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Most overrated college basketball coaches

  • Barnes comes in at #2....

    Critical Coaches: Who is the most overrated coach in the country? - CBSSports.com

    CBSSports.com's college basketball quartet spent the July open recruiting period hobnobbing with nearly 100 coaches, brain-picking them on some of college basketball's current issues.

    www.cbssports.com

    NYHorn

  • Ok no way Roy should be on that list. Two NCs case closed. The quote about Howland not being able to win w/out talent is ridiculous. No coach wins without talent. I'm not sure Lavin should be on the list unless your counting his time at UCLA. Who thinks he's a great coach anyway? I agree with the rest of Barnes, Drew etc being extremely overrated.

    Dont believe Boeheim should be on that list either.

    COACH CUTLIP

  • It's funny because this was a coaches' poll...these are what their peers think about them. The quote about Williams being able to win at KU and UNC has no merit in making him overrated....

    NYHorn

  • I think its a poll with two All-time greats (williams and boeheim) and a few guys who are just so-so. Seems silly if you ask me.

    COACH CUTLIP

  • NYHorn said...

    Barnes comes in at #2....

    Other than Scott Drew IMHO not one of those coaches belong on that list.................CBS Sports has an extreme SEC bias and it filters down to everything they do...............

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

    austinr

  • austinr said...

    Other than Scott Drew IMHO not one of those coaches belong on that list.................CBS Sports has an extreme SEC bias and it filters down to everything they do...............

    But they didn't make the list....they polled actual coaches...

    NYHorn

  • I love the quote about Drew though, if Bill Self had that talent he would be winning championships, or getting knocked out in the 1st 2 rounds by double digit seeds.

    NLeininger

  • NYHorn said...

    But they didn't make the list....they polled actual coaches...

    NY...................you and I both know if a question is asked the right way you can get any answer you want. IE "when did you stop beating your wife"............................the fact that Roy Williams is at the top of the list makes it almost laughable................

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

    austinr

  • So go ahead and look at who the underrated coaches are.

    If not for recruiting two of the most sterling classes in the history of recruiting, I suspect Calipari would be on the "overrated" list.

    Self easily makes my top five overall, but I don't think he's underrated.

    Barnes has had a bad stretch, but hopefully he's been learning how to be a target. As an underdog (or, at least, not a favorite), he has done quite well.

    Critical Coaches: Who is the most underrated coach in America? - CBSSports.com

    CBSSports.com spent the July recruiting period hobnobbing with nearly 100 coaches, picking their brain on some of the game's top issues. We promised them anonymity, and in exchange, they gave us honest answers Over the next three weeks, we'll be putting one question per weekday and giving you the results.

    www.cbssports.com

    “Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11

    Bob in Houston

  • austinr said...

    NY...................you and I both know if a question is asked the right way you can get any answer you want. IE "when did you stop beating your wife"............................the fact that Roy Williams is at the top of the list makes it almost laughable................

    I agree with that, regarding Williams, but Barnes took three hard falls from 2009 to 2011 when he was reaching for the brass ring. Last year actually went pretty well considering how it could have gone.

    What I see in that "overrated" list is, "Boy, if I had the talent Williams and Barnes get, I'd never miss the Final Four." Or something like that.

    “Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11

    Bob in Houston

  • Bob in Houston said...

    I agree with that, regarding Williams, but Barnes took three hard falls from 2009 to 2011 when he was reaching for the brass ring. Last year actually went pretty well considering how it could have gone.

    What I see in that "overrated" list is, "Boy, if I had the talent Williams and Barnes get, I'd never miss the Final Four." Or something like that.

    Exactly....it's a list of good recruiters...

    NYHorn

  • The bang for his buck was there four seasons ago. He's lost that and it's time to get that back.

    Beast 512

  • NYHorn said...

    Exactly....it's a list of good recruiters...

    Good point

    COACH CUTLIP

  • My question about this poll is who do the coaches think rates Barnes so highly that he should be considered overrated? I think one would be hard pressed to find anyone outside of a Texas fan who considers Barnes to be in the top 20 of college coaches, and yet he has managed 17 straight trips to the NCAA tournament with very few NBA caliber players playing a full two years for the program.

    bierce

  • Rick will be fine I believe with the next couple recruiting classes.
    More high basketball IQ players will make him look better.

    And I believe Rick is one of those guys who "really" could care less about this shit.
    He truly doesn't where as guy like Scott Drew is taking freaking Gary Parrish voodoo dolls and will be stabbing them all night probably.

    Those coaches voting are in the back of their Lexus on the phone making deals for AAU coaches $5000 to carry water bottles at their "elite" camps.
    And remember I criticize Barnes more than anybody probably.

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    clacknasty

  • How any coach at Kentucky can make an under rated poll is just beyond me. Of all the polls I have seen this one- both over rated and under rated- this one is just Aggie.

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    You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Never trust a man who only knows how to spell a word one way. Andrew Jackson

    JFrankWebb

  • bierce said...

    My question about this poll is who do the coaches think rates Barnes so highly that he should be considered overrated? I think one would be hard pressed to find anyone outside of a Texas fan who considers Barnes to be in the top 20 of college coaches, and yet he has managed 17 straight trips to the NCAA tournament with very few NBA caliber players playing a full two years for the program.

    Love the way you added two years.bow

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    You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Never trust a man who only knows how to spell a word one way. Andrew Jackson

    JFrankWebb

  • J. Frank Webb said...

    Love the way you added two years.bow

    By my reckoning they would be:

    Ford (NBA starter, might have made an all-star team had he not been injured)
    Augustin (NBA starter)
    James
    Hamilton
    Gibson
    Ivey
    Mihm (way back when)
    Pittman
    Tucker (maybe, if he sticks with Phoenix)
    Thomas (played in 33 games)

    That is a total of three lottery picks who played two full years for Barnes. With the exception of Mihm, any lottery caliber player who played as a sophomore for Barnes made it at least to the Elite Eight (Ford, Aldridge, Augustin).

    Barnes didn't solve the collapse in 2010. He didn't get the team out of Tulsa in 2011 and contributed to the debacle of the last few seconds against Arizona. He deserves criticism for those two failures, but he gets it. He gets it a lot. He gets it almost to the point where those shortcomings are all people associate with Barnes. He deserves the criticism for those recent poor season endings, but he doesn't deserve to be thought of only in terms of those recent tournament losses.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by bierce on 8/8/2012 at 4:07 PM

    bierce

  • clacknasty said...

    And I believe Rick is one of those guys who "really" could care less about this shit.

    I agree.....................one of the reasons I like Barnes. Some other coaches at Texas would be calling a press conference to debate the "facts". I don't think I've ever seen a coach (Barnes) that is more "centered" in most phases of his life.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by austinr on 8/8/2012 at 5:24 PM

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

    austinr

  • austinr said...

    I agree.....................one of the reasons I like Barnes. Some other coaches at Texas would be calling a press conference to debate the "facts". I don't think I've ever seen a coach (Barnes) that is more "centered" in most phases of his life.

    RB may be centered but he also has been a closed-minded control freak. Sometimes when you don't care what other people think, it's because you think you have all the answers.

    “Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11

    Bob in Houston

  • In order to be "overrated", that means people think you are a good coach....Scott Drew isn't even a good coach.

    IMO, Barnes is really being slammed for the 2009 & 2010 seasons...24
    & 28 win seasons respectively (think about that for a second). Both seasons ended on disappointing
    1 point losses. Yes those 2 teams had a ton of young NBA talent, but
    they also suffered from bad chemistry and poor/negative senior
    leadership.

    But being in the coaching profession myself (15 years on the HS level), I can tell you that Barnes has built a very, very good consistent winning program that very few have matched over the past 15 years.

    How many coaches in the nation have won an average of 24 game/year over a 14 year span and made the NCAA's each year?

    Not very many at all.

    A lot of the "great" coaches ahead of Barnes have faired very well in Elite Eights, Final Fours, etc....BUT...they've also completely missed making the NCAA's as well from time to time. What the hell has Ben Howland done the last 4 years at UCLA...for UCLA standards, he's completely sucked ass. What about Jim Boeheim at Syracuse? Some great seasons for sure, but they also went to the NIT teams 3 times in the 2000's. I could certainly list many others as well.

    Why are they given free passes to have losing seasons and not make the NCAA's?

    It's almost like a lot of the "great coaches" that are ahead of Barnes are given free passes for a few sh*tty seasons just because they've made it the Final Four a couple of more times.

    To me, it's pretty funny when a "bad" season around here is a 20-24 win season and a 1st/2nd round NCAA exit.

    horn1chris

  • Bob in Houston said...

    RB may be centered but he also has been a closed-minded control freak. Sometimes when you don't care what other people think, it's because you think you have all the answers.

    I know "closed minded" is a knock and not saying it isn't true some of the time but think about this a closed minded person doesn't spend the summer with Bobby Knight and Jerry Sloan. In addition a closed minded person doesn't hire a high profile assistant like Lanier............if he is not willing to listen to him.

    This post was edited by austinr on 8/9/2012 at 3:45 PM

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

    austinr

  • In order to be "overrate", he would have to be highly thought of by some. Right now, I'm not sure if too many thinks of Barnes as an elite coach.

    "Ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free"

    TexShoe