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  • Based on what I'm hearing, by mid-season I would not be surprised if Malcolm, Marquis, and Mike Davis are our starting receivers. Each guy would have to be accounted for by the defense and they force opposing defenses to account for every threat...short/deep and middle of the field/sidelines.

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  • Bill Stickers said...

    my point is chiles and kirk might start, but, i think the young bucs will play a lot.

    Goodwin had 279 receiving yards and one TD catch as a freshman. Most of his impact was as a kick returner. We didn't exactly exploit his ability on offense. My point is that we have a history of not exploiting talent in favor of rewarding blood spilled. We'll see if that situation improves, but after 12 years, I predict more of the same.

    BluesAxe

  • Slappy Jones said...

    Based on what I'm hearing, by mid-season I would not be surprised if Malcolm, Marquis, and Mike Davis are our starting receivers. Each guy would have to be accounted for by the defense and they force opposing defenses to account for every threat...short/deep and middle of the field/sidelines.

    This. As long as Malcolm can prove himself to be a more consistent pass catcher.

    What has been the knock against Desean Hales?

    mstrat

  • Define mid-season. Specifically, what do you think the chances are that both Marquis and Davis will start against OU or Nebraska? After all, those are the two defenses we'll have the toughest time attacking with weak WRs.

    BluesAxe

  • Thank you for a substantive, critical analysis. This board looks as though it will have something more that the party-line, feel-good blue sky.

    Princeton Horn

  • DBs have a major advantage in practice since they don't call pass interference.

    Quarterback

  • mstrat said...

    What has been the knock against Desean Hales?

    Consistently catching the ball with his hands and not his pads. And, in part because he is smallish, he needs to make himself a bigger target by being able to extend and get the ball. If he can do that, and I know he has made strides over the first couple of years, then he could mean a lot to this team.

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  • Quarterback said...

    DBs have a major advantage in practice since they don't call pass interference.

    True. But they don't call it half the time in games either.

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  • Agree with orangehouse and BluesAxe. I cannot understand why we even have Chile and Kirk on the field sometimes. We need to do a better job of getting the ball in the hands of explosive playmakes (Monroe, Goodwin) as opposed to giving ball to Chiles and Kirk, IMO. Very frustrating.

    ThreeLeggedMule

  • Gerry Hamilton said...

    The issue for me is who scares a DC when game planning for Texas? That is where my thought with personnel always go. If I'm a DC preparing for the Texas receivers core, who do I have to game plan for? I think the answer with Kirkendoll, Chiles and Williams is zero until proven otherwise. Williams would be the guy, but he isn't consistent enough to receive special treatment consistently. I think a scouting report would mention Williams as speed to run by any corner, must e gang tackled on short catch because one missed tackle on the slant and open space allows him to get up to top end speed and then it's time to strike up the band. However, he just hasn't been consistent enough to this point to get a lot of special attention.

    Again, thinking like a DC looking at personnel, Goodwin and Williams on the field at the same time is more alarming. Throw in a guy like Davis if he puts it on video quick like I expect and then a DC would have to take a longer look.

    Precisely

    Frank Pentangel

  • Gerry Hamilton said...

    Darius still has a lot of the little things to develop. The talent is there in spades, but he is playing catch up on the little things.

    What little things are you referring to, Gerry?

    BeauR

  • A huge factor in all of this is GG. Who is he comfortable with, who does he connect with, who is his go to guy. I know all of the WR's have to step up, but the most important thing in an offense is the guy GG can depend on when we HAVE TO GET a first down. We have all taken Colt to Shipley for granted the past ocuple of years. However, Colt throwing it over Ship's back shoulder produced A LOT of first downs.

    I do not get to see practices or anything, but when GG was in last year he seemed to like Marquise and trust him. The coaches are watching all of this and the guy that GG trust will be who they trust.

    hooke_dup

  • Looks like we are going to have squeak out a lot of 17-14 games. This can't be good for my blood pressure.

    Quarterback

  • Quarterback said...

    Looks like we are going to have squeak out a lot of 17-14 games. This can't be good for my blood pressure.

    Hard to say right now until you really see the finished product. But from what I am hearing, I think you're probably right (at least the meaningful games).

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  • Gerry Hamilton said...

    The issue for me is who scares a DC when game planning for Texas? That is where my thought with personnel always go. If I'm a DC preparing for the Texas receivers core, who do I have to game plan for? I think the answer with Kirkendoll, Chiles and Williams is zero until proven otherwise. Williams would be the guy, but he isn't consistent enough to receive special treatment consistently. I think a scouting report would mention Williams as speed to run by any corner, must e gang tackled on short catch because one missed tackle on the slant and open space allows him to get up to top end speed and then it's time to strike up the band. However, he just hasn't been consistent enough to this point to get a lot of special attention.

    Again, thinking like a DC looking at personnel, Goodwin and Williams on the field at the same time is more alarming. Throw in a guy like Davis if he puts it on video quick like I expect and then a DC would have to take a longer look. Davis has already show he can accept a hard hit, hold onto the ball over the middle or in the screen game and make people miss after the catch. It will only take two or three of those plays for a DC to see the talent/ability.

    I agree with Bobby that the groups are very key. It will be interesting to see how this develops over the first 2-3 games.

    I don't wish ill will on any of our players, but when all of the reports coming out of the summer were Chiles and Kirk had taken big steps forward, I wasn't really thrilled. I mean, if they step up and become special players, great, but I'd really like to see some others get chances -- and Hales is at the top of that list for me. I have cringed when I've seen some of the reports on where people have been practicing and Chiles, Goodwin, and Hales have all be practicing the slot.

    Bobby also touched on a point that I brought up on another board last week (and I think someone raised around the same time on yet another board) -- is the superior defense stunting the offenses growth? The majority of replies were no, to be the best, you've got to beat the best, but for the wide receivers in particular I still wonder.

    DLev

  • Let me also say that standing in the end zone stands at the Rose Bowl, the WR's were by far the most disappointing unit from the last game we played. Until that unit proves otherwise, it has to be considered a team weakness.

    This post was edited by DLev on 8/23/2010 at 2:06 PM

    DLev

  • Just an observation. I'm glad this site only allows 1 quote. I don't like when you have to scroll a half a page just to get to the current post.

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  • DLev said...

    Bobby also touched on a point that I brought up on another board last week (and I think someone raised around the same time on yet another board) -- is the superior defense stunting the offenses growth? The majority of replies were no, to be the best, you've got to beat the best, but for the wide receivers in particular I still wonder.

    Great receivers will rise to the challenge of playing a great secondary. Mike Davis seems to be doing that. Marquise seems to do it as well in his limited PT.

    mstrat

  • BeauR said...

    What little things are you referring to, Gerry?

    Not Gerry, but Darius is just very raw in terms of polish and knowing how to the play the position. In a way, in my mind, he's like the Reggie Wilson of the offense - once he really figures out what he's doing the sky is the limit.

    No doubt he's a stretch the field, big-play guy who can be a factor in the return game, but also needs to develop in the short and intermediate passing game and that's where those little things will help him.

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