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Scipio Tex article (depressing)

  • utsal said...

    Here's my issue with the vitriol right now, nobody really knows what happens inside the program or why they are mad. I've got no issue with people being mad at the results, just try to understand that when you are spewing venom about Mack and the program, you likely have no idea what actually goes on inside the walls of Bellmont.

    This post goes against everything that is said about Mack and why people don't like him. Most say he doesn't hold anyone accountable, he's soft, and I've even heard that he doesn't care about losses. Apparently, according to this post, not only does he hold his assistants accountable, he is too much of a hard ass asshole when things go bad.

    Scipio's article is an opinion, a well reasoned opinion, yes, but it is in no way fact.

    Personally, I was never overly impressed with Harsin as a play caller. I think he has schemed us into a few wins that we would not have had under Greg Davis (BYU '11, A&M '11), but I think his play calling has hurt us a few games (OSU '11, WVU '12) because he doesn't always stick with what is working.

    Everything I have seen from Major Applewhite including personal appearances at both public and private lunches, the respect he has from other coaches (allegedly Muschamp wanted to take him, Greg Robinson took him, Nick Saban took him), every mod on every board's opinion of him, every player's tweet about him, his history recruiting, and his play when he was here says that he is ready to be the playcaller for Texas and I'm excited about that. I've never liked that his contemporaries Kingsbury and Heupel have been calling plays while he's been the running backs coach.

    I'm not saying Harsin isn't a loss, but this is nothing like the Muschamp loss because a) Brian Harsin is no Will Muschamp and b) Major Applewhite is no Manny Diaz.

    1. There is no "vitriol" or venom. People are criticizing Mack and are becoming fed up with his lack of results and his excuses for those. Nobody needs to know what's going on inside the program to see what or who the real problem is. After 15 seasons of Mack Brown, we know.

    2. Just because Mack chews out his assistants doesn't mean he isn't soft as a stick of butter in the Texas summer heat. Again, after 15 seasons, we know he's soft.

    3. Mack laying into his coaches and undressing them further proves the fact that holds everyone else accountable except for himself. Overhauling the entire staff after 5-7 and throwing his coaches under the bus after Iowa State sort of jives with this as well. How can a good coach constantly hold everyone else accountable for repeated failures but refuse to look in the mirror?

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  • Silky Johnson said...

    1. There is no "vitriol" or venom. People are criticizing Mack and are becoming fed up with his lack of results and his excuses for those. Nobody needs to know what's going on inside the program to see what or who the real problem is. After 15 seasons of Mack Brown, we know.

    I don't disagree with criticism and I tried to clear it up in later posts but don't think I did a great job. I have no issue with being fed up by the lack of results, I am. I completely agree, he is the one constant in the program.

    What I'm tired of (on both sides) is people trying to tie everything they hear related to anything into their argument for his firing or retention whether it fits in or not and either accepting rumors as completely true if it fits and total BS spin if doesn't. For example, you can think there are serious issues with the program and still think that Major taking over for Harsin is a good thing. You can think that Mack Brown should no longer be the head coach at Texas, but still think that Harsin left, not because of rumored constant meddling, but because he wanted to be a head coach.

    BTW, not accusing you of any of the above.

    utsal

  • Let me say that some of what ST wrote is complete news to me but seems logical. I certainly wondered if there was a disconnect on defense. We went from feeling that if our offense scored 24 we would win because Manny was the best dc in the whole country, to words that Jeff will not allow us to use about it (water stockade). We have the hand dealt to us as fans right now. Lets hope for a better tomorrow.

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  • Sancho said...

    It's a blog, not a media agency that holds people accountable to their sources. He can freely embellish with no repercussion.

    How is that different from any other media outlet, including this one? When it comes to truly meaningful information, nobody will reveals his sources, thus nearly impossible to hold anyone accountable. The only time a source is cited is the summary of a press conference, which mostly consists of "I like sunny days and puppy dogs" type of information.

    My opinion of Scipio is that he may not be 100% accurate, 100% of the time, but I do find the logic behind his thinking to be very sound. You can also count on him being 100% entertaining 100% of the time.

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  • Best part of the Scipio post:

    "When Muschamp left in 2010 for Florida, it didn't take long for Bellmont and some of Mack's camp followers to begin a smear campaign against him to validate UT sticking with Brown. Oddly, some Texas sites and fans carried water for that campaign, despite its illogic.

    They should think twice about doing it again."

    We will rue the day Boom got away. Don't know about Harsin.

    BuckHorn

  • Sancho said...

    The only problem is that scipio does project his opinion as fact. I'm sure some of it is but to just blindly accept it all is foolish.

    It's a blog, not a media agency that holds people accountable to their sources. He can freely embellish with no repercussion.

    I think scipio is a heck of an asset to the fan sites. He presents a unique view and he's a heck of a writer. Just keep it in perspective...

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  • Silky Johnson said...

    1. There is no "vitriol" or venom. People are criticizing Mack and are becoming fed up with his lack of results and his excuses for those. Nobody needs to know what's going on inside the program to see what or who the real problem is. After 15 seasons of Mack Brown, we know.

    2. Just because Mack chews out his assistants doesn't mean he isn't soft as a stick of butter in the Texas summer heat. Again, after 15 seasons, we know he's soft.

    3. Mack laying into his coaches and undressing them further proves the fact that holds everyone else accountable except for himself. Overhauling the entire staff after 5-7 and throwing his coaches under the bus after Iowa State sort of jives with this as well. How can a good coach constantly hold everyone else accountable for repeated failures but refuse to look in the mirror?

    Your number 3 reminds me of someone who begins yelling obscenities and calling people names once they run out of ideas or thoughts during a disagreement. Well I got no answers to the problem so I will yell real loud and blame others.

    JeezGuy

  • BuckHorn said...

    Best part of the Scipio post:

    "When Muschamp left in 2010 for Florida, it didn't take long for Bellmont and some of Mack's camp followers to begin a smear campaign against him to validate UT sticking with Brown. Oddly, some Texas sites and fans carried water for that campaign, despite its illogic.

    They should think twice about doing it again."

    We will rue the day Boom got away. Don't know about Harsin.

    It was comical watching this and other boards go through the 7 stages of grief, specifically the denial portion after boom left. I hope that the difference will be found in the following:

    a) Brian Harsin is no Will Muschamp. Will Muschamp had been a a top flight defensive coordinator with success at the highest levels and NFL experience before he came to Texas. It was an absolute coup that we got him from Auburn. Harsin had success at Boise but had yet to show that he could install his offense or have success in a big conference.

    b) Major Applewhite is no Manny Diaz. He is more of a known commodity and there will be some continuity. He was a guy that a lot of people thought should have been the play caller when Harsin was hired and is respected among his peers. Yes, he is not a completely known commodity, but at least he knows the players, is respected, and has been here.

    Like you said though, we will see.

    utsal

  • mdmost said...

    I tend to believe articles like these when I can look at the evidence of the two most ambitious guys in our program under Mack both left in under 3 years of getting here. Both of these guys were described as tough, no non-sense coaches who had some fire to them. One left for about as good an opportunity as there is. The other left it seems on the first train he could jump onto to get out of Austin. Now contrast that with Greg Davis and others who stayed in the Texas program until they were forced out. It all starts at the top. It won't change until the persons at the top are gone.

    Roinson, Tomey, Chizik....it's not like Muschamp and Harsin are the first two coaches to move on.

    UTCoppell

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  • I found the topic conitive dissonance an interesting thread. Amazing how much influence Scipio has. Just got my Dec.17 SI. Nice long article about Manning, New York, and there are several references to C.D. Interesting.

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