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  • Let me say up front I have heard this information completely second hand; well really third hand I suppose. And I will type this quickly and it will probably be a little wordy. Anyway with that disclosure I was told this past week from a close buddy of mine some interesting information. At least I think it is interesting.

    My buddy is the brother-in-law of someone who is very much in the know within the Univ. of Georgia system. The UGA person is not someone who is really directly involved in SEC decisions apparently, but my buddy tells me this relative of his is someone who absolutely is a person that is kept closely apprised of essentially all strategic decisions the SEC officials are thinking of and making from an athletic perspective.

    So the story from this UGA person currently reads like this RE the SEC thinking on expansion. As we all know, the SEC would invite us and OU in a heartbeat into the conference for expansion if we were open to it. Neither the LHN or OU's future 3rd tier TV deal is an issue as the SEC allows individual schools to control their own 3rd tier rights. For reasons we know of our guys do not have interest. In particular two powerful individuals on our side are not interested. We pretty much know who these individuals are.

    With this current situation the strategy at this point is the SEC does not want to go to 16 right now as they really ultimately want us and OU. And once they go to 16 without us and OU, then they are done - i.e, they will not be going to 18. So they want to attempt to essentially wait out the couple of UT officials to leave (i.e, retire or leave somehow) over the next several years. Additionally, senior SEC decision makers are of the firm belief that both OU and us will slowly lose the recruiting battles in our home state. As such, they firmly believe eventually OU will decide to tell our guys that they have had enough and will look to go to the SEC with our without us. So the end game is they get OU to buckle due largely to recruiting (not due to $$$) and simultaneously hopefully the UT folks against the SEC will retire/leave. Then faced with OU leaving, our recruiting momentum slowing and having hopefully new folks in our system more open
    to the SEC, then they will ultimately get us and OU to be #15 and #16.

    My buddy says SEC officials do not have a hard time frame that this has to happen by but he did say that they are thinking this will play out over the next 3 years. So by 2016.

    I did ask about why OU would not go to the PAC instead of the SEC and the answer is that again the SEC officials believe that by letting OU control its own 3rd tier TV rights, that the PAC will be an inferior choice for OU vs. the SEC.

    So somewhat interesting. Who knows how valid this thinking is within the SEC power guys. But all I know is my buddy is someone I have known for over 25 years and he is not someone who just throws around BS and he firmly believes that is relative absolutely knows that this is the current thinking from the SEC's perspective.

    Troon74

  • Deloss can't retire or get fired soon enough.

    WildBill71 ●

  • Troon74 said...

    Let me say up front I have heard this information completely second hand; well really third hand I suppose. And I will type this quickly and it will probably be a little wordy. Anyway with that disclosure I was told this past week from a close buddy of mine some interesting information. At least I think it is interesting.

    My buddy is the brother-in-law of someone who is very much in the know within the Univ. of Georgia system. The UGA person is not someone who is really directly involved in SEC decisions apparently, but my buddy tells me this relative of his is someone who absolutely is a person that is kept closely apprised of essentially all strategic decisions the SEC officials are thinking of and making from an athletic perspective.

    So the story from this UGA person currently reads like this RE the SEC thinking on expansion. As we all know, the SEC would invite us and OU in a heartbeat into the conference for expansion if we were open to it. Neither the LHN or OU's future 3rd tier TV deal is an issue as the SEC allows individual schools to control their own 3rd tier rights. For reasons we know of our guys do not have interest. In particular two powerful individuals on our side are not interested. We pretty much know who these individuals are.

    With this current situation the strategy at this point is the SEC does not want to go to 16 right now as they really ultimately want us and OU. And once they go to 16 without us and OU, then they are done - i.e, they will not be going to 18. So they want to attempt to essentially wait out the couple of UT officials to leave (i.e, retire or leave somehow) over the next several years. Additionally, senior SEC decision makers are of the firm belief that both OU and us will slowly lose the recruiting battles in our home state. As such, they firmly believe eventually OU will decide to tell our guys that they have had enough and will look to go to the SEC with our without us. So the end game is they get OU to buckle due largely to recruiting (not due to $$$) and simultaneously hopefully the UT folks against the SEC will retire/leave. Then faced with OU leaving, our recruiting momentum slowing and having hopefully new folks in our system more open to the SEC, then they will ultimately get us and OU to be #15 and #16.

    My buddy says SEC officials do not have a hard time frame that this has to happen by but he did say that they are thinking this will play out over the next 3 years. So by 2016.

    I did ask about why OU would not go to the PAC instead of the SEC and the answer is that again the SEC officials believe that by letting OU control its own 3rd tier TV rights, that the PAC will be an inferior choice for OU vs. the SEC.

    So somewhat interesting. Who knows how valid this thinking is within the SEC power guys. But all I know is my buddy is someone I have known for over 25 years and he is not someone who just throws around BS and he firmly believes that is relative absolutely knows that this is the current thinking from the SEC's perspective.

    It could be true. The issues as I understand them are 1) Texas and OU have pledged their TV rights to the Big 12 for an extended period of time. I don't think they have a window for an exit for close to a decade. 2) The SEC will be announcing a conference channel all teams pledging their tier 3.

    This post was edited by ut755 on 2/6/2013 at 5:39 PM

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    ut755

  • You're forgetting the part where aggy now has so much weight to throw around that they would block our move to the SEC.roflmao

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    KorbenDallas28228 ●

  • Silly, silly post. Even the current SEC contract would not allow the LHN. The soon to be implemented SEC network will require all of the SEC schools to sign over their 3rd tier rights.

    VaHorn ●

  • I still do not understand the BigXII thinking.

    SEC is effectively "rewarded" by it's better teams not beating each other up, they play 8 confernece games, we play 9.

    We should add teams like FSU, Clemson, GT, Louisville or BYU (in some combination of 4). Of course the move to add TCU was foolish IMHO from a market/TV set standpoint but what is done is done.

    This gives WVU some real regional matchups to build upon, this gives us inroads into better TV markets (though pickings are slim). Louisville is the size of Austin and can be the "football" school in a basketball state

    Oh well, DeLoss and the boys didn't call for my takes.

    IDMAS

  • No way.

    - UT can't win the Big 12. Why commit to permanent mediocrity in the SEC?
    - UT would have almost no influence in the SEC vs determining influence in the Big 12.
    - UT has a money advantage in the Big 12 that it would lose in the SEC.
    - The path to the final 4 in the new system would become even more difficult for everyone in the SEC with too much quality in one conference.
    - The Big 12 would not die. It would add teams and have a much easier path to undefeated seasons and the final 4.
    - Why would existing SEC members want UT and OU in a conference that is already loaded? (Yeah, UT would be viewed as an easy win as long as Mack is around but it would mean less over time.)
    - The SEC is all about adding TV markets. OU adds almost nothing to the SEC TV contract and the SEC already has aggy in the Texas market.
    - OU cannot leave OSU or they would already be in the Pac 12. UT may not be able to leave TT or Baylor.
    - The GOR is effective.
    - No way UT follows little brother to the SEC.

    InsightTexas

  • Would love to see it but unfortunately I don't see it happening.

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    pepper11

  • Don't really understand why OU wouldn't want to go to the SEC.
    Stoops and Joe C don't strike me as people afraid of competition like Belmont.
    They must really enjoy beating Texas that much.
    I don't buy the Tier 3 nonsense.
    Maybe I am wrong but I don't see how OU wouldn't make more money for their school with a new SEC television contract/SEC network.

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    clacknasty

  • This scenario works for me. All the SEC has to do is wait out a 72-73 year old man. The odds are in their favor IMO.

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    GetHooked

  • The SEC is my top choice and I have a hard time agreeing with any of the arguments against it. It largely seems like a few excuses have been made and everyone blindly accepts them as truth (only the SEC is cheating, academics are bad in the SEC, etc). Hopefully with some new leadership we will at least consider it.

    Hornographer ●

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    rosessmellgreat

  • Why would OU be interested in the SEC Network over their own third tier deal? Is more money worth 1/16 the access?

    Beast 512

  • Beast 512 said...

    Why would OU be interested in the SEC Network over their own third tier deal? Is more money worth 1/16 the access?

    No offense, but if the "third tier deals" were so great, why would the other conferences, like the SEC, prefer a conference network?

    I'd say it has something to do with with ratings, reach, money and how they think they can best position their conferences to be successful.

    Perhaps everyone else is missing the boat and the Big 12 is the one that is on the right track. I'm no expert on these things. But the the majority of people who make their livings at this seem to be going the conference network route. And those conferences have a record of being very successful at what they do.

    Sin Miedo ●

  • Can OU go without OSU?

    texlnghorn

  • If we go to the SEC, then we will own the state of Texas permanently. If you want to play the best, why go to Tuscaloosa when you not only can stay in state, but you play in Austin.

    horn4jc

  • WildBill71 said...

    Deloss can't retire or get fired soon enough.

    Deloss is so tied to his alma mater it will keep us in the wilderness for years.Time for new blood in Belmont and no plonsky.

    PanchoLefty

    pancholefty

  • Sin Miedo said...

    No offense, but if the "third tier deals" were so great, why would the other conferences, like the SEC, prefer a conference network?

    I'd say it has something to do with with ratings, reach, money and how they think they can best position their conferences to be successful.

    Perhaps everyone else is missing the boat and the Big 12 is the one that is on the right track. I'm no expert on these things. But the the majority of people who make their livings at this seem to be going the conference network route. And those conferences have a record of being very successful at what they do.

    Really? The Big 10 is the only conference network with a history worth measuring and a lot of their schools are unhappy. WIth conferences becoming so big, your reach and exposure will be limited on a conference network. I'm sure the tv networks love bundling up all of these schools for a price. No brainer for them.

    Beast 512

  • Beware of posts that talk about a "buddy" and possibly a brother-in-law and someone who is "in the know" and blah blah. You are about to get your boots covered in manure. Besides, the remark about LHN and SEC was patently wrong, and no one who is "in the know" would have glossed past that.... Never understand why people like to manufacture fabrications and post these dramatic mini-novels.

    OP - try the scout West Viriginia website. They will love you and play with you.

    browncounty

  • SEC third tier will soon be subsumed by the conference for their vertical network. Your scenario would require a carve out for UT and OU. Very unlikely.

    mediaguysf1

  • This stupidity on this thread is absolutely amazing.

    Willow01

  • Willow01 said...

    This stupidity on this thread is absolutely amazing.

    Yep.

    Welcome to the offseason.

    tuco65

  • The SEC has no interest in adding Texas. The SEC will only add schools in new states to expand the footprint. A&M brings us the Texas market. Plus, te decision to add a school has to be unanimous from all member Presidents. If A&M voted no then it's a no-go.

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  • KorbenDallas28228 said...

    You're forgetting the part where aggy now has so much weight to throw around that they would block our move to the SEC.roflmao

    They do. All 14 schools must approve a new member. That is why FSU and Clemson won't get in. Florida won't allow FSU and S. Carolina won't allow Clemson.

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