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Formation wise it still includes the named parties, right?
And formation wise behind habern you have Austin Woods who is also injured backed up by Ikard who is actually your starting guard. And Bell, your QB was practicing at TE because there weren't enough bodies to have a real TE there.
Yeah, your OL is an 8.0, on a scale of 1-15
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Two things need to happen for us to be a great team this year.
1. LB Depth. Razor thin here. Wort, Nelson, Ibiloye, Byrd are what we have with experience. After that, its a bunch of young guys with no experience. An injury or two here and things could get bad for us in a hurry. Other than that, the defense looks good to go.
2. WR/TE. We have a good group, but they were inconsistent after Broyles went down. That has changed this spring, but thats practice. I have to see it in the game. Metoyer has change the picture in a big way with his play and there are several WRs coming in with a chance to do the same, mainly Gardner. TEs are catching the ball and blocking well, but again, thats practice, I wanna see it in the game.
We are very deep on the OL, but I dont like our LT right now. Latu is coming in this summer and hopefully he will make a difference. We will see. Practices have been very very physical. As usual, we go 1s vs 1s, so that makes for some good battles.
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papa horn said...
Formation wise it still includes the named parties, right?
And formation wise behind habern you have Austin Woods who is also injured backed up by Ikard who is actually your starting guard. And Bell, your QB was practicing at TE because there weren't enough bodies to have a real TE there.
Yeah, your OL is an 8.0, on a scale of 1-15
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jjloehr said...
Bruthaman,
I'm inclined to trust your assessment on OU, but Papa does raise some pretty solid issues on your OL.
The statement re your defense being better than ours is costing you some cred though.
This defense will be the best you've seen from us since '04, when your 12-1 team scored 12 points on us, even though our O was shut out.
1) You will not run up the middle on us. Dorsey, Jackson, Moore, Edmond say so.
2) You will feel pass pressure from both sides.
3) You'll face 13 players likely to go pro in round 1-4, half in round 1-2.
4) You'll face the best CB tandom in the Big 12, perhaps nationally.
5) you'll face a Thorpe candidate at S.As much as I appreciate your candid comments, you are really missing it on this point.
Lastly, although Landry is a real talent, the fact remains, he has not really been a winner in big games. I see one good win over NU for the Big 12, scoring 23. He is not a guy who elevates his team to win the big ones, if he even gets them there. He is capped out, really after his 2nd season. You've seen all you're going to from him...
If we avoid turning the ball over more than twice, we will win this time around.
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jjloehr said...
Bruthaman,
I'm inclined to trust your assessment on OU, but Papa does raise some pretty solid issues on your OL.
The statement re your defense being better than ours is costing you some cred though.
This defense will be the best you've seen from us since '04, when your 12-1 team scored 12 points on us, even though our O was shut out.
1) You will not run up the middle on us. Dorsey, Jackson, Moore, Edmond say so.
2) You will feel pass pressure from both sides.
3) You'll face 13 players likely to go pro in round 1-4, half in round 1-2.
4) You'll face the best CB tandom in the Big 12, perhaps nationally.
5) you'll face a Thorpe candidate at S.As much as I appreciate your candid comments, you are really missing it on this point.
Lastly, although Landry is a real talent, the fact remains, he has not really been a winner in big games. I see one good win over NU for the Big 12, scoring 23. He is not a guy who elevates his team to win the big ones, if he even gets them there. He is capped out, really after his 2nd season. You've seen all you're going to from him...
If we avoid turning the ball over more than twice, we will win this time around.
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Who in OU's receiver or RB group scares you as a big play guy or a guy that scares you with speed? Nobody. Their WRs can be good and chain movers, but there is no Broyles-like threat to score on every play.
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Deep Red said...
You got papa hating on OUs OL which is very head scratching considering your own OL is so bad that Mack Brown sold his soul and signed a Juco. A Juco at the Harvard of Lake Travis?
Now we have you doubting OUs ability to 3 peat against the Horns because of poor QB play of Landry Jones? I truly am convinced you two are a couple of Aggie trolls. No way a UT educated Horn would throw out the lack of OL and QB as being the Achilles heel of the Sooners.
Classic stuff.
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jjloehr said...
Deep Red,
Papa's comments were right on, and Brutha has yet to counter. The fact that our OL has been down since '08 do to some horrendous recruiting and equally bad development, should in no way invalidate Papa's criticism's of Brutha's claims that OU will be strong on it's OL. Perhaps your education hasn't equipped you to follow that logic.
Re Landry and the relevance of good QB play in our next matchup: even a cursory look by you at Landry's stat trends would have revealed the point I made about him having peaked without winning any big ones. You may not want to muddy the waters of your highly educated statements with things like facts. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't Landry's biggest victory so far be over Connecticutt? Now there's a football powerhouse... And since reading comprehension may not be much of a priority for Oklahoman's like yourself, let me help you: the main point of my post was that our defense is much better than OU's, perhaps our best since '04, and although I didn't say it quite this clearly, they'll be kicking OU's ass in October. You got 24 against our defense last year. You wont break 20 this year. Then, in the last sentence I state quite clearly, although missed by you, that the key determinant in our next game will be whether or not we limit our turnovers to 2 or less. The outcome will depend on our QB, not yours, as yours will fail to rise to the occassion if it is a big game, as usual.
Lastly, having seen how limiting your posts to well reasoned statements is difficult for you, leaving you reliant on the personal attack, let me also reply. Since I am a UT graduate, and you are an OU fan on a UT website (did you miss the "Hookem.com" site name? It's at the top of this page), I'm pretty sure that would make you the troll. I have a degree in math and computer science, with an MBA from UT's Internationally ranked business school, making me an educated UT Horn. Since educational backgrounds seem important to you, what is yours?
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Bruthaman,
I'm inclined to trust your assessment on OU, but Papa does raise some pretty solid issues on your OL.
The statement re your defense being better than ours is costing you some cred though.
This defense will be the best you've seen from us since '04, when your 12-1 team scored 12 points on us, even though our O was shut out.
1) You will not run up the middle on us. Dorsey, Jackson, Moore, Edmond say so. 2) You will feel pass pressure from both sides. 3) You'll face 13 players likely to go pro in round 1-4, half in round 1-2. 4) You'll face the best CB tandom in the Big 12, perhaps nationally. 5) you'll face a Thorpe candidate at S.
As much as I appreciate your candid comments, you are really missing it on this point.
Lastly, although Landry is a real talent, the fact remains, he has not really been a winner in big games. I see one good win over NU for the Big 12, scoring 23. He is not a guy who elevates his team to win the big ones, if he even gets them there. He is capped out, really after his 2nd season. You've seen all you're going to from him...
If we avoid turning the ball over more than twice, we will win this time around.
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bruthaman said...
Our DEs are pretty good this year. RJ Washington is as good a pass rusher as Alexander was, but not as good against the run. He got to the QB pretty consistently last year. David King is on the other side at 173lbs but is pretty fast and also rushes well. Behing them, Nelson and Ndule are doing well. Nelson is really really fast, but I wanna see how he handles the run game. Ndule is pretty good all around, just has to get more consistent. The others have some growing to do.
Too early to tell because Gardner hasnt arrived yet. Pure speed is Franks (10.2) but hes not very elusive and can be jammed easily. Reynolds, Stills, Jackson, Franks and Metoyer have all been pretty good catching so far. Gardner is going to push somebody out of a job though and we also have Shephard, Neal and Woods coming in. Look good on film, but I have to see it on the field. Neal gets my nod to see time. Very good route runner and very good hands. The only reason he wasnt the #1 player in Missouri was because DGB was in his class.
Our defense will better than last year. We played a lot of people and got them some experience. We werent bad last year, but did have our WTF moments. Moving Colvin to corner and Jefferson to safety is going to help a ton. IMO, our defense will be on par or better than what you guys have. I know what you hear and read about your boys, but we are far from bad.
IMO, if we can find an LT, we will be able to do whatever we want on offense, running or passing. Johnson is at LT right now, but I am not sold on him. He played RT last year and didnt do to bad, but we need more size than he has and Latu brings that. I wouldnt rate it at a 6.5. I go 8 instead, especially if we go from under center more.
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