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Mack Brown

  • How much longer are you guys willing to give him? I think he is a great coach. I would hang onto him for years.

    http://juniordsports.com/hit-the-road-jack/

    ZigNutz

  • Chicoman

  • No offense, but I'm guessing the OP is a Sooner or from another fan base. They'd all love to see Mack hang out for several more years. It's not like Mack hasn't had time to turn things around and unfortunately the issues in the past 3 years were all on his watch which started in 1998. He's done great things and raised the bar, but my opinion is we need a fresh start with new energy. We were on the right track by making Muschamp the HCIW, but that slam dunk hire is now leading Florida to a BCS bowl and national championship consideration in just his second season in Gainesville. My hope is we talk to Patterson. He does more with less than just about any coach in the U.S. and he'd absolutely cause Stoops and OU to take notice.

    ATX89

  • ATX89 said...

    No offense, but I'm guessing the OP is a Sooner or from another fan base. They'd all love to see Mack hang out for several more years. It's not like Mack hasn't had time to turn things around and unfortunately the issues in the past 3 years were all on his watch which started in 1998. He's done great things and raised the bar, but my opinion is we need a fresh start with new energy. We were on the right track by making Muschamp the HCIW, but that slam dunk hire is now leading Florida to a BCS bowl and national championship consideration in just his second season in Gainesville. My hope is we talk to Patterson. He does more with less than just about any coach in the U.S. and he'd absolutely cause Stoops and OU to take notice.

    I'm a Buckeye fan. Two national title games, recruits well. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

    ZigNutz

  • ATX89 said...

    No offense, but I'm guessing the OP is a Sooner or from another fan base...

    Nah, just a marketer for his website, looking for some hits ...

    Hook 'Em! ...'til early in the morn.

    atxchip

  • ZigNutz said...

    I'm a Buckeye fan. Two national title games, recruits well. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

    Fair enough and no offense intended, but it's pretty clear that either this year or next, we will need to likely have a change of direction. No guarantee that a new coach will do the trick, but our current trend of beat downs to OU and KState along with a lack of response to A&M's recent successes warrants a change fairly soon. Mack is tired and his staff overhaul isn't getting it done. In hindsight, the biggest mistake we've made was not allowing Muschamp to take over after the 2010 season. Granted, these are all simply my opinions and I can guarandamntee you neither Deloss nor the Big Money Texas Donors are going to be calling me for advice.

    ATX89

  • Very true - we could miss and really send the program spiraling down.

    I say give the guy the chance that we committed too last year. 1 more year and then get Major ready to take over.

    That's just me though...

    chupita

  • chupita said...

    Very true - we could miss and really send the program spiraling down.

    I say give the guy the chance that we committed too last year. 1 more year and then get Major ready to take over.

    That's just me though...

    So the program's not "spiraling down" now?

    mcb0703

  • chupita said...

    Very true - we could miss and really send the program spiraling down.

    I say give the guy the chance that we committed too last year. 1 more year and then get Major ready to take over.

    That's just me though...

    You cant let major take over. Maybe in about 10 years, but not now.

    LonghornMando25

  • LonghornMando25 said...

    You cant let major take over. Maybe in about 10 years, but not now.

    Plus 1

    The Fall of 69

  • mcb0703 said...

    So the program's not "spiraling down" now?

    8-3 and a top 20 program with 19 of 22 starters returning next year? If you consider that "spiraling down"...

    chupita

  • LonghornMando25 said...

    You cant let major take over. Maybe in about 10 years, but not now.

    Why not?

    chupita

  • chupita said...

    8-3 and a top 20 program with 19 of 22 starters returning next year? If you consider that "spiraling down"...

    21-15 overall record, 11-15 conf record, & 3 straight losses to OU, including 2 straight national TV blowout losses is not spiraling up

    Not sure if you realize it (actually, you probably don't), but your criteria of spiraling up would be appropriate for The University of Texas at San Antonio football team...it's certainly not appropriate for The University of Texas at Austin football program

    It's clear Black Shipley, CTJ, JeezGuy & several others on this site were exactly correct about your acceptance of mediocrity for UT

    This post was edited by mcb0703 on 11/30/2012 at 11:46 AM

    mcb0703

  • chupita said...

    Why not?

    What has Major shown that indicates he would be a great head coach, heck I question his ability to be a great oc

    smaxx

  • mcb0703 said...

    21-15 overall record, 11-14 conf record, & 3 straight losses to OU, including 2 straight national TV blowout losses is not spiraling up

    Not sure if you realize it (actually, you probably don't), but your criteria of spiraling up would be appropriate for The University of Texas at San Antonio football team...it's certainly not appropriate for The University of Texas at Austin football program

    It's clear Black Shipley, CTJ, JeezGuy & several others on this site were exactly correct about your acceptance of mediocrity for UT

    LOL! Well, he has still led Texas to the best winning % of any other program since he started coaching in Austin. Has won a NC, and directed his team to another one within 4 years of one another. You fail to look at the entire body of work and focus on only 3 years. Not sure if you realize that (actually, you probably don't)...

    I would challenge you to name 1 other program in a BCS conference that has demonstrated a tradition of winning football games better than Mack since he started at UT. Just one other school that can hang with his record since 98... Just one.

    chupita

  • chupita said...

    8-3 and a top 20 program with 19 of 22 starters returning next year? If you consider that "spiraling down"...

    It's not the number of starters returning its the 1 head coach returning.

    COACH CUTLIP

  • So chupita doesn't want to get rid of Mack because we might miss on our next hire even though there are competent hires out there that could do great things with all the talent and resources we have yet he wants to hand the program over to a guy who's never been a head coach anywhere nor the sole OC at his own program?

    I like Major but he's not ready. Apparently Mack doesn't even think he's ready to be our sole OC.

    mdmost

  • smaxx said...

    What has Major shown that indicates he would be a great head coach, heck I question his ability to be a great oc

    Here's a question for you - would you trust Nick Saban as it relates to making decisions for your football team?

    chupita

  • mdmost said...

    So chupita doesn't want to get rid of Mack because we might miss on our next hire even though there are competent hires out there that could do great things with all the talent and resources we have yet he wants to hand the program over to a guy who's never been a head coach anywhere nor the sole OC at his own program?

    I like Major but he's not ready. Apparently Mack doesn't even think he's ready to be our sole OC.

    Besides Saban, Harbaugh, and Meyer... I don't see a better option available.

    Who? Art Briles? Charlie Strong? Jackie Sherrill?

    Get real... other teams have the same "talent" and "resources" that UT does. I remember when we weren't even a conversation on the national level. I believe it was right before Mack showed up in Austin. And for 20 + years prior.

    chupita

  • chupita said...

    LOL! Well, he has still led Texas to the best winning % of any other program since he started coaching in Austin. Has won a NC, and directed his team to another one within 4 years of one another. You fail to look at the entire body of work and focus on only 3 years. Not sure if you realize that (actually, you probably don't)...

    I would challenge you to name 1 other program in a BCS conference that has demonstrated a tradition of winning football games better than Mack since he started at UT. Just one other school that can hang with his record since 98... Just one.

    OU 1998 - Present = 153-42 (Stoops began @ OU in 1999; record @ OU is 148-36; add in OU record of 5-6 in 1998)
    1 National Championship, 7 Big 12 Titles
    98 Big 12 conf wins, most among any current Big 12 coach
    Salary = $4.3M

    Mack 1998 - Present = 145-40
    1 National Championship, 2 Big 12 Titles
    Salary = $5.1M

    mcb0703

  • Here's one chupita. Bob Stoops at OU is 148-36 (80.4 winning percentage) since he took over at OU in 1999. He's one win shy of Mack. His worst season was his first in 1999 at 7-5. He's been to 3 MNCs, won one, won 7 Big 12 titles. And if you want to tack on 1998 to OU's program in this discussion, they went 5-6. So that means OU's total record since 1998 is 153-42. Mack is 149-42 since 1998.

    This post was edited by mdmost on 11/30/2012 at 12:01 PM

    mdmost

  • chupita said...

    Besides Saban, Harbaugh, and Meyer... I don't see a better option available.

    Who? Art Briles? Charlie Strong? Jackie Sherrill?

    Get real... other teams have the same "talent" and "resources" that UT does. I remember when we weren't even a conversation on the national level. I believe it was right before Mack showed up in Austin. And for 20 + years prior.

    Gary Patterson. David Shaw. Larry Fedora. All have done a lot with a whole lot less than Texas.

    mdmost

  • chupita said...

    Here's a question for you - would you trust Nick Saban as it relates to making decisions for your football team?

    He can't be serious. headslap

    caxinator

  • mcb0703 said...

    OU 1998 - Present = 153-42 (Stoops began @ OU in 1999; record @ OU is 148-36; add in OU record of 5-6 in 1998) 1 National Championship, 7 Big 12 Titles 98 Big 12 conf wins, most among any current Big 12 coach Salary = $4.3M

    Mack 1998 - Present = 145-40 1 National Championship, 2 Big 12 Titles Salary = $5.1M

    So, do you wanna hire Bob Stoops? Is that what you're saying?

    http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/calc-wp.pl?start=1998&end=2011&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&by=Win+Pct

    chupita

  • mdmost said...

    Here's one chupita. Bob Stoops at OU is 148-36 (80.4 winning percentage) since he took over at OU in 1999. He's one win shy of Mack. His worst season was his first in 1999 at 7-5. He's been to 3 MNCs, won one, won 7 Big 12 titles. And if you want to tack on 1998 to OU's program in this discussion, they went 5-6. So that means OU's total record since 1998 is 153-42. Mack is 149-42 since 1998.

    And still has not won a SINGLE National Championship with a team he actually recruited (Bob Stoops)....

    It's also funny that Mack has the same amount of BCS Bowl victories as OU... that's damn funny

    chupita