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Mack Brown sends injured Iowa St. linebacker Jake Knott a letter

  • JeezGuy said...

    How familiar are you with Arkansas exactly. I mean outside of this season. Apparently not much.

    Cannot argue differently about the LSU coach. He gave away the game last week but what their record has to do with anything is beyond me.

    Maurice Smith says hi. He looks forward to playing for Nick. But if Bama picks up a few, LSU picks up a few, Florida picks up a few, Arkansas picks up a few then toss in Oregon and USC and when you add it up you suddenly have a shit storm. Unlike when Baylor or Tech or Aggy pick up a few because they arent getting the same recruits.

    You must not remember when Texas kids were running to places like South Bend, Tallahassee, Miami, and Gainesville. Yes it was 20 years ago but that doesn't mean it won't happen again.

    If you are living in the present why do you keep bringing up prior recruiting classes, prior recruits, records from years ago.

    Never said I didn't like the coach thats your presumption. I defended him for years but facts are facts. He has historically recruited well by building up relationships with HS coaches, winning games and closing down the border. He still has the relationships with coaches.

    Familar with Arkansas? Well, beyond the fact that their head coach thinks that they are located in Alabama... Harley Davidson is the preferred sponsor of the football program, and I wouldn't want my wife working in the AD department? Not a lot. Oh yea, there is the fact that they are 21-56 against UT and this year hold a 4-5 record while losing at home to La.-Monroe. That, and they were expected to be a top 5 team, but instead are at the very bottom of the National Rankings. Damn... i feel like I'm beating a kid with down syndrome with a wet sock. I digress. Arky is a legit program... and one that all pig farmers should be proud of.

    The "record" has a lot to do with everything. You speak as if UT is on the brink of disaster (we'll refer to it as being Arkansas) yet the team that you promote as a potential "threat" on the recruiting front has the exact same record.

    And, I do in fact remember when recruits were leaving the state to play at Miami, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc... That is EXACTLY why we need Mack to continue to keep the buzzards at bay. Mack shows no signs of slowing down on the recruiting front. He's still bringing in top 5 classes every year (even after the 5-7 debacle)...

    Moreover, I am bringing up the fact that our CURRENT (2013) class is the best in the conference, and the talent for such a small class is comparable to any other schools. I am bringing up our CURRENT record as very solid, and our CURRENT coach as a recruiting wizard. Check your facts... you're the one talking about historical issues. Otherwise, you wouldn't have brought up Arky. What, have they had 1 single year of being good? Last year!

    chupita

  • JeezGuy said...

    How familiar are you with Arkansas exactly. I mean outside of this season. Apparently not much.

    Cannot argue differently about the LSU coach. He gave away the game last week but what their record has to do with anything is beyond me.

    Maurice Smith says hi. He looks forward to playing for Nick. But if Bama picks up a few, LSU picks up a few, Florida picks up a few, Arkansas picks up a few then toss in Oregon and USC and when you add it up you suddenly have a shit storm. Unlike when Baylor or Tech or Aggy pick up a few because they arent getting the same recruits.

    You must not remember when Texas kids were running to places like South Bend, Tallahassee, Miami, and Gainesville. Yes it was 20 years ago but that doesn't mean it won't happen again.

    If you are living in the present why do you keep bringing up prior recruiting classes, prior recruits, records from years ago.

    Never said I didn't like the coach thats your presumption. I defended him for years but facts are facts. He has historically recruited well by building up relationships with HS coaches, winning games and closing down the border. He still has the relationships with coaches.

    You don't have to go back 20 years. You just have to go back to before Mack Brown became the head coach. Here is the 1996 list (couldn't find 1997):

    Player High School Pos. College
    1. Odell James Aldine MacArthur QB Baylor
    2. Damione Lewis Sulphur Springs DL Miami
    3. Cedric Woodard Sweeny DL Texas
    4. Elijah Burkins PA Jefferson RB Baylor
    5. Grady Brooks Dallas Lincoln LB Michigan

    6. Cornelius Burton Houston Lamar DL Oklahoma
    7. Reggie Hunt Denison DB TCU
    8. Tommy Hendricks Aldine Eisenhower DB Michigan
    9. Chris Valleta Plano OL Texas A&M
    10. Marcus Stiggers Lake Highlands ATH Colorado

    11. Jesse Warren Dallas Carter DL Colorado
    12. Marcus Sanders Mesquite DL Houston
    13. Derrick Curry Houston Jones DL Texas
    14. Reginald Durden Sam Houston ATH Fla. State
    15. Mike Green Klein FB Blinn JC

    16. Roger Roesler Round Rock OL Texas
    17. Kenneth Davis Houston Washington WR Houston
    18. Joe Walker Arlington Lamar DB Baylor
    19. Paul Tannous Cypress Creek OL Michigan
    20. Tyson Wilson Dallas Kimball RB Baylor

    21. David Boston Humble WR Ohio State
    22. Chris Thierry Baytown Lee LB Texas A&M
    23. Kwaesi Palmer Sulphur Springs LB Fla. State
    24. Mike Gandy Garland TE Notre Dame
    25. Joe D. Hubbard Hooks OL Texas
    26. Ketric Sanford Corsicana Houston
    27. Aaron Wright FM Marcus WR Michigan
    28. Tony Ellis Brownsville RB Texas
    29. Bryan Smith Tatum LB Arkansas
    30. David Leaverton Midland PK Tennessee

    31. Derrion Yates Houston Washington DL LSU
    32. Greg Robinson OL Oklahoma
    33. Steven Young Jefferson NG Texas A&M
    34. Darrell Bush Jersey Village RB Baylor
    35. Robert Neal Garland Lakeview DB Baylor

    36. Justin Thomas Plano East DB Okla. State
    37. Eddrick Brooks Aldine LB Baylor
    38. Ryan Nunez Westlake RB Colorado
    39. Aaron Humphrey Lubbock Monterrey DL Texas
    40. Eric Denmon Dallas Carter OL USC

    41. Steve Kelly Burleson QB Miami
    42. Mike Garcia Deer Park OL Texas
    43. Jeff Wilson Temple DB Texas A&M
    44. Randy Garner Atlanta DL Arkansas
    45. Derek Dorsey Cedar Hill DB Oklahoma

    46. Alvin Porter Dallas Adamson WR Okla. State
    47. Adam Wescott Conroe McCullough TE Virginia
    48. Clint Stoerner Baytown Lee QB Arkansas
    49. Ronnie Nicks Kilgore DB Notre Dame
    50. Donald McCowen Dallas Carter DB Texas

    51. Ellis Cotton Sherman DL Baylor
    52. Justin Ferrell Mission Sharyland DL Nebraska
    53. Jason Webster Willowridge WR Texas A&M
    54. Idris Haroon Alief Hastings LB Arizona
    55. Delvin Wright Lancaster DB Texas A&M

    VaHorn

  • OMG! Is this thread still going on! Hang in there Chupita. You'll eventually wear them down.

    This post was edited by TeeDoe on 11/7/2012 at 3:47 PM

    TeeDoe

  • tdou462 said...

    OMG! Is this thread still going on! Hang in there Chupita. You'll eventually wear them down.

    +1... I don't know. Now we are talking about how badass Arkansas is and how they are going to steal recruits from UT.

    This one could be in for the long run.

    chupita

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  • chupita said...

    +1... I don't know. Now we are talking about how badass Arkansas is and how they are going to steal recruits from UT.

    This one could be in for the long run.

    Maybe y'all can find something to agree on. How about this - aggies suck!

    TeeDoe

  • tdou462 said...

    Maybe y'all can find something to agree on. How about this - aggies suck!

    I don't concern myself with teams that aren't on our schedule. Besides, ignoring them is far more intolerable as most Aggies' ultimate goal in life is to fight for our mind share and prove to us that they matter.

    "Ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free"

    TexShoe

  • chupita said...

    +1... I don't know. Now we are talking about how badass Arkansas is and how they are going to steal recruits from UT.

    This one could be in for the long run.

    You brought up Arkansas. All I said was badass arkansas was very badass under Petrino, considered a NC contender and 3rd best team in the sec behind Bama and LSU before the implosion. You point to this year as a reason why no one would want to go there but do so with zero knowledge of who the next coach will be or whether recruits would be interested. Your ignorance knows no bounds.

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  • close to jumping said...

    My life as a Texas fan doesn't revolve around beating OU. It's just important, and unlike you, Mack Brown, and the staff and players he's also indoctrinated into his idiotic line of thinking, I value wins against OU and seeing a competitive rivalry. You don't. You can say what you like, but your actions speak otherwise and they do so much more loudly. Attempting to poo poo the perennial gang rape is nothing short of sabotage to the program if you care at all.

    You guys are all living in fantasyland if you think things are ok. You are choosing to ignore a number of systemic problems and indicators. This recruiting class is going to get worse. Not better, worse. The recruiting magic from 2010 isn't going to be there, especially when Applewhite takes another job. Why would he do that? Well, if you follow Mack Brown as closely as you think you do, you know fully well he doesn't puff up coaches out of the blue for nothing. Brown's embarrassing elation after beating a mediocre Tech team and hugging players and Dodds should tell you something as well. Seeing the boards flooded with Bellmont trolls. Beating KU by 4. Bragging on tight wins against a 1-7 team and a 3-3 team, at the time of the wins. Continuing to insist that OU is just another game. You are lost if you think this apparent return to dominance is just around the bend.

    You remind me of the "trust Mack and Greg" clowns when some of us were worrying over the laziness being exhibited in the recruiting classes of 2006-2009.

    ISU and TCU are decent teams, guys. Texas treated Tech like a Super Bowl. They're going to have to get up for these as well and they're going to have to show something more than they've shown all year on defense against the opponent after that, in Manhattan, on national tv. 7-2 turns to 8-4 real quick, although no doubt there will be plenty of you here to tell us all why that is awesome and a-ok and wait till next year.

    The difference in the fan divide is that one group is in love, fatally, with being good. Add "classy" to that and that group shits itself in glee. On the other side sits everyone else, and they see that this program can be great. By great, I mean regularly winning conference championships, beating OU regularly, and playing for NTs every 2nd or 3rd year. That group understands that Texas has every single possible resource required for success in college football and that recruiting and talent is a part of those resources, not something for which Mack Brown is deserving of enormous praise. The chasm will never be crossed, but I enjoy laughing at all of you who sit on the other side and yap to each other about the classiness of losing by 40+ to Bob Stoops and the brigands up north.


    Just going back through some things, actually trying to find the 2010 and very early 2011 threads where the debate raged over whether Brown could manage a turnaround or not, and why or why not, and this is one of the threads I've come across so far. Unfortunately the search mechanism on this site sucks or I'd have already found the stuff I was looking for.

    Anyway, I am quoting myself for truth. Deal with it. MA wasn't the guy who left, but the point stands and the rest reads like a prophecy. And the entire premise of this thread still makes me want to vomit, as do the Mack Brown apologists all over the thread.

    close to jumping

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