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Mack coming back for just 2011 doesn't make sense to me

  • El Gato, you always seem to be beating one dead horse or another. Mack Brown could have a full labotomy and he would still know more about football than you. Or just about anyone else on this board for that matter.

    This post was edited by NCypress on 12/10/2010 at 1:30 PM

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  • etexhorn22 said...

    And if we would have blocked the punt we would all be saying it was a brilliant call. As i recall there wasnt a lot of time left and it wasnt so much of a bad call as a miscue by the player. Hard to blame that on coaching. the coaching miscue was to ever start Simms in the game.

    What etex said!

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  • etexhorn22 said...

    the coaching miscue was to ever start Simms in the game.

    Absolutely not. Simms had had a great year and gave no indications of that occurring. Simms was a much better player than anyone gives him credit for, and going into that game no one was questioning that decision. In fact, he was coming off a Kansas game where the questions post game were (from the media) about him possibly going pro.

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  • I don't think you will find a lot of support for that point of view.

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  • I don't think you will find a lot of support for that point of view.

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  • etexhorn22 said...

    I don't think you will find a lot of support for that point of view.

    Its revisionist history to say there was a QB controversy by the end of the 2001 season. Simms was the guy and everyone was happy with him starting going into that game. The reason I will not find a lot of support is a lot of longhorn fans do not remember correctly or flat won't allow themselves to admit how things actually were going into that game.

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  • I admit I am one who misremembers then.

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  • etexhorn22 said...

    I admit I am one who misremembers then.

    Check the stats for the year...Applewhite had hardly played (no meaningfull snaps) and we were on a huge winning streak where Simms had played well in every game. The only game Simms had played only mediocre in was the ATM game, where we were in command the whole game via Cedric. The rest of the games he had great stats. Going into Colorado, the QB controversy was long over and most fans had settled down to accept Simms as the best option.

    Then that game happened, and everyone overreacted, saying they were Applewhite people all along and it was a huge mistake, etc. Only after the COlorado game, did starting Simms going into that game, become defined as a mistake.

    El Gato

  • Not my intent to trash Simms. I remember OU ands lots of passes batted down at the line all year. We can't go back and revise but damn I would liked to have seen Major earlier in the game.

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  • etexhorn22 said...

    Not my intent to trash Simms. I remember OU ands lots of passes batted down at the line all year. We can't go back and revise but damn I would liked to have seen Major earlier in the game.

    Many times I have posted this but not on this forum. I knew and still know the doctors who helped Major come back from injury. Major was not physically able to play the whole season. Just a fact that it was Major's health that had Chris starting that season. Major had a few games left in him but not a whole season. I loved Applewhite as a qb ad the UT offense when he was running it. That was Greg Davis at his finest.

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  • El Gato said...

    Check the stats for the year...Applewhite had hardly played (no meaningfull snaps) and we were on a huge winning streak where Simms had played well in every game. The only game Simms had played only mediocre in was the ATM game, where we were in command the whole game via Cedric. The rest of the games he had great stats. Going into Colorado, the QB controversy was long over and most fans had settled down to accept Simms as the best option.

    Then that game happened, and everyone overreacted, saying they were Applewhite people all along and it was a huge mistake, etc. Only after the COlorado game, did starting Simms going into that game, become defined as a mistake.

    Gato is correct. There was no real QB controversy heading into the CU game.

    There was one after it, albeit for a single game.

    Where I disagree with Gato is I'm not sure how anyone can blame the CU loss on the roughing the punter call, when Simms may have had his worst game ever as a Longhorn.

    If Texas wasn't down by three or four scores to end the first half, they wouldn't have had to come back at the end.

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    Gato is correct. There was no real QB controversy heading into the CU game.

    There was one after it, albeit for a single game.

    Where I disagree with Gato is I'm not sure how anyone can blame the CU loss on the roughing the punter call, when Simms may have had his worst game ever as a Longhorn.

    If Texas wasn't down by three or four scores to end the first half, they wouldn't have had to come back at the end.

    The way I look at it, the comeback was complete at that point. We were goign to win. yea, nothign is certain, but Colorado was in free fall, and we were the superior team. They were in panic mode after the fake punt pick six and their defense was in a horrible mix of prevent in the back 7 and roller skates on the front 4.

    The crowd was 90% Texas and going nuts. Colorado had no confidence left and I would have bet any amount of money our offense woudl have moved the ball for a score on that possession.

    As bad as the Simms start was, we had recovered from it. The game was ours. We took an unnecessary risk and sealed it for them.

    El Gato

  • BobbyBurton said...

    Gato is correct. There was no real QB controversy heading into the CU game.

    There was one after it, albeit for a single game.

    Where I disagree with Gato is I'm not sure how anyone can blame the CU loss on the roughing the punter call, when Simms may have had his worst game ever as a Longhorn.

    If Texas wasn't down by three or four scores to end the first half, they wouldn't have had to come back at the end.

    I sure don't mean to rag Chris either. I appreciate him coming here. It simply was as Bobby said the worst game of his career. And make no mistake - that was a meltdown for the ages!

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  • To your point, Texas would have never been at that point in the first place if Simms doesn't implode in the first half.

    Spin that how you want, but Simms' play may have been the only reason Texas was in the come-from-behind situation in the first place.

    This post was edited by BobbyBurton on 12/10/2010 at 4:01 PM

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  • El Gato said...

    The way I look at it, the comeback was complete at that point. We were goign to win. yea, nothign is certain, but Colorado was in free fall, and we were the superior team. They were in panic mode after the fake punt pick six and their defense was in a horrible mix of prevent in the back 7 and roller skates on the front 4.

    The crowd was 90% Texas and going nuts. Colorado had no confidence left and I would have bet any amount of money our offense woudl have moved the ball for a score on that possession.

    As bad as the Simms start was, we had recovered from it. The game was ours. We took an unnecessary risk and sealed it for them.

    We went for the throat... the kid just made a mIstake. Should never have been in that deep of a hole to start with.

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  • Geez while I appreciate the football knowledge and debate skills I am wondering what most of the posts have to do with Mack not coming back after 2011?
    Is Chris going to be our new co offensive cordinator?hijack

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  • I remember a little more controversy on Simms vs Applewhite than you guys. But there is no question Simms puts us in a hole and Major almost brought us back. A nice moment in history when Major pointed at the Colorado bench. Almost but not quite on the come back. Just can't fault the punt block attempt.

    etexhorn22

  • Not totally a hijacked thread. The debate was how stupid Mack was for calling for a punt block. And to your other question I would take Chris over GD. Just kidding but I am sure Chris had his frustrations with Davis.

    etexhorn22

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