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Mack, Davis today on why Case McCoy didn't play against KSU...

  • Both coaches basically said the same thing today about why Case McCoy didn't come into the game for Garrett Gilbert. They said they decided they wanted to get McCoy in with 7 minutes to go in the game but he wasn't loose, so they let Gilbert start the drive. Davis said he even got on the headset with Gilbert and told him that McCoy would be going in, but that didn't happen.

    As the drive went on, Gilbert and the offense were moving the ball and they said that they didn't want to take Gilbert out when he was in the midst of a good drive.

    Mack said today that they feel Gilbert gives them the best chance to win.

    Davis said he talked with both quarterbacks yesterday and Gilbert understood why they wanted to get McCoy in, and likewise McCoy said he understood why he didn't get in the game.

    Jeff Howe

  • An explanation that only goes to show that the coaching staff is not thinking ahead. When Texas was down 39 points with a minute to go in the third quarter, the coaching staff had no valid reason not to already have decided to get McCoy ready to go in on command. They could have rationally withheld the command, but there is no reason not to have the player ready.

    Before Texas started its first scoring drive, Gilbert was 4-11 for 20 yards with 2 INT in the third quarter. Mack also said he didn't want to send a bad message by benching Gilbert. The guy was 4-11 for 20 yards with 2 INT and the coach is worried about sending a bad message?

    OK, so you let Gilbert have his scoring drive for confidence. Such drive was completed with 13 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. Texas gets the ball back with ten minutes to go and down by 32. That was already 6 minutes of game time plus the period break for McCoy to get ready. Texas gets one first down and punts. Texas forces a three and out and gets the ball with 7 minutes to go.

    Nine minutes of game time and a period break and McCoy wasn't loose?

    I call bullcrap. The coaching staff simply didn't consider it until too late, so they missed a perfect opportunity to get some game time for the back up QB. These after the game justifications make little sense and only point to the lack of any foresight.

    This post was edited by bierce on 11/8/2010 at 4:39 PM

    bierce

  • bierce said...

    An explanation that only goes to show that the coaching staff is not thinking ahead. When Texas was down 39 points with a minute to go in the third quarter, the coaching staff had no valid reason not to already have decided to get McCoy ready to go in on command. They could have rationally withheld the command, but there is no reason not to have the player ready.

    Before Texas started its first scoring drive, Gilbert was 4-11 for 20 yards with 2 INT in the third quarter. Mack also said he didn't want to send a bad message by benching Gilbert. The guy was 4-11 for 20 yards with 2 INT and the coach is worried about sending a bad message?

    OK, so you let Gilbert have his scoring drive for confidence. Such drive was completed with 13 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. Texas gets the ball back with ten minutes to go and down by 32. That was already 6 minutes of game time plus the period break for McCoy to get ready. Texas gets one first down and punts. Texas forces a three and out and gets the ball with 7 minutes to go.

    Nine minutes of game time and a period break and McCoy wasn't loose?

    I call bullcrap. The coaching staff simply didn't consider it until too late, so they missed a perfect opportunity to get some game time for the back up QB. These after the game justifications make little sense and only point to the lack of any foresight.

    look no further than last year's Big 12 title game to see that coaches on this offensive staff can't think ahead.

    I remember thinking the same thing in the Big 12 title game in 2001 when they called for a blocked punt after Texas was moving the ball so well on offense.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by el mahico on 11/8/2010 at 4:54 PM

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    el mahico

  • I remember thinking the same thing in the Big 12 title game in 2001 when they called for a blocked punt after Texas was moving the ball so well on offense.

    The often forgotten aspect of that game. If we just punt call a punt return, we win that game; no doubt in my mind.

    El Gato

  • What about sending the message to the rest of the team that if you don't perform, you get pulled? Sorry, but GG had more completions to KSU than the KSU QB...@ some point, Mack has to think about the confidence in GG from the other players

    mcb0703

  • I, for one, don't buy the "Case wasn't loose" stance. I think that is coach speak. I think they are scared to death of putting Case in a game because he will stink it up. They were just crossing their fingers and hoping Gilbert wouldn't throw INTs 6 & 7. They got what they wanted there and had to say something about not putting in Case. "Case wasn't loose" popped out of Mack's mouth, and that's what they're rolling with from there.

    Signatures are stupid. You should block them.

    JKates

  • JKates said...

    I, for one, don't buy the "Case wasn't loose" stance. I think that is coach speak. I think they are scared to death of putting Case in a game because he will stink it up. They were just crossing their fingers and hoping Gilbert wouldn't throw INTs 6 & 7. They got what they wanted there and had to say something about not putting in Case. "Case wasn't loose" popped out of Mack's mouth, and that's what they're rolling with from there.

    I so don't want to agree with you. But then I do. So it sucks.

    Herkie

  • JKates said...

    I, for one, don't buy the "Case wasn't loose" stance. I think that is coach speak. I think they are scared to death of putting Case in a game because he will stink it up. They were just crossing their fingers and hoping Gilbert wouldn't throw INTs 6 & 7. They got what they wanted there and had to say something about not putting in Case. "Case wasn't loose" popped out of Mack's mouth, and that's what they're rolling with from there.

    So put him out there to hand off in the running game or run it himself or have him throw the ubiquitous flanker screen or whatever. Just get him snaps.

    What happens if Gilbert goes out with an injury? McCoy has to play. There is no sense in having him never see the field before he has to be thrown into a one score game because Gilbert got concussed or suffered a broken arm or something. Is there a college coach anywhere that doesn't look for opportunities to get back up qbs SOME playing time in zero pressure situations? Other than Austin (or Norman when Stoops feels BCS points are at stake), I mean.

    bierce

  • Do you think Mack was more afraid he would stink or have success?

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    jmftexas

  • JKates said...

    I, for one, don't buy the "Case wasn't loose" stance. I think that is coach speak. I think they are scared to death of putting Case in a game because he will stink it up. They were just crossing their fingers and hoping Gilbert wouldn't throw INTs 6 & 7. They got what they wanted there and had to say something about not putting in Case. "Case wasn't loose" popped out of Mack's mouth, and that's what they're rolling with from there.

    1000% correct.

    perhaps the lamest excuse i've ever heard.

    if gilbert had been injured, what would mack and greg have done? getting loose consists of mccoy throwing 5 passes on the sideline to a walkon and running onto the field.

    this is just as lame as "we really want to play player x" - it is feckless excuse making. just sack up and say "yes, garrett was playing terribly but he's our quarterback and case isnt ready" or "we arent going to play darius white because we cant count on him to run the right routes" instead of the transparent excuses.

    echeese

  • If McCoy is so hopeless 9 games into the season that the coaching staff can't let him see the field without suffering humiliating embarrassment, then the coaching staff should have had a different player at #2 in the depth chart several games ago, and that player should have been on the field in the fourth quarter Saturday.

    I understand the offense today is a lot more complicated than 30 years ago, but if the team is so ill-prepared that it can't bring a second quarterback into the game, that's a frightening indictment of the coaches.

    bierce

  • You'd think with the salaries paid by the University, we could hire people who would come up with a more credible storyline than that.

    They don't even realize their cover story is an indictment of their coaching and lack of preparation and foresight this year.

    I think now I'm in the "let's try a new regime" camp. The game has passed them by.

    This above all: to thine own self be true - Shakespeare

    ghostofbevo

  • jmftexas said...

    Do you think Mack was more afraid he would stink or have success?

    I agree. Mack wants all four guys in during the spring for competition. If Case came in and played well and Woods or Gilbert or both left....

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    ut755

  • jmftexas said...

    Do you think Mack was more afraid he would stink or have success?

    I don't think he was remotely worried about having success.

    Signatures are stupid. You should block them.

    JKates

  • ghostofbevo said...

    You'd think with the salaries paid by the University, we could hire people who would come up with a more credible storyline than that.

    They don't even realize their cover story is an indictment of their coaching and lack of preparation and foresight this year.

    I think now I'm in the "let's try a new regime" camp. The game has passed them by.

    I will take 25% of GD's salary right now just to make up plausibly deniable BS that isn't also completely incriminating. Saying that they couldn't get hime warm is saying, "I am incompetent," or "I am a liar."

    I would be fantastic at this job.

    El General

  • JKates said...

    I don't think he was remotely worried about having success.

    Agree, the fact is I think Case was a legacy guy and it is clear to me they redshirted the guy who had the bigger upside (as I would have). We should have had Sherrod back and this is why him quitting was both dumb on his part and bad for us as a team. I am not one of those that admired his move, as he was "focusing on school and his family". It was clear to me he was quitting.

    That's his right to do, but I did not and do not admire his move to do so. he may be starting at this point in the season. And while I doubt he would have been great, he may have been solid for us. Got us to a bowl game.

    El Gato

  • bierce said...

    An explanation that only goes to show that the coaching staff is not thinking ahead. When Texas was down 39 points with a minute to go in the third quarter, the coaching staff had no valid reason not to already have decided to get McCoy ready to go in on command. They could have rationally withheld the command, but there is no reason not to have the player ready.

    Before Texas started its first scoring drive, Gilbert was 4-11 for 20 yards with 2 INT in the third quarter. Mack also said he didn't want to send a bad message by benching Gilbert. The guy was 4-11 for 20 yards with 2 INT and the coach is worried about sending a bad message?

    OK, so you let Gilbert have his scoring drive for confidence. Such drive was completed with 13 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. Texas gets the ball back with ten minutes to go and down by 32. That was already 6 minutes of game time plus the period break for McCoy to get ready. Texas gets one first down and punts. Texas forces a three and out and gets the ball with 7 minutes to go.

    Nine minutes of game time and a period break and McCoy wasn't loose?

    I call bullcrap. The coaching staff simply didn't consider it until too late, so they missed a perfect opportunity to get some game time for the back up QB. These after the game justifications make little sense and only point to the lack of any foresight.

    The highest paid staff in college football can't think ahead and get the backup QB warmed up? I said this on another thread............. I wonder why Mack thinks the fans and media are so stupid. My question is did anybody in the room stand up with a follow up and say "Bull$hit Mack"?

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

    austinr

  • austinr said...

    My question is did anybody in the room stand up with a follow up and say "Bull$hit Mack"?

    No, becasue they would lose access with too many of those type of questions.

    El Gato

  • austinr said...

    The highest paid staff in college football can't think ahead and get the backup QB warmed up? I said this on another thread............. I wonder why Mack thinks the fans and media are so stupid. My question is did anybody in the room stand up with a follow up and say "Bull$hit Mack"?

    That's definitely an eye opening/jaw dropping comment. I mean it's either them admitting that they might be the dumbest coaching staff in the history of college football (even Les Miles is somewhere saying, "wtf was that?!") or they play this amusing game where they lay out the biggest turd of a comment they can and see if everyone buys it.

    groly

  • Case McCoy was a bad offer, especially considering the Connor Wood was in the same class as him. Maybe if Mack and Greg would actually play their backup QBs in real game action, the decent ones wouldn't transfer 1 year into their tenures on campus.

    I still can't believe Matt Nordgren never transferred.

    Personally, if I was coaching I would use the Rice, Wyoming, and FAUs to split the qb play 75-25 throughout the entire game. Every 4th series the backup would come in with the 1st team offense. Then later, the starter would be playing with the 2nd team offense at the same 75-25 split. During conference play if I got 5 TDs, the backup QB would come into play until the lead was back under 4 TDs.

    If you are really worried about qb controversies, then stop listening to talk radio.

    NLeininger

  • If you believe Case was a bad get, then Colt was a bad get. I really respect and like this board, but we are going overboard with the hindsight on recruits.

    rantanamo

  • NLeininger said...

    Case McCoy was a bad offer, especially considering the Connor Wood was in the same class as him. Maybe if Mack and Greg would actually play their backup QBs in real game action, the decent ones wouldn't transfer 1 year into their tenures on campus.

    I still can't believe Matt Nordgren never transferred.

    Personally, if I was coaching I would use the Rice, Wyoming, and FAUs to split the qb play 75-25 throughout the entire game. Every 4th series the backup would come in with the 1st team offense. Then later, the starter would be playing with the 2nd team offense at the same 75-25 split. During conference play if I got 5 TDs, the backup QB would come into play until the lead was back under 4 TDs.

    If you are really worried about qb controversies, then stop listening to talk radio.

    I like McCoy as the second QB to go with Wood in the class.

    There's a reason Oklahoma, Notre Dame and LSU among others wanted Wood as their first guy.

    Also, on McCoy, Florida and Florida State both showed a lot of interest. That means something to me.

    Jeff Howe

  • Mack's proven he doesn't handle QB controversy well; if you only play one there is never any controversy.

    Goo

  • Goo said...

    Mack's proven he doesn't handle QB controversy well; if you only play one there is never any controversy.

    That is pathetic. Its true, but still pathetic. He is paid $5MM a year to make tough decisions and hurt peoples feelings. His aversion to controversy cost us the 2006 conference title too.

    El Gato

  • Jeff Howe said...

    I like McCoy as the second QB to go with Wood in the class.

    There's a reason Oklahoma, Notre Dame and LSU among others wanted Wood as their first guy.

    Also, on McCoy, Florida and Florida State both showed a lot of interest. That means something to me.

    Jeff how many times did you see Wood in HS? He played my son's HS 2 years in a row in a scrimmage ............everything I have seen with Connor is he looks great getting off of the bus but doesn't make plays.

    "Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"

    austinr