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Snap judgments - Bad loss

  • bierce said...

    I thought the most telling thing about the game was TCU kicking a field goal on 4th and goal from the 1 when it was up 8 in the third quarter and acting like it wasn't even trying to make a first down in the entire fourth quarter.

    The exact same thought ran through my head.

    groly

  • Racer X said...

    To me, this game is very simple to post-mortem.

    1. Texas' OL simply isn't good enough to establish the run against a solid DL / Front 7. It's a personnel issue at this point. Further, Ash is a play-action QB, so when you can't run the ball at all, the play-action is ineffective and the TCU DBs can take risks for INTs. Basic offense here.

    2. Texas' DL scheme (and LB to a lesser extent) is just foolish. There's no reason to take the risks that Texas does with it's DL, via slants, stunts, loops, etc... No reason. It's a coaching issue, not a personnel issue. TCU gashed Texas with the run in the first half, and had all the points they needed (14) by halftime. The defensive game plan should have been really simple - stack the box and make TCU's QB complete lots of passes to gain first downs and score points. Instead, TCU won with only 7 completions, and ran the ball for 220 yards against slanting DTs, and looping DEs. Just dumb, dumb, dumb.

    Spot on.

    However...the playcalling didn't do ash any favors.

    And....on Ash..agree with you completely but these mental checkouts just can't happen. He loses confidence way too fast. It's sad that we have to protect him from getting his feelings hurt. That is killing our offense from working the way it needs to work

    Sancho

  • Bobby, I appreciate the in-depth breakdown of the causes, but if you re-read your comments you notice that it's heavily dominated by massive problems with scheme and blitzing.
    If you want to simplify all those great points it reduces down to (1) David Ash is pulling the string on his passes because he is not confident, resulting in the passes being short or behind the target and (2) Manny Diaz. All things you mentioned about the D can be laid solely on Manny.
    You are correct in knowing that Mack is not going to retire nor be fired, period. So, that leaves the only option as firing Diaz. This has to happen. He has proven that no matter how many games he sees us getting gashed with his misguided approach to defense, he will do the same thing next week and next year. Hard to believe he's that hard headed but he is, and for that he needs to be shown the door with no remorse. He earned it.
    And RacerX, as usually you are dead on balls accurate.

    This post was edited by TexasBlackjack on 11/22/2012 at 11:30 PM

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  • Hookem89 said...

    Texas was just too young and scared. Mack will fix this. It is what it is. Any other Mack go to quotes.

    I know you're being sarcastic but I'll spell it out for those that are unaware. Texas can't use age as an excuse against a TCU team when the Horned Frogs are younger than the Horns.

    This post was edited by BobbyBurton on 11/22/2012 at 11:29 PM

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  • Texasmdcoach said...

    Yep, he continues to think he must blitz and stunt on a majority of plays when if he would just line up and play a base defensive scheme his kids would have a better chance at success. It was shocking to me to see him do this after thinking he had figured this out finally.

    Diaz must get the boot with out question. Mack knows this group has underachieved and is not up to his rebuilding expectation which would have been a minimum of 9-3 this year or better to get back on track. His kids have tuned him out and a times give up as he is not able to keep them playing at a high level. This is coaching and he understands this. I expect him to retire at the end of the season and will be surprised if he does otherwise.

    For the life of me, I don't get why Manny does what he does.

    And yet, I believe Mack will be back and so will Manny.

    For the life of me, I don't get that either.

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  • Yeah I got sick of the announcers playing the young team card trying to prop up Mack.
    Our team is not young, just poorly coached. TCU's team is far younger and has had far more obstacles than the Horns. That is all about the coaching staff.

    This post was edited by TexasBlackjack on 11/22/2012 at 11:33 PM

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    I don't like saying this, but you have to change DCs. I don't think it's even a question after this.

    It's the same thing he did against Iowa State and other games this year but this time he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar one too many times.

    You just don't have to play that kind of risky defense to win against some teams. It's absolutely counter productive.

    I guess for me the buck stops with the man in charge. He is 21-15 in his last 36 games coached and in all likelihood will have 2 wins against teams that finish the season ranked (NU in 2010 and OK State this year).

    No evidence at this point the team will be competing for Big 12 championships at this point (which should be the minimum at $5.2 million).

    PDX Horn

  • Hookem89 said...

    Texas was just too young and scared. Mack will fix this. It is what it is. Any other Mack go to quotes.

    On the interview right after the game, of course the first and last words out of Mack Brown's mouth were, of course, "Nah, you know you can't win a ball game with that many turnovers."

    They weren't JUST "turnovers" ...it was lousy team play that CAUSED the turnovers. Mack doesn't get this and never will. And no, you don't just holler at the guys and tell them to PLAY HARDER. Just pathetic.

    Hook 'Em! ...'til early in the morn.

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  • Conference home record...

    2012: 2-2
    2011: 2-3
    2010: 1-4

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  • PDX Horn said...

    I guess for me the buck stops with the man in charge. He is 21-15 in his last 36 games coached and in all likelihood will have 2 wins against teams that finish the season ranked (NU in 2010 and OK State this year).

    No evidence at this point the team will be competing for Big 12 championships at this point (which should be the minimum at $5.2 million).

    I think that's fair. The buck absolutely stops with Mack.

    He either fixes the issues or he's the blame for them.

    I'm not sure what he's going to do, but I think he has to do something.

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    Conference home record...

    2012: 2-2
    2011: 2-3
    2010: 1-4

    Incredible. Off the top of my head the only home conference losses from 1998 to 2009 are aggies in 06 and k state in 07 and 99

    This post was edited by utsal on 11/22/2012 at 11:51 PM

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  • TexasBlackjack said...

    Bobby, I appreciate the in-depth breakdown of the causes, but if you re-read your comments you notice that it's heavily dominated by massive problems with scheme and blitzing.
    If you want to simplify all those great points it reduces down to (1) David Ash is pulling the string on his passes because he is not confident, resulting in the passes being short or behind the target and (2) Manny Diaz. All things you mentioned about the D can be laid solely on Manny.
    You are correct in knowing that Mack is not going to retire nor be fired, period. So, that leaves the only option as firing Diaz. This has to happen. He has proven that no matter how many games he sees us getting gashed with his misguided approach to defense, he will do the same thing next week and next year. Hard to believe he's that hard headed but he is, and for that he needs to be shown the door with no remorse. He earned it.
    And RacerX, as usually you are dead on balls accurate.

    This is the best post of the thread. Your #1 and #2 sum it all up In a nutshell. Ash rarely steps into throws with confidence -- the guy who fired the 4th down pass against OSU just doesn't show up often enough.

    And Manny Diaz? Just wow.

    ThornyHorn

  • Bobby- Was it me or did Peter Jenkins again look better at linebacker than Thompson late in the 4th at stopping the run? He has been playing well yet doesn't get in the ballgame until the 4th?

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    I think that's fair. The buck absolutely stops with Mack.

    He either fixes the issues or he's the blame for them.

    I'm not sure what he's going to do, but I think he has to do something.

    I am at the point of thinking he is incapable of fixing the issues.

    PDX Horn

  • BobbyBurton said...

    Conference home record...

    2012: 2-2 2011: 2-3 2010: 1-4

    That's not quite right. Not counting OU as either home or road, the home record is:

    2012 2-2 (losses to WVU, TCU, wins over Baylor and ISU)
    2011 2-2 (losses to OSU, KSU, wins over KU and Tech)
    2010 0-4 (OSU, ISU, Baylor, A&M -- all losses)

    bierce

  • BobbyBurton said...

    Mack should be able to find a capable, more conventional, DC.

    why not get rid of Mack, hes been here long enough to show he is nothing more then a mediocre head coach

    smaxx

  • bierce said...

    That's not quite right. Not counting OU as either home or road, the home record is:

    2012 2-2 (losses to WVU, TCU, wins over Baylor and ISU) 2011 2-2 (losses to OSU, KSU, wins over KU and Tech) 2010 0-4 (OSU, ISU, Baylor, A&M -- all losses)

    Apologies.

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  • Is it strange that I didn't feel an ounce of hatred for Patterson the entire game? I watched him coach, I watched him motivate, and I watched him do all the things we wish Mack would do.

    I've officially decided who I want to be the next head coach of our football team.

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  • bierce said...

    That's not quite right. Not counting OU as either home or road, the home record is:

    2012 2-2 (losses to WVU, TCU, wins over Baylor and ISU)
    2011 2-2 (losses to OSU, KSU, wins over KU and Tech)
    2010 0-4 (OSU, ISU, Baylor, A&M -- all losses)

    Either way its crazy. And we had 3 in the previous 12 Mack brown years. These are games that we just used to not lose.

    utsal

  • Hooked636905 said...

    Bobby- Was it me or did Peter Jenkins again look better at linebacker than Thompson late in the 4th at stopping the run? He has been playing well yet doesn't get in the ballgame until the 4th?

    I thought he looked ok.

    But outside of one play on a sweep, I didn't see Jinkens do much.

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  • Chuckie Finster said...

    Is it strange that I didn't feel an ounce of hatred for Patterson the entire game? I watched him coach, I watched him motivate, and I watched him do all the things we wish Mack would do.

    I've officially decided who I want to be the next head coach of our football team.

    Prepare to be disappointed

    smaxx

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  • Hookem89 said...

    Texas was just too young and scared. Mack will fix this. It is what it is. Any other Mack go to quotes.

    "Half the other teams in the country lost today...oh wait..."

    But look at it this way, at least we haven't lost each of the three big games this year in front of a national audience.

    West Virginia --- which I'll forever refer to as the 1st and 10 on the 12 Mack-pucker.
    OU - which won't ever be referred to again
    and Happy Thanksgiving Longhorn fans! TCU - You want to see a real coach? Watch Gary Patterson whip your ass with less talent and a green athlete playing QB.

    First TCU win in Austin since 1967.

    Mack, GTFO.

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