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Remember this about the 4-team playoff...

  • Willow01 said...

    And once again wingnut....who are the best four teams. Who are the "powers that be"?

    Idiot Communist!!

    Not interested in the poster bickering but the point I was trying to make by listing all the top 4 teams was that as bad as the BcS was, it got the final 4 right well more often than not.

    There really isn't that much debate about #5 much less #6 or #7.

    And I do think winning the conference is a big deal so take 2008 for example, you have TEXAS and Bama as "wild cards" with USC sitting at #5 and a conference champ. Simple solution, the team with the weaker SOS between TEXAS and Bama is out and USC is in.

    Now you are going to have a year like 1998 where you have 1 unbeaten then 4 teams with the same record and all conference champs. Again, if head to head is not a tie breaker then it's SOS.

    This also serves CFB well as teams will be reluctant to play all cupcakes for fear their SOS will be too low. Frankly you could even use a sub-set of OOC SOS as another judgement factor to penalize teams for trying to go soft.

    The point is, 4 has historically worked better than most think.

    This post was edited by IDMAS on 6/29/2012 at 3:36 PM

    IDMAS

  • IDMAS said...

    Not interested in the poster bickering but the point I was trying to make by listing all the top 4 teams was that as bad as the BcS was, it got the final 4 right well more often than not.

    There really isn't that much debate about #5 much less #6 or #7.

    And I do think winning the conference is a big deal so take 2008 for example, you have TEXAS and Bama as "wild cards" with USC sitting at #5 and a conference champ. Simple solution, the team with the weaker SOS between TEXAS and Bama is out and USC is in.

    Now you are going to have a year like 1998 where you have 1 unbeaten then 4 teams with the same record and all conference champs. Again, if head to head is not a tie breaker then it's SOS.

    This also serves CFB well as teams will be reluctant to play all cupcakes for fear their SOS will be too low. Frankly you could even use a sub-set of OOC SOS as another judgement factor to penalize teams for trying to go soft.

    The point is, 4 has historically worked better than most think.

    If you have to win your conference or be runner-up to get into the playoff the SOS and "opinions" becomes irrelevant and the importance of the regular season remains in tact.

    Get your minds off opinionated polls or selection committees people....they SUCK.

    Willow01

  • Willow01 said...

    If you have to win your conference or be runner-up to get into the playoff the SOS and "opinions" becomes irrelevant and the importance of the regular season remains in tact.

    Get your minds off opinionated polls or selection committees people....they SUCK.

    Why would you advocate making SOS irrelevant?

    Blurred Vision

  • Blurred Vision said...

    Why would you advocate making SOS irrelevant?

    Geez are you kiddding? How is SOS relevant when you either have to win your conference or be runner up to get into the playoffs?

    THERE ARE NO POLLS.

    THERE IS NO SELECTION COMMITTEE.

    THERE ARE NO "OPINONS"

    The playoff participants are decided from ON THE FIELD RESULTS.

    Willow01

  • Willow01 said...

    Geez are you kiddding? How is SOS relevant when you either have to win your conference or be runner up to get into the playoffs?

    THERE ARE NO POLLS.

    THERE IS NO SELECTION COMMITTEE.

    THERE ARE NO "OPINONS"

    The playoff participants are decided from ON THE FIELD RESULTS.

    You didn't answer my question. Why would you want SOS to not matter? SOS being a factor is good for college football and the fans. The more SOS matters, the better matchups fans get to see in the non-conference schedules.

    Blurred Vision

  • Willow01 said...

    Geez are you kiddding? How is SOS relevant when you either have to win your conference or be runner up to get into the playoffs?

    THERE ARE NO POLLS.

    THERE IS NO SELECTION COMMITTEE.

    THERE ARE NO "OPINONS"

    The playoff participants are decided from ON THE FIELD RESULTS.

    Ok,

    I'll bite, how would you pick 4 in say 1998 as an example?

    5 conference champs, 4 of whom had the same record.

    And keep in mind your claim was the SOS is irrelevant. But personally, that is how I would select the tie breaker.

    OTOH, I'm not a fan of "invite everyone" systems that make the regular season less relevant and that happens when you expand (read water down) the playoffs.

    IDMAS

  • Willow01 said...

    If you have to win your conference or be runner-up to get into the playoff the SOS and "opinions" becomes irrelevant and the importance of the regular season remains in tact.

    Get your minds off opinionated polls or selection committees people....they SUCK.

    If you go back and look at the top 8 in the final AP poll prior to the bowl games and compare that to the "conference champion and runner up" of the ACC, Big 12, Pac 10, and Big 10 (I'm even spotting you excluding the Big East, which I shouldn't) and then take a step back and ask yourself which of those 8 teams better reflects the 8 best team in the country, I think you'll change your opinion that hard and fast rules are better than a common sense approach.

    Your approach would have excluded Texas in 2008, it would have excluded Alabama last year. Instead of 2008 Texas and 2011 Alabama (consensus top 3 teams in the country), in 2008, the ACC runner up was 9-4 (9-5 after losing to Vaderbilt in a bowl game) Boston College. In 2011, the Pac 12 runner up was a god-freaking-awful UCLA team that had to petition for bowl eligibility with its 6-6 record after getting destroyed by Oregon.

    The most crooked "sucky" (to use your eloquent term) selection committee would not make the same inexcusable mistake to exclude a top 3 team from a top 8 playoff in at least 2 out of the last 4 years as your system would. Plus, your system provides ZERO access for teams in conferences outside of the Big 12/Big 10/ACC/Pac 12. No reason worthy teams from MWC, WAC, C-USA, or Big East should be excluded if they're deserving. The facts just aren't on your side here. Not even close.

    You need to take a step back and start analyzing actual facts instead of raw emotions. Or, you could continue the incredibly persuasive argument style of CAPITALIZING random WORDS.

    DLev

  • IDMAS said...

    Ok,

    I'll bite, how would you pick 4 in say 1998 as an example?

    5 conference champs, 4 of whom had the same record.

    And keep in mind your claim was the SOS is irrelevant. But personally, that is how I would select the tie breaker.

    OTOH, I'm not a fan of "invite everyone" systems that make the regular season less relevant and that happens when you expand (read water down) the playoffs.

    There is no four teams----THERE ARE AT LEAST EIGHT TEAMS.

    Geez!!!!

    Willow01