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Latest Depth Chart - MORE DATA

  • A look at depth by class with 5 yr rolling views and a recruiting/attrition breakdown.

    This is it as best I can tell. Let me know if you see errors. I increased font size, so hopefully more readable.

    The light blue column shows the estimated target number of players at each position UT seems to try to carry.

    The red is interesting as it highlights where the painful gaps in prior years recruiting is.

    The black column is a forecast of likely expected attrition.

    I packed a lot of info into this chart. It is based on BenbrookHorn's original chart, plus enhancements.

    Enjoy.

    This post has been edited 6 times, most recently by jjloehr on 8/14/2011 at 10:04 AM

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  • One interesting aspect that jumps out at you which has been commented on other threads today is the '10 and '11 classes.

    They appear to have 2 to 3 times as many likely NFL prospects as the '08 and '09 classes.

    Just a really big jump up in quality of recruiting.

    Another interesting aspect is to see how difficult of a time we are having replenishing the OL and DB recruiting pipeline.

    This post was edited by jjloehr on 8/10/2011 at 10:54 PM

    jjloehr

  • Haven't seen this in a while. The tweaking looks great and it's really interesting to analyze.

    Incredible how young we are all across OL and DL, WR, and Cornerback.
    And the Safeties are long in the tooth.

    The only positions where we have anything approaching a normal distribution are: QB, RB, TE and LB.

    Oh, one other observation. I can no longer open link in a separate tab or separate window. Previously, that was how I was able to “blow it up” to a size where I could best see it.

    Thanks!

    DRJCPA

  • Great work as usual with the spreadsheets,

    who do you think will play safety in 2012? Looking at the dc, it looks like vacarro might go pro, and brewster would be the only candidate.

    NacHorns

  • NacHorns said...

    Great work as usual with the spreadsheets,

    who do you think will play safety in 2012? Looking at the dc, it looks like vacarro might go pro, and brewster would be the only candidate.

    Yes, I've posted last month that Safety appears it could be in some deep trouble if Vacarro goes pro.

    I think Bryant Jackson made a career ending move by agreeing to go to WR. He will probably never see the field when you look at the guys in the pipeline there. I think there are 8 guys who'll be in front of him.

    My best guess is that they like to move CB's into safety. Most likely candidates:

    Q. Diggs
    A. Phillips
    L. Scott

    And they've still got the great athlete Mykkele Thompson slotted in there. It could be very, very shakey.

    If we think we have issues this year...

    jjloehr

  • I kind of hope they move Jackson back to safety. I'd rather line up Jeremy Hills at wide receiver some if need be. If Scott is really done we are thinner at safety than wr.

    sundancekid

  • DRJCPA,

    Sorry for the hassle.

    I uploaded it differently this time. I'll send a copy to PapaHorn who seems to know who to do this in a better format.

    Also, if you shoot me an email at jjloehr @ pobox . com, I'm glad to share the excel spreadsheet with whomever.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jjloehr on 8/11/2011 at 8:16 PM

    jjloehr

  • Trying to figure out how to print this sucker out!

    Herkie

  • shoot me an email at jjloehr @ pobox . com and I'll send you excel file so you can play with it and print.

    jjloehr

  • Goodwin will still count toward the 85 limit because he played football even though he is fully track now, right?

    everybodygodeep

  • I do not think Goodwin counts for the fall '11. Can a mod confirm?

    jjloehr

  • Here's another interesting way of looking at what it takes to put together an evenly distributed pipeline for Off and Def:

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  • jjloehr said...

    I do not think Goodwin counts for the fall '11. Can a mod confirm?

    It doesn't matter. We're already under the limit for '11, and he's expected back in '12.

    Sessamoid

  • Good point. If correct, we really only have 4 scholarships left for '12, and should focus solely on OL, DE, and DB

    jjloehr

  • Okay, more info to beef up the conversation and stop talking/reading about A&M!!!

    Take a look at this. I've heard it said 2006 or 2007 recruiting years really hurt us. I got all the data for incoming recruits, and then downloaded all the Big 12 conference awards for the corresponding years.

    I award like this for conference awards:
    1 point = freshman of the year
    2 points = third team and or honorable mention
    3 points = second team
    4 points = first team
    5 points = player of the year

    Any player may have multiple awards over multiple seasons. It just adds to their total. This is a form of recognizing the results of recruiting AND development.

    This post was edited by jjloehr on 8/13/2011 at 12:33 AM

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  • If you'll notice, 2006 really sucked.

    2007 isn't looking great either, but we have 4 players who could get that points total into the 30's, perhaps even the 40's if we have a good year:

    B. Irby (he's got 2 seasons left, maybe 2 or 3 points combined)
    K. Robinson (I bet he brings in 3 or 4 points)
    T. Allen (maybe good for an honorable mention of 2 points)
    C. Johnson (maybe a 2 points)
    F. Whittaker (could get 2)

    Not thinking Howard or Scott are going to add more points.

    So perhaps another 10 points or more still coming for this class.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jjloehr on 8/13/2011 at 12:48 AM

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  • I also think it is interesting to see how the defensive recruiting and development strength has actually been carrying this team over the years.

    There's really only been 2 great offensive recruiting classes: 2002 and 2005 (Colt and Vince's classes).

    Compare that to almost 8 defensive classes with as much results or more.

    I never would have guessed that...

    We've had 1 OC all those years, and at least 5 DC's... hmmmmm...

    This post was edited by jjloehr on 8/13/2011 at 12:26 AM

    jjloehr

  • jjloehr said...

    I also think it is interesting to see how the defensive recruiting and development strength has actually been carrying this team over the years.

    There's really only been 2 great offensive recruiting classes: 2002 and 2005 (Colt and Vince's classes).

    Compare that to almost 8 defensive classes with as much results or more.

    I never would have guessed that...

    We've had 1 OC all those years, and at least 5 DC's... hmmmmm...

    2009-2011 we only had 3 offensive players drafted, only McCoy in the class of 2005 and none after that. The offensive staff really just quit putting in effort in evaluation after the MNC. It was a profitable 5 years of coasting for them.

    Quarterback

  • No kidding. It just jumps out at you.

    Even in the earlier years, they really only had 2 home run offensive classes. Every other class was so-so, or worse.

    I was never against Davis. The results always seemed pretty competitive to me in the end, even though I could barely stand to watch the predictability of much of what we did from an offensive standpoint.

    But this data just screams at you.

    Mack cannot be fully excused either... He was supposed to be leading Davis and the other coaches...

    This post was edited by jjloehr on 8/13/2011 at 12:51 AM

    jjloehr

  • The more you think about it, to blow the 2006 class as badly as they did, it means they were really distracted in 2005 spring, summer, and fall. That would have been the run up to the MNC, not after it so much.

    I guess that is a bit more understandable, but still...

    jjloehr

  • Also, interesting that the much hyped #1 1999 class was merely average. The per capita production in the 15 member 2005 class was great: Finley, Charles, Quan, Colt, Melton, Miller, Muck, Aaron Lewis.

    Quarterback

  • Yes, looking at '05 is impressive, especially offense. Best offensive class since Mack arrived, and second place isn't really even close. At least in terms of conference awards. Some may argue conference awards aren't such a reliable barometer. Hard for me to find a better one, besides possibly NFL career.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jjloehr on 8/13/2011 at 2:50 PM

    jjloehr

  • I don't really have anything to add, just wanted to say I appreciate you sharing your work.

    Hornographer

  • jjloehr said...

    I do not think Goodwin counts for the fall '11. Can a mod confirm?

    Was posted No. RS.

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  • everybodygodeep said...

    Goodwin will still count toward the 85 limit because he played football even though he is fully track now, right?

    If he has a Track Scholarship it would count towards that, not Football, I believe.

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