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  • Texhorn60 said...

    Yes, I have said it before. If you live out of shadow of Texas where there are number of other fans from other universities like I do, they all know it. Mack Brown two conference titles in 25 years of coaching (whatever it is).

    28 as a HC

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    "Don't know. Never had one" -- D. Royal-Mack Brown how to coach a team after a losing season

    Bruce7

  • Well stated Bobby, but you forgot to mention John Manziel, Von Miller, Christine Michael, Kenny Stills, Cory Nelson, hell I could go on forever.

    Mack is done, we know it, and he knows it. Now, if the big money boosters that like being able to hang out with Mack weren't more infatuated with their perks than with the good of the program, he just might be convinced to retire. The quicker he retires, the faster someone can come in and fix this mess.

    Its a little ironic that OU will end up being the cause of our two legendary coaches to retire.

    blutarski

  • Bobby_Batronic said...

    I... Have become comfortably numb.

    It's an interesting dichotomy watching our fan base create the most electric atmosphere in DKR in more than two decades last week, and then watching Bob Stoops and company pull our team and fan base's soul out before lowering us into a hellish death of volcanic lava, injuries, and a veritable charlie foxtrot on defense this week.

    I think we all knew that a loss was possible. Even probable. I thought we might have moved on to the point where we were at least competitive. Last week we gave the game away. This week it was taken from us. Forcibly. In a manner consistent with a recent serial child abuse scandal at a state college in Pennsylvania. Last year had valid excuses even though the festering root of our problems still roamed the sidelines. This year did something worse. It reopened deep wounds that last pained us nearly a decade ago.

    We now have a three game losing streak to OU. 2 of the losses were of the nationally embarrassing variety. We're staring a 3rd consecutive loss to BU in the face. Our defense, injuries, and now probable QB issues mean that that game could get out of hand as well. As could our season

    It's time. And we all know what I mean by that. Someone's going to have to convince him of that fact. Sally most likely. Too many men hang on and watch the empire that they've built crumble around them as their ideas stagnate and they become tone deaf to their profession. It's playing out here before our eyes. It doesn't help that we have an obtuse athletic department that will insulate him from the heat for as long as the money keeps pouring in.

    Today's result burns my ass in a 100 different ways, but most of all it shows me that we're not about to turn a corner and that our program has systematic failures that go well beyond center and TE play, or gap control. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of the OU game not being emphasized. I'm tired of it not being embraced. Reveled in. It, more than any other game, makes or breaks our season every year now that we're in the same conference, and our head coach is terrified of it. And ATM isn't around to get the rivalry split at the end of the year. It's time.

    As for the game, our punting looked pretty good. The defense is the worst unit UT has had in perhaps ever. The offense didn't do anything, but we all at least expected that to be a work in progress this year. The crowd was rowdy until is was clear that our team was not. I remember the yardage was 207 to 14 at the end of the first quarter which nearly matched my f bomb to high five ratio. Probably 12 or 13 too many high fives.

    Time to go curl up on the couch and watch TTU destroy a team we did not, and see if Latech can beat ATM. Maybe by Wednesday or Thursday some glimmer of hope will show itself, but it's pretty damn dim at the moment.

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  • Bobby_Batronic said...

    Nobody has been stopping that. You stop the Belldozer by not letting them have 3rd and short situations or get the ball inside your 10 yard line. Teams know exactly what's coming when 10 lumbers onto the field and it just hasn't mattered. I don't know why our porous defense would suddenly bow up and stop it.

    Agree, defense didn't play anywhere on the field, but once inside the 10 it was way too late

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  • Paleohorn said...

    Powers, Dodds, and Brown have been good for The University but their prime time is over, give a new generation a chance

    Powers has nothing to do with any of this. There were people howling for Dodds' head back in the 90s before he hired Brown, Garrido and Barnes.

    btw, UT has had a great run - I'm proud of what Brown, Garrido and Barnes have done at Texas.

    however, i've also come to realize that it's unreasonable to expect a single guy to maintain a program at a high level for 15 years. it's too much to ask now.

    Endust

  • bierce said...

    Um, yes he did. Close, anyway. Ranked 13th and lost to 6th ranked OU 52-13 in 1973. I wonder what he said after the game.

    Cover of 68 Cactus has a ref signaling incomplete, 3 bad years in a row. Fall of 68 wishbone years start and 68 team 9-1-1 may have been better than 69 National champs. But it is untrue that Coach Royal did not come in for criticism at end of 67 season. Winning again silenced it.

    This post was edited by cohorn on 10/14/2012 at 12:14 AM

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  • blutarski said...

    Its a little ironic that OU will end up being the cause of our two legendary coaches to retire.

    Mack is legendary? He won the NC, but is he really legendary?

    Is this a Mike Fink sort of legend? That is, is he like a riverboat captain who has outlived his time poling his boat on the river when the steam powered ships appear? Of course, Fink was a brawler, so maybe the comparison isn't so apt.

    I'm definitely not going Pecos Bill with this. I can't see Mack eating dynamite as his favorite food.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by bierce on 10/14/2012 at 3:43 PM

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  • Please God! Make it stop!!!

    1eyedcobra

  • Hopefully this is the End of a New Biginning? Mack had no Game plan for this Game. The Defense should have stayed basic with the 4-3. That seemed to be working. We were half way stopping the run. Let them play man coverage. It definitely wouldn't have hurt. Boomer Sooners know what kind of Offense were going to run been running it for years!

    Golden boy

  • Those of you who are 40 or older know where Mack has brought us from.We were not even the third best team in the conf. at that time.He made us proud to be Longhorns again after years of mediocracy.So I say this with a heavy heart.Mack your a great man and I appreciate what you have done.But it's time to do what's best for the university and retire.And I don't want to hear one damn peep about Major taking over.He learned everything he knows from Mack.We need a fresh start and attitude.We are the richest school in the country and can afford any coach we want.We need a fiery coach with passion.No more Mr nice guy.HOOKEM

    longhorn66

  • longhorn66 said...

    Those of you who are 40 or older know where Mack has brought us from.We were not even the third best team in the conf. at that time.He made us proud to be Longhorns again after years of mediocracy.So I say this with a heavy heart.Mack your a great man and I appreciate what you have done.But it's time to do what's best for the university and retire.And I don't want to hear one damn peep about Major taking over.He learned everything he knows from Mack.We need a fresh start and attitude.We are the richest school in the country and can afford any coach we want.We need a fiery coach with passion.No more Mr nice guy.HOOKEM

    Amen brother, my sentiment exactly.

    hornsrus

  • BobbyBurton said...

    Mack's the head guy. The buck stops with him.

    He can't pass the buck on program-defining decisions.

    - Ultimately, he's the one who didn't recruit Robert Griffin, not Larry MacDuff.

    - He's the one who didn't recruit Andrew Luck, not Greg Davis.

    - He's the one who dropped a successful offensive style in favor of one with less margin for error in an offensive league.

    - He's the one who allowed Mac McWhorter and Bobby Kennedy to recruit players who were incapable of being quality football players.

    I have been perhaps the biggest advocate for Mack Brown during his tenure in Austin. But this game was ridiculous from start to finish. There's no other way to put it.

    If he doesn't see it that way and own up to it completely, then I disagree with him.

    I like Mack Brown. I don't like how he coached or prepared his team on Saturday.

    Four blowouts to OU.

    Very well said Sir, very well said.

    Armyhorn

  • longhorn66 said...

    Those of you who are 40 or older know where Mack has brought us from.We were not even the third best team in the conf. at that time.He made us proud to be Longhorns again after years of mediocracy.So I say this with a heavy heart.Mack your a great man and I appreciate what you have done.But it's time to do what's best for the university and retire.And I don't want to hear one damn peep about Major taking over.He learned everything he knows from Mack.We need a fresh start and attitude.We are the richest school in the country and can afford any coach we want.We need a fiery coach with passion.No more Mr nice guy.HOOKEM

    We were Big 12 champs two years before he arrived. And he inherited a guy that would win the Heisman, Major Applewhite, outstanding offensive and defensive lines, and several future NFL players. Mackovic set the table for him.

    Mack is a phony salesman, and as such, a poor representative of the university. And a lousy football coach who has simply ridden the gravy train that is UT. Although he won't get it, he deserves a rude dismissal.

    This post was edited by Rick Zoloft on 10/14/2012 at 9:20 AM

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  • Exactly correct! We will be lucky to make a bowl game if we play like we did yesterday. No intensity, guts or pride! Unacceptable!

    PanchoLefty

    pancholefty

  • I am sure all the defensive players, learned to tackle in High School !
    However, when they got to UT that learning process stopped...........why ?
    Manny & Akina do not teach the basics ! Both need to go.....along with Mack & Harshin.

    Gary Pugh

  • WildBill71 said...

    Vince Young ain't walking through those doors again.

    He's done.

    Exactly this. Vince won Mack a championship. Mack's record against OU was poor before Vince took over, followed by Colt. Mack has no savior to bale his ass out this time. He is exposed for what he is and always was, a great guy who is a pretty average coach who's too soft on his players and who's been making $4M a year.

    TexasBlackjack

  • TexasBlackjack said...

    Exactly this. Vince won Mack a championship. Mack's record against OU was poor before Vince took over, followed by Colt. Mack has no savior to bale his ass out this time. He is exposed for what he is and always was, a great guy who is a pretty average coach who's too soft on his players and who's been making $4M a year.

    Mack is to be given credit for recruiting VY and putting him in a system that maximized his abilities but remember VY was 1-1 vs OU as a starter. Colt 3-1 and Major 2-1....

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

    austinr

  • Vince was only 1-1 against OU because he was literally forbidden from running the football himself. That 2004 team that lost to OU was clearly better than OU. The right side of the line was open all day for Vince to exploit from the DE crashing to the middle to tackle Benson. Rewatch the game and you will be sick. There was zero excuse for us to lose that game other than Mack and Greg Davis coaching to not lose too badly.
    Mack had his ass handed to him by Stoops for years and was looking simply for an honorable loss. And he achieved his objective. A 12-0 loss without firing a shot. The next week we looked like crap against Missouri, then an off week while they installed the zone read after a come to Jesus meeting about Vince being handcuffed by Mack and Greg. Vince proceeded to destroy Tech in Lubbock with the unveiling of the Madison High School offense in which Vince thrived not only running but passing. Davis and Mack wanted to offier Vince as an athlete. They get zero credit for recruiting Vince. That credit should go 100% to Tim Brewster. If Vince is offered as an athlete he plays in Miami.
    Once they turned Vince lose, as Mack admitted on tv, our fortunes changed but due mostly to allowing the offense to use all it's weapons.

    TexasBlackjack

  • TexasBlackjack said...

    Exactly this. Vince won Mack a championship. Mack's record against OU was poor before Vince took over, followed by Colt. Mack has no savior to bale his ass out this time. He is exposed for what he is and always was, a great guy who is a pretty average coach who's too soft on his players and who's been making $4M a year.

    Mack is making 5.2 million a year but I pretty much agree with everything else you said.
    I said it last night and ill say it again, it's time for Mack to go. He's lost the program.

    UTK66 ●

  • The sad thing about today is the passion in the marriage is gone. The honeymoon is over. The monsters in our dream will suddenly seem more real. The journey to the abyss of the unknown began yesterday at three.

    novahorn

  • I have been attending UT games for approaching 50 years but Saturday was the first time I have been totally embarrassed by UT's effort. Based upon our "yearly success" in getting among the best recruiting classes in the country, I don't believe Saturday can be the fault of the players. Sure there may be some that still belong to the entitled club but based upon Mac's own evaluation of this team the entitled problems are a thing of the past. I have to place blame clearly on Mac and the system that has looked the other way as he repeated fails to maximize the potential of the talent he is given. I think it is time for Mac to be moved up or out but in either case we need a clean sweep. I am a Longhorn and will always be a fan but in my opinion a true fan owes the team the truth and the truth as I see it is "enough is enough"!

    jcishs 63

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  • SizzleTheft said...

    Because he is crippled by the belief that he is right or he can fix it or that he is special.

    He's full-on delusional.

    Geez, for US$5M per year, I would try to endure just about anything for as long as possible. I certainly wouldn't turn my back on it. It's just a game. They would have to give me the pink slip. Figure pretty much the same will have to happen here (or the politically correct way of delivering a pink slip).

    Hook 'Em! ...'til early in the morn.

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