyze a DC?

    It is time!

    BiggUggly