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tschuette said...

This whole conversation is ridiculous by the way. Mack Brown does not have a coaching tree. To argue that he does is absurd. You can credit Mack for things and get a pass from me, but suggesting that he is churning out talented coaches that are plucked by other programs is laughable. If anyone is trying to use revisionist history, it is those assigning people like Greg Robinson, Gene Chizik and Mushamp to Mack Brown's supposed coaching tree.

Coaching trees happen when you have a strong X and O coach and the assistants under him learn that system. Bill Walsh had a coaching tree. Hal Mumme has a coaching tree. His protege, Mike Leach has a coaching tree. Chris Petersen has a tree. Bob Stoops has a tree. Mack Brown is tree-less.

Mack imports the fruits of other people's trees. At best he has a rotting sapling.

A. Morgan. USWNT

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BlondeBomber said...

You rationalizing how every coordinator who has coached under MB is (1) not part of MB's coaching tree because they also coached under another coach or (2) was not a spectacular head coach when given the opportunity does not change the fact that MB has had many assistants move directly into head coaching positions following their time under MB.

The OP is 100% correct that MB has a lot to offer an up-and-coming coach. While MB's Xs and Os ability will always be in question, for good reason, there is no doubting he is a world class program builder. While many will say that he has also led Texas to its current less-than-optimal position, that does not take away from the tremendous skill he showed building us into where we were from 2000-2010, and UNC prior to that. While he can't claim tons of top end success (a multitude of conference championships, more than 1 MNC), you wishing him gone now does not change the fact that MB has skills that almost every coach in the nation could use to make their program better.

Case in point - Will Muschamp. Although you are correct that WM is much more "Saban-esque," WM has gone on the record since moving to Florida that he learned a lot under MB. Maybe this was only, as CTJ would put it, because MB is such a bad head coach that WM is just doing what MB wouldn't do; however, I would bet that WM is actually just telling the truth about having worked under one of the best in the business. Did WM adopt every policy of MB's? Definitely not, but I'm sure he took a lot of what he learned and tweaked it to fit his own style.

The revisionist history around here that attempts to paint MB as some sort of clown is getting ridiculous....

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