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I dont know about ringside observers they spoke to, but the ones Max Kellerman spoke to that he said were very well respected in his eyes said that Bradley won. Now, perhaps Max doesnt know what hes talking about either, but when I watched it with no sound, the fight looked to reflect what I saw on the scorecards. They were all pretty close, so its not like one judge was way out in left field with a score. It was 115-113 across the board, one for Paq, two from Tim. I dont see conspiracy.

I was out of town and didn't watch the fight at home so I wasn't able to dvr it. Once it shows on Hbo I'll rewatch without the sound. The commentary generally doesn't bias me, though because I disagree with a lot of the stuff that is said a fair amount of the time. Even Manny gets caught up in it sometimes and just says stuff.

Been crazy busy and didn't realize that they were showing it ahead of the Chavez Jr. Fight and missed it. Will set my DVR and try to watch this weekend.

Chavez jr. is a beast, by the way.

Totally agree on the decline of speed fighters. I think Roy was the worst because he got away with so much that once his speed left he was barely average because of this lack of technique.

I think Martinez may have a little longer shelf life since he came to boxing much later than most pro fighters. I can't think of too many elite fighters that came to the sport that late in life.

Read a great article by Chris Mannix in SI where he questioned whether or not Mayweather-Pacquioa is really going to that great of a fight in 2013 or whenever. Both guys are on the decline, although I think Manny's has as much to do with lack of focus as age. Regardless, I totally agree that we won't be seeing both guys at the pinnacle of their game. Going to be a big pay per view fight but not what it would have been a couple of years ago.

I disagree about Manny needing to be the one to sign the contract. IMO, Floyd has been playing this like a seasoned politician, doing things for optics with nothing behind them. He's put in poison pills at every turn. First drug testing, which Pac finally agreed to, then it was another issue. Now he wants the majority of the purse. On and on it goes. If I was him I'd feel pretty confident in fighting Manny after his last two fights. He couldn't finish Bradley, which he would have done easily a couple of years ago and then marquez. Marquez is a bad style match up for him, but Floyd is better counter-puncher than Marquez, even though Marquez is one of the best ever.

Canelo will destroy Ortiz, IMO. Not sure on Chavez-Martinez, due to Chavez's size and continuing maturation as a fighter. Certainly going to be a good one. Martinez negated Paul Williams' size advantage, so it may not be as much of a factor, but I think Chavez is much stronger than Williams' was. if Cotto and Canelo fight, i have Cotto at this point in their careers.

If there is a Mayweather-pacquioa fight, Floyd will probably do a fight to keep the rust off, not idea who that would be. Pacquioa has to fight Bradley again so we're not going to see that fight until may/June 2013 if it happens at all.

Heavyweight division is dead. I tend to like Super Middle down to lightweight, more speed and skill and still some nice power. After the Golden Era of Ali-Frazier-Foreman there hasn't been much of excitement other than Tyson at his peak. Holmes came a little too late or too early depending on how you look at it. Hugely underrated.

Holmes was very good. Probably one of the best ever but he was following Ali and its tough to top that. There is hope though for the American Heavyweights. Some ex-DE from Michigan State is now boxing and is proving to be very good at it so far. Got rocked in his last fight, shook it off and knocked the guy out. I forget his name. Outside of that, its a bunch of bums. Klitko is going to be a tough out for anyone with that reach he has.

i know who you are talking about, name escapes me as well. Saw him in one of his first fights. The fact that neither of us can think of his name off the top of our heads is telling.

Klitschkos don't have anyone to fight but each other and they won't do it. They overmatch anyone that they fight and as I much as I enjoy seeing great skill, watching someone beat someone up with a jab then an occasional right for the KO is kind of boring. Their fights are monotonous.

I dont know, but it is becoming the big fight day.

Klitschkos styles are boring and then they fight undersized, outclassed boxers too. Maybe they are that good but when Lewis retired, I havent seen anyone with a snowball chance to beat either of them. NBC had a guy fight last week and he looked pretty good, but he would get KOd too. America is void of a dominan heavyweight. I have a guy in my gym fight in the Jrs this week so maybe we will see some talent there. Hes too big for his height so I expect him to just be ok. He can hit hard, but can be baited in too easily. As a light heavy, i shouldnt be makeing him back up with brute strength alone and Im old in fighter terms.

Forgot to quote Bierce when I posted-

It did start out that way, but not it's just viewed as good time for a fight. Pacquiao-Hatton was that weekend along with Pacquiao-Mosely and Mayweather-Mosely.

The Manny is juicing thing was something that Floyd Sr. started when it became apparent Manny and Jr were on a collision course. Watch the 24/7 two fights before the talks for a fight between them started. It was gamesmanship, at best and ducking at worst, as were the contract demands for testing. Loaded handwraps and gloves are a whole different thing.

The sport is bleeding out. It needed Mayweather and Pacquiao, the two people keeping the sport alive, to fight and have some epic battles that lead to multiple fights. You have two of the greatest fighters in the history of the sport in the same weight division both in their primes at the same time. Boxing needed the fight to happen in the worst way 3 years ago. Instead all of the posturing and BS leading to there not being a fight further pushed people away from the sport. The Bradley decision just inflicted another major wound.

You're right, boxing doesn't have any other fighters that have the broad appeal that Floyd or Manny has. De la Hoya was the guy before the two of them and passed the torch to those two. There isn't a standard bearer and it looks like boxing is going to become a niche sport, at least until someone compelling eventually comes along and there is a resurgence for a little while.

5 Judge WBO review panel is unanimous for a Pacquiao win with average score being 116.6-111.4.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8079349/wbo-review-timothy-bradley-manny-pacquiao-fight-unanimously-scores-pacquiao

Not in any one fight but if Mayweather is getting more than $40 million to fight today, he can fight 4 or 5 guys that are decent & get that, then fight Pac for the major payday in addition to the money he's already made. Once they fight eachother the demand to see either greatly fades & its already faded some with the Bradley/Pac decision. You also said that Arum only makes more if Pac fights one of his guys...isn't Bradley one of his guys??

If Floyd and Manny wanted to fight, they would. They could direct their promoters to make it happen or fire them. They havent done that yet, but I do expect to see a deal made for the spring of 13. Manny is going to need to knock Bradley out in the rematch in order to get equal money. Floyds resume is much better and he has no losses, so Pac is going to have to do a real number on Bradley. Personally, I think Floyd should get more money but not a 60/40 type split. 55/45 would be a good number. Heck, they would both make no less than 50 mil anyway and the PPV would be off the charts.

Ok fellas, this is whats on tap for this weekend:

Michael Dallas Jr, vs Javier Castro, Friday Night ESPN. Dallas is from Dallas....LOL.
Victor Ortiz vs. Josesito Lopez, SAT night, Showtime. (Was supposed to be Berto, but Berto was positive for roids.)
Lucas Matthysse vs. Humberto Soto, same card as Ortiz.

There are others, but no TV for those that I know of.

Who you got?