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Crazy Horn said...
I am a retired banker. First thing you learn is you don't lend the money to the people you like. You lend it to the people who know what they are doing. Those are the ones that can pay you back.
I like Mack Brown but he doesn't know how to fix this. That is the third game this year (OU and KU) that our guys have come out listless and unprepared. They weren't read to play and that should never, ever happen. And it wasn't just the defense. It was the whole team.
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Bobby_Batronic said...
I'm a really not sure what people were expecting. TCU plays good defense, has a strong defensive line, rallies to the ball and tackles well. And when they force you to throw they are able to confuse you qb with their 4-2-5 by being able to divide the field and play zone on one side while playing man on the other. There was a reason we had so much presnap motion last night. Harsin was trying to force the Frogs to tip their hand.
Offensively they have good skill position players and an elusive QB who struggles to throw the ball well. We won a Rose bowl with that combo. Give them a better offensive line and they could be a real challenge for most teams. They weren't facing most teams. They were facing our porous run defense.
Everyone should have expected us to struggle offensively. Take away our red zone turnovers and or convince Mike Davis to catch the ball on the slant at the goal line and the game has a different complexion on offense. Defensively, well you could kind of smell that coming too. The same two back look and motion out of the backfield to leave Edmond alone in the middle stumped our defense yet again, and we don't have a player on D who's able to contain Boykin athletically apparently.
Just a real sh*t show all around, and not one that was terribly surprising either. The stadium attendance and fan participation last night are indicative of the rudderless malaise our program is in. People can weather multi year rebuilds. That can actually be fun and satisfying as a team shows growth. We're taking some steps forward on offense, but clearly aren't there yet. Defensively, well, I can't even summon angst anymore. Just resignation.
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BobbyBurton said...
I don't like saying this, but you have to change DCs. I don't think it's even a question after this.
It's the same thing he did against Iowa State and other games this year but this time he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar one too many times.
You just don't have to play that kind of risky defense to win against some teams. It's absolutely counter productive.
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Bobby_Batronic said...
I'm a really not sure what people were expecting. TCU plays good defense, has a strong defensive line, rallies to the ball and tackles well. And when they force you to throw they are able to confuse you qb with their 4-2-5 by being able to divide the field and play zone on one side while playing man on the other. There was a reason we had so much presnap motion last night. Harsin was trying to force the Frogs to tip their hand.
Offensively they have good skill position players and an elusive QB who struggles to throw the ball well. We won a Rose bowl with that combo. Give them a better offensive line and they could be a real challenge for most teams. They weren't facing most teams. They were facing our porous run defense.
Everyone should have expected us to struggle offensively. Take away our red zone turnovers and or convince Mike Davis to catch the ball on the slant at the goal line and the game has a different complexion on offense. Defensively, well you could kind of smell that coming too. The same two back look and motion out of the backfield to leave Edmond alone in the middle stumped our defense yet again, and we don't have a player on D who's able to contain Boykin athletically apparently.
Just a real sh*t show all around, and not one that was terribly surprising either. The stadium attendance and fan participation last night are indicative of the rudderless malaise our program is in. People can weather multi year rebuilds. That can actually be fun and satisfying as a team shows growth. We're taking some steps forward on offense, but clearly aren't there yet. Defensively, well, I can't even summon angst anymore. Just resignation.
This post was edited by Racer X on 11/23/2012 at 10:02 AM
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Bobby_Batronic said...
Is that not what we expected of the offense before the season? That they would do well against weaker defenses and struggle against the good ones? Outside of KU that has been the script. One could say that we played relatively well against two of the better, but not truly good, defenses we played in ISU and TTU.
We're an average to slightly above average offense and we perform that way. And that's about the development track I would expect given the change in staff, scheme, and needing to develop nearly every position from scratch. The will be a very strong offense next year if we can address the deficiencies at center and TE, and it'll be elite the year after that. Such is the developmental cycle, and hopefully we'll be able to start reloading at that time.
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Chuckie Finster said...
Is it strange that I didn't feel an ounce of hatred for Patterson the entire game? I watched him coach, I watched him motivate, and I watched him do all the things we wish Mack would do.
I've officially decided who I want to be the next head coach of our football team.
This post was edited by austinr on 11/24/2012 at 6:58 AM
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Crazy Horn said...
I probably worded that poorly. The intent was not to pick on Bobby. He is right as usual. There will be no joy in seeing Manny go but it does need to happen. I am still not convinced though that Mack has come to that conclusion yet. His comments after the game seemed more focused on our offensive shortcomings, which were abundant.
My point was more that if we really want to fix this we need to aim a little higher than Manny. We all love Mack but the whole team was not ready, not just the defense. A new DC can change our scheme but things will still not be fixed if our guys don't come out prepared and wanting it as bad as the other guys do.
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BobbyBurton said...
I don't like saying this, but you have to change DCs. I don't think it's even a question after this.
It's the same thing he did against Iowa State and other games this year but this time he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar one too many times.
You just don't have to play that kind of risky defense to win against some teams. It's absolutely counter productive.
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BobbyBurton said...
I don't like saying this, but you have to change DCs. I don't think it's even a question after this.
It's the same thing he did against Iowa State and other games this year but this time he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar one too many times.
You just don't have to play that kind of risky defense to win against some teams. It's absolutely counter productive.
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