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  • This post was originally posted by A_Texasmancan late last night in a different thread.

    I'm reposting it here because I think it's a good read.

    ***

    I suppose I'm just a glutton for punishment. I find myself pausing, rewinding, and examining play after play when Kansas or Baylor or Oklahoma (or pick any team we've played this year) breaks for a long gain on this "defense" of ours. I wanted to see what caused the break down and how a back can run untouched for 20 plus yards before being tackled, or worse, break three tackles on the way to gaining 20 plus yards. Maybe it's a habit, having played linebacker at the Univ of Texas on some pretty darn good teams ('68-71), and recalling how our excellent coaches would dissect any mistakes we made during Sunday afternoon's film session from the game the day before. The ability to break down a play just sort of stays with you, I guess, from hours & hours of film study. I've never been one to just watch the ball as a result of that type of training from years ago. What I've seen this year has already been repeatedly discussed ad nauseam. I see too much stunting by the front seven. Back in the day, we always felt a defense that stunts over & over is a defense that is admitting it is inferior to the team it's playing. They are too small, not quick enough, doesn't have the athletes across the board to compete with the opposing teams offense. You do this because they feel it levels the playing field somewhat. You are compensating for a lack of talent. We didn't do that back then. We felt like our athletes and our system would allow us to win most battles because we were fundamentally sound in our approach to the game. You line up, we will line up, and we will kick your butt head up because we want it more. Period. This defense of ours makes me want to throw up. I don't like the system, and I don't like what I see from the individual players and their lack of desire to compete. I see horrible pursuit angles, I see players not maintaining an inside/our leverage on a runner, I see players diving for the ankles of runners, I see players not putting their head across the bow to properly secure a tackle, I see players that have no clue where to line up or where to go in a particular defense, I see players that once they actually get where they need to be not wanting to aggresively attack the ball carrier, I see defensive ends getting too far upfield, I see players not using their hands to keep a blocker off their legs, I see once knocked down just lazily staying on the ground instead of bouncing up and continue pursuing, I see a group of players who body language would suggest they don't even want to be out there...and I see this time after time after time. It disgusts me. Our coaches we had would have NEVER allowed that type of effort, and the leaders we had on our team would have been in your face in a heart beat reaming you out and telling you to step it up. From what I have observed thus far, I have zero confidence we will go to Lubbock and be able to stop a good offense, or any other game remaining on our schedule. It is as bad as any defense I have ever witnessed at our school since the '60's. Those are the observations. Anyone can make an observation, the question becomes how does it get changed? How does it get better? When does the process of changing philosophy and developing mental toughness begin? I would suggest it's damn near impossible to elevate one's play at this point in a season. This change in attitude begins during off season. I believe it will only come with new direction. What we have going on currently is just not getting it done. I'm appreciative of what has been done in the past 15 years on so many levels. If there are changes made, the new regime will come in with a chance to immediately turn things around because there are athletes galore on the team. But the team is soft, and that doesn't get changed usually till the season has ended. I hope an honest assessment will be done at the close of the season, so that the healing process of becoming mentally tougher can prevail. Hook em!

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    BobbyBurton

  • Great post.

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    Longhorn in OK

  • How can four other coaches and Mack Brown seem to look at the game film and not adjust accordingly?

    Is it because coaches are too dumb or stubborn to change things up?

    Sheesh.

    Bill Stickers

  • Agree. Thanks for re-posting Bobby.

    Devils Cut

  • perfectly worded by an ex UT football player....I've got to believe that every single man who has donned the uniform of the Texas Longhorns has got to be disgusted with this defense. I hope that group makes their voices heard loud and proud how disgusted they truly are.

    81horn ●

  • BobbyBurton said...

    This post was originally posted by A_Texasmancan late last night in a different thread.

    I'm reposting it here because I think it's a good read.

    ***

    I suppose I'm just a glutton for punishment. I find myself pausing, rewinding, and examining play after play when Kansas or Baylor or Oklahoma (or pick any team we've played this year) breaks for a long gain on this "defense" of ours. I wanted to see what caused the break down and how a back can run untouched for 20 plus yards before being tackled, or worse, break three tackles on the way to gaining 20 plus yards. Maybe it's a habit, having played linebacker at the Univ of Texas on some pretty darn good teams ('68-71), and recalling how our excellent coaches would dissect any mistakes we made during Sunday afternoon's film session from the game the day before. The ability to break down a play just sort of stays with you, I guess, from hours & hours of film study. I've never been one to just watch the ball as a result of that type of training from years ago. What I've seen this year has already been repeatedly discussed ad nauseam. I see too much stunting by the front seven. Back in the day, we always felt a defense that stunts over & over is a defense that is admitting it is inferior to the team it's playing. They are too small, not quick enough, doesn't have the athletes across the board to compete with the opposing teams offense. You do this because they feel it levels the playing field somewhat. You are compensating for a lack of talent. We didn't do that back then. We felt like our athletes and our system would allow us to win most battles because we were fundamentally sound in our approach to the game. You line up, we will line up, and we will kick your butt head up because we want it more. Period. This defense of ours makes me want to throw up. I don't like the system, and I don't like what I see from the individual players and their lack of desire to compete. I see horrible pursuit angles, I see players not maintaining an inside/our leverage on a runner, I see players diving for the ankles of runners, I see players not putting their head across the bow to properly secure a tackle, I see players that have no clue where to line up or where to go in a particular defense, I see players that once they actually get where they need to be not wanting to aggresively attack the ball carrier, I see defensive ends getting too far upfield, I see players not using their hands to keep a blocker off their legs, I see once knocked down just lazily staying on the ground instead of bouncing up and continue pursuing, I see a group of players who body language would suggest they don't even want to be out there...and I see this time after time after time. It disgusts me. Our coaches we had would have NEVER allowed that type of effort, and the leaders we had on our team would have been in your face in a heart beat reaming you out and telling you to step it up. From what I have observed thus far, I have zero confidence we will go to Lubbock and be able to stop a good offense, or any other game remaining on our schedule. It is as bad as any defense I have ever witnessed at our school since the '60's. Those are the observations. Anyone can make an observation, the question becomes how does it get changed? How does it get better? When does the process of changing philosophy and developing mental toughness begin? I would suggest it's damn near impossible to elevate one's play at this point in a season. This change in attitude begins during off season. I believe it will only come with new direction. What we have going on currently is just not getting it done. I'm appreciative of what has been done in the past 15 years on so many levels. If there are changes made, the new regime will come in with a chance to immediately turn things around because there are athletes galore on the team. But the team is soft, and that doesn't get changed usually till the season has ended. I hope an honest assessment will be done at the close of the season, so that the healing process of becoming mentally tougher can prevail. Hook em!

    I am piling onto this thread because of the similarity of our post. Agree with everything A_Texasmancan said. I posted this in Bobby's Waking Thoughts topic.

    I just counted Kansas running plays. Kansas ran the ball 56 times against Texas for 234 yards and two touchdowns. Texas didn't effectively stop the run until the fourth quarter and it was largely due to the Horns consistently playing 7 or 8 in the box. Texas stunted or blitzed 38 times against the Jayhawks on rushing plays. Texas gave up 170+ yards in the running games when stunting or blitzing and not maintaining gap integrity.

    As a former Texas linebacker, this is the most atrociously coached defense I have seen at Texas since my freshman year in 1983. The defensive line is being coached to penetrate and running themselves out of plays. Because they are shooting gaps and not looking for the ball the offensive line is walling them off with zone schemes. The offensive line is also consistently getting to the second level and making contact with our linebackers and safeties.

    While I can appreciate a slant or run blitz occasionally, the frequency at Texas is much too high. Zero/One techniques should be shading between the center and guard forcing a double team. Three techniques should be extending the arms and getting their heads up to look for the ball. The strong side defensive end should be penetrating to the depth of the ball and turning plays inside to pursuit. The weak side defensive end should be pursuing down the los at half the depth of the ball. If the defensive line does this, there aren't enough play side offensive lineman to block the MLB, play side linebacker and safety. The unblocked defenders swallow up the running game and neutralize it.

    Other negative defensive comments.

    Texas needs to do the following.

    1) DE need to penetrate the line of scrimmage and funnel the running game back inside.
    2) The defense needs to pursue from the inside out.
    3) The defensive line needs to give better effort. Getting cut block and laying on the ground without getting back up to eliminate back side lanes is purely an effort problem.
    4) The defensive line needs to protect the linebackers so that they can fill gaps.
    5) Two down lineman is borderline retarded.
    6) Texas should never allow any receiver to get deeper then the safety.
    7) Texas should never allow a slot receiver off the line of scrimmage without getting chipped or bumped.
    8) Texas DBs should always play with inside leverage and never allow a receiver to get their head across the front of their body.

    Pathetic effort.

    76-37-5

    ut755

  • Is it just me or is Diaz walking our LBs up into the gaps ala Carl Reese? Seems like an easy way to get them caught in the thrash and to be more easily picked up by lineman, backs, or TEs. Just bizarre to watch.

    ATX89

  • Bill Stickers said...

    How can four other coaches and Mack Brown seem to look at the game film and not adjust accordingly?

    Is it because coaches are too dumb or stubborn to change things up?

    Sheesh.

    The scary conclusion might just be that we have one the field IS the best we can do. If so, the road is bumpier than we might even yet realize.

    thebeeve

  • ut755 said...

    I am piling onto this thread because of the similarity of our post. Agree with everything A_Texasmancan said. I posted this in Bobby's Waking Thoughts topic.

    I just counted Kansas running plays. Kansas ran the ball 56 times against Texas for 234 yards and two touchdowns. Texas didn't effectively stop the run until the fourth quarter and it was largely due to the Horns consistently playing 7 or 8 in the box. Texas stunted or blitzed 38 times against the Jayhawks on rushing plays. Texas gave up 170+ yards in the running games when stunting or blitzing and not maintaining gap integrity.

    As a former Texas linebacker, this is the most atrociously coached defense I have seen at Texas since my freshman year in 1983. The defensive line is being coached to penetrate and running themselves out of plays. Because they are shooting gaps and not looking for the ball the offensive line is walling them off with zone schemes. The offensive line is also consistently getting to the second level and making contact with our linebackers and safeties.

    While I can appreciate a slant or run blitz occasionally, the frequency at Texas is much too high. Zero/One techniques should be shading between the center and guard forcing a double team. Three techniques should be extending the arms and getting their heads up to look for the ball. The strong side defensive end should be penetrating to the depth of the ball and turning plays inside to pursuit. The weak side defensive end should be pursuing down the los at half the depth of the ball. If the defensive line does this, there aren't enough play side offensive lineman to block the MLB, play side linebacker and safety. The unblocked defenders swallow up the running game and neutralize it.

    Other negative defensive comments.

    Texas needs to do the following.

    1) DE need to penetrate the line of scrimmage and funnel the running game back inside. 2) The defense needs to pursue from the inside out. 3) The defensive line needs to give better effort. Getting cut block and laying on the ground without getting back up to eliminate back side lanes is purely an effort problem. 4) The defensive line needs to protect the linebackers so that they can fill gaps. 5) Two down lineman is borderline retarded. 6) Texas should never allow any receiver to get deeper then the safety. 7) Texas should never allow a slot receiver off the line of scrimmage without getting chipped or bumped. 8) Texas DBs should always play with inside leverage and never allow a receiver to get their head across the front of their body.

    Pathetic effort.

    How would you feel about a college coaching career? Say the DC position at the state institution level?

    I got brains. I got big ol' brains. I got dinosaur brains.

    Bobby_Batronic ●

  • BobbyBurton said...

    This post was originally posted by A_Texasmancan late last night in a different thread.

    I'm reposting it here because I think it's a good read.

    I regret that I have but one upvote to give for that post.

    I got brains. I got big ol' brains. I got dinosaur brains.

    Bobby_Batronic ●

  • ut755 said...

    I am piling onto this thread because of the similarity of our post. Agree with everything A_Texasmancan said. I posted this in Bobby's Waking Thoughts topic.

    I just counted Kansas running plays. Kansas ran the ball 56 times against Texas for 234 yards and two touchdowns. Texas didn't effectively stop the run until the fourth quarter and it was largely due to the Horns consistently playing 7 or 8 in the box. Texas stunted or blitzed 38 times against the Jayhawks on rushing plays. Texas gave up 170+ yards in the running games when stunting or blitzing and not maintaining gap integrity.

    As a former Texas linebacker, this is the most atrociously coached defense I have seen at Texas since my freshman year in 1983. The defensive line is being coached to penetrate and running themselves out of plays. Because they are shooting gaps and not looking for the ball the offensive line is walling them off with zone schemes. The offensive line is also consistently getting to the second level and making contact with our linebackers and safeties.

    While I can appreciate a slant or run blitz occasionally, the frequency at Texas is much too high. Zero/One techniques should be shading between the center and guard forcing a double team. Three techniques should be extending the arms and getting their heads up to look for the ball. The strong side defensive end should be penetrating to the depth of the ball and turning plays inside to pursuit. The weak side defensive end should be pursuing down the los at half the depth of the ball. If the defensive line does this, there aren't enough play side offensive lineman to block the MLB, play side linebacker and safety. The unblocked defenders swallow up the running game and neutralize it.

    Other negative defensive comments.

    Texas needs to do the following.

    1) DE need to penetrate the line of scrimmage and funnel the running game back inside. 2) The defense needs to pursue from the inside out. 3) The defensive line needs to give better effort. Getting cut block and laying on the ground without getting back up to eliminate back side lanes is purely an effort problem. 4) The defensive line needs to protect the linebackers so that they can fill gaps. 5) Two down lineman is borderline retarded. 6) Texas should never allow any receiver to get deeper then the safety. 7) Texas should never allow a slot receiver off the line of scrimmage without getting chipped or bumped. 8) Texas DBs should always play with inside leverage and never allow a receiver to get their head across the front of their body.

    Pathetic effort.


    You guys are on a roll.

    Nothing can more simply describe the stupidity of the defensive coaching than pointing out the fact that they go 2-down with more frequency than 4-down. Variation is fine, but the idiocy of constantly walking LBs up, dropping DEs back, and run blitzing on every series is some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen. Someone mentioned Carl Reese and I've said it this year too, but it's worse than what he was doing and that is nothing short of shocking. This isn't MTSU - the defense should just be able to line-up and play a fricking 4-3 for most of the game against numerous teams, but especially Kansas.

    close to jumping

  • close to jumping said...

    You guys are on a roll.

    Nothing can more simply describe the stupidity of the defensive coaching than pointing out the fact that they go 2-down with more frequency than 4-down. Variation is fine, but the idiocy of constantly walking LBs up, dropping DEs back, and run blitzing on every series is some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen. Someone mentioned Carl Reese and I've said it this year too, but it's worse than what he was doing and that is nothing short of shocking. This isn't MTSU - the defense should just be able to line-up and play a fricking 4-3 for most of the game against numerous teams, but especially Kansas.

    My wife now knows what a stunt is, and how it negatively impacts our team, as I watch - rewind and scream - and then watch again. This scheme is for the MTSU schools out there. What an embarrassment.

    tjhorn92 ●

  • Still confusing how the defense looked so good/promising last year and do a 180 this year. Makes no sense at all....what changed????

    Fcbib ●

  • Well put and exactly as I see it too. One need look squarely at the coach when a defense is so poor fundamentally as this group is. In fact, at times it looks like someone went out and got a bunch of Rugby players to play football who had never played and were not familiar with how to play the game. The fundamentals on display are truly that bad and that is on the coaching.

    This begs the answer to the question..so what will be done about it?

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    Texasmdcoach

  • I said Diaz should have been fired after the OU game, Mack had no choice and did nothing but stand behind him.

    Texas could EASILY LOSE these last four games. If that happens; I really think Mack retires.

    Willow01

  • Excellent post!

    TopJimmy

  • Fcbib said...

    Still confusing how the defense looked so good/promising last year and do a 180 this year. Makes no sense at all....what changed????

    Dias changed. The players came up with Muschamp and probably still did a lot of things they were taught and were use to doing. I'm not sure if the players respect a coach that never played football and then tries to tell them to do things they don't feel is correct. Not buying in to the plan.

    josecanusee2

  • josecanusee2 said...

    Dias changed. The players came up with Muschamp and probably still did a lot of things they were taught and were use to doing. I'm not sure if the players respect a coach that never played football and then tries to tell them to do things they don't feel is correct. Not buying in to the plan.

    IMO, offensive coaches have just caught up to his scheme. He hasn't adjusted well at all and he told us last week there wasn't a problem with his scheme. We're in trouble....

    Beast 512

  • Somebody needs to forward this to the head of the T association and have him personally deliver it to Mack.

    GREAT POST!!!!

    This post was edited by Herkie on 10/29/2012 at 1:02 PM

    Herkie

  • Fcbib said...

    Still confusing how the defense looked so good/promising last year and do a 180 this year. Makes no sense at all....what changed????

    My thought was that it's a combination of Manny not having the whole playbook in which I guess means we were playing a lot more base, but I can't remember last year with that much detail. When we did have to read and react, our players simply had more football smarts/experience (Robinson and Acho). Another thing is that we had players who had gained a certain amount of toughness under Muschamp. Then again, I could be completely wrong about last year's scheme. Offenses have also found our Achilles heel. Basically a perfect storm.

    This post was edited by caxinator on 10/29/2012 at 1:02 PM

    caxinator

  • while i agree that the d coaches should know this, they obviously don't. you former players...email mack and diaz. try to get some common sense in there. it is frickin baffling...

    Sancho

  • Great Post. I kept wondering about the MLB being lined up between the DT and DE at various times. From what little I know about football. He was easy to block and that position keeps him from covering another gap.

    Texhorn60 ●

  • BobbyBurton said...

    This post was originally posted by A_Texasmancan late last night in a different thread.

    I'm reposting it here because I think it's a good read.

    ***

    I suppose I'm just a glutton for punishment. I find myself pausing, rewinding, and examining play after play when Kansas or Baylor or Oklahoma (or pick any team we've played this year) breaks for a long gain on this "defense" of ours. I wanted to see what caused the break down and how a back can run untouched for 20 plus yards before being tackled, or worse, break three tackles on the way to gaining 20 plus yards. Maybe it's a habit, having played linebacker at the Univ of Texas on some pretty darn good teams ('68-71), and recalling how our excellent coaches would dissect any mistakes we made during Sunday afternoon's film session from the game the day before. The ability to break down a play just sort of stays with you, I guess, from hours & hours of film study. I've never been one to just watch the ball as a result of that type of training from years ago. What I've seen this year has already been repeatedly discussed ad nauseam. I see too much stunting by the front seven. Back in the day, we always felt a defense that stunts over & over is a defense that is admitting it is inferior to the team it's playing. They are too small, not quick enough, doesn't have the athletes across the board to compete with the opposing teams offense. You do this because they feel it levels the playing field somewhat. You are compensating for a lack of talent. We didn't do that back then. We felt like our athletes and our system would allow us to win most battles because we were fundamentally sound in our approach to the game. You line up, we will line up, and we will kick your butt head up because we want it more. Period. This defense of ours makes me want to throw up. I don't like the system, and I don't like what I see from the individual players and their lack of desire to compete. I see horrible pursuit angles, I see players not maintaining an inside/our leverage on a runner, I see players diving for the ankles of runners, I see players not putting their head across the bow to properly secure a tackle, I see players that have no clue where to line up or where to go in a particular defense, I see players that once they actually get where they need to be not wanting to aggresively attack the ball carrier, I see defensive ends getting too far upfield, I see players not using their hands to keep a blocker off their legs, I see once knocked down just lazily staying on the ground instead of bouncing up and continue pursuing, I see a group of players who body language would suggest they don't even want to be out there...and I see this time after time after time. It disgusts me. Our coaches we had would have NEVER allowed that type of effort, and the leaders we had on our team would have been in your face in a heart beat reaming you out and telling you to step it up. From what I have observed thus far, I have zero confidence we will go to Lubbock and be able to stop a good offense, or any other game remaining on our schedule. It is as bad as any defense I have ever witnessed at our school since the '60's. Those are the observations. Anyone can make an observation, the question becomes how does it get changed? How does it get better? When does the process of changing philosophy and developing mental toughness begin? I would suggest it's damn near impossible to elevate one's play at this point in a season. This change in attitude begins during off season. I believe it will only come with new direction. What we have going on currently is just not getting it done. I'm appreciative of what has been done in the past 15 years on so many levels. If there are changes made, the new regime will come in with a chance to immediately turn things around because there are athletes galore on the team. But the team is soft, and that doesn't get changed usually till the season has ended. I hope an honest assessment will be done at the close of the season, so that the healing process of becoming mentally tougher can prevail. Hook em!

    Mack just unfriended you on Facebook mister

    Michael Knight

  • A couple of stinging indictments on this thread from guys who have significant credibility. +1 to ut755 and BB as surrogate to A_texasmancan,

    ChampKind ●

  • Fcbib said...

    Still confusing how the defense looked so good/promising last year and do a 180 this year. Makes no sense at all....what changed????

    Regardless of the national rankings last year, Texas was gashed by every good team we played and for the same reasons we are getting gashed this year. We were better last year because they still had some "Muschamp" hold over.

    I've said this since Diaz was hired- Miss State was gashed exactly in the same manner when he was there. Looked great for two plays and then a huge gain on 3rd or 4th down.

    This post was edited by rosessmellgreat on 10/29/2012 at 1:23 PM

    rosessmellgreat ●

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