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Inside the Team: Practice No. 4 -- Lots of notes from Wed.

  • BobbyBurton said...

    I think the Walters-Espinosa combo on the OL and the lack of being able to hold a point of attack at DT are the two biggest problems facing the team up front. I don't know that either of those will ever get "fixed" in 2013 no matter what anyone does.

    The bottom line is outside of Malcom Brown, every other defensive tackle looked like he was on roller skates when they were stunting, completely unable to shed and anchor. Completely.

    Walters just plays too high IMO. Espinosa is ok against quicker guys but can be pushed around too easily by bigger guys who also have some quickness. Casey Walker, for instance, gave him a lot of issues as did the TCU DT.

    If Texas continues to be average on the OL and DL then I could see another 9-4 year. Ugh.

    Hookem89

  • NLeininger said...

    These guys were once thought of has talented, or they wouldn't have been recruited by a bunch of quality football schools. Where they are now speaks to the lack of development by the coaches (OL and S&C) as well as the players themselves, but to say they weren't talented at one point would mean your rankings and those of other recruiting sites aren't worth a shit.

    I get your point. I think most of them aren't as talented as they were ranked in high school. I don't think it's been their development. I think it's raw talent with most of them.

    I think the one caveat there is Trey Hopkins. He continues to fill out, plays center and keeps working hard, he could be a mover.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BobbyBurton on 2/28/2013 at 10:53 AM

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  • What are the chances Darius James comes in and unseats one of Espinosa or Walters?

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  • detly wepun said...

    Our biggest reason to hope for improvement over 9-4 is that Texas will have the most experienced team overall and the most experienced QB in the Big 12, and we won't face a Top Ten opponent. It's the kind of situation where Mack Brown has the chance to look like a better coach than he probably really is.

    Experience is the most overrated thing in college football today. Oklahoma St. proved last year that with the correct system, coaching process, player development, etc. you can plug and play (within reason). That's why Mack's constant reminder of Texas being the youngest team in the Big 12 was ridiculous. Unless our coaches prepare and develop the players properly the amount of starts (another infamous Mack stat) doesn't mean jack. Returning starters aren't worth anything if they're not good or don't improve. The experience wins adage went out the door with 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Just one more way we've fallen behind the times...

    mattyj

  • BobbyBurton said...

    I get your point. I think most of them aren't as talented as they were ranked in high school. I don't think it's been their development. I think it's raw talent with most of them.

    I think the one caveat there is Trey Hopkins. He continues to fill out, plays center and keeps working hard, he could be a mover.

    So then do you think the incoming class will have an immediate impact on the 2 deep?

    NLeininger

  • NLeininger said...

    So then do you think the incoming class will have an immediate impact on the 2 deep?

    If healthy, I could see Darius James playing immediately.

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  • I thought the knock on Marcus Johnson was that he is not as technically sound as the other guys.

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  • Bitchmade Bellmont downvoters are still at it.

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  • “You still see breakdowns where there are running lanes wide open up the middle,” one source said. “It looks they're just getting hung up and can't get off blocks.”
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  • BobbyBurton said...

    I'm just going to have to disagree with you guys here. He's not missing practices. He's there, he's learning, etc. He's just not seeing as many reps as others from what we are told.

    Wow. I'm actually shocked that this is your take. You see no problem with taking practice reps away from him while Case and Jordan were punished outside of practice for some reverse-oreo action?

    That statement along makes me want to re-think my subscription status here.

    Just. Wow.

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  • mattyj said...

    Experience is the most overrated thing in college football today. Oklahoma St. proved last year that with the correct system, coaching process, player development, etc. you can plug and play (within reason). That's why Mack's constant reminder of Texas being the youngest team in the Big 12 was ridiculous. Unless our coaches prepare and develop the players properly the amount of starts (another infamous Mack stat) doesn't mean jack. Returning starters aren't worth anything if they're not good or don't improve. The experience wins adage went out the door with 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Just one more way we've fallen behind the times...

    In large part, experience is huge. The problem with Texas is that we had such bad recruiting from 2008, 2009, and 2010 that when those players were supposed to be senior leaders, we had freshman and sophomores playing in their spots. Teams like Bama have experience mixed with youth where the younger players have to play their way onto the field, not be forced onto it like the young Longhorns of the past few years. This is not a young team anymore, Mack has no excuse, and he better deliver a Big 12 title and BCS game.

    Taupe Attack189082

  • pepper11 said...

    What are the chances Darius James comes in and unseats one of Espinosa or Walters?

    The same chance that Mack and Deloss are fired tomorrow and Patterson is hired next Monday: none.

    Black Shipley

  • Beast 512 said...

    The LHN showed Espinosa winning two battles against Malcolm Brown. Ahmad was singing his praises.......

    That's a decent sign, of course it also matters how many battles he lost as to how good the 2 wins actually look.

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  • Black Shipley said...

    Wow. I'm actually shocked that this is your take. You see no problem with taking practice reps away from him while Case and Jordan were punished outside of practice for some reverse-oreo action?

    That statement along makes me want to re-think my subscription status here.

    Just. Wow.

    You don't know the entirety of the situation and neither do I.

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  • This is a practice where its texas vs texas... We have to remember that 1 person wins the other doesnt.. When one side makes a play the other didnt.. And so on.. So basically when we win we also lose.. No reason to get upset about practice reports because there will ALWAYS be positives and negatives from individual units and players

    PAlonghorn31

  • NLeininger said...

    These guys were once thought of has talented, or they wouldn't have been recruited by a bunch of quality football schools. Where they are now speaks to the lack of development by the coaches (OL and S&C) as well as the players themselves, but to say they weren't talented at one point would mean your rankings and those of other recruiting sites aren't worth a shit.

    For me, I have learned two main things in my time here from the mods:
    1. Having a high ceiling or not
    2. Maximizing talent or not

    I understand your POV but individual players make a lot of decisions that shape what they are and will be. Parents and coaches have roles and I would say mentors in general, but they have to do something to bring them to where they say they want to be.

    Maybe the talented kids had no "high ceiling" and "have not maximized" their talent.

    Nothing to do with a rating IMO.

    Hookem'

    This post was edited by Blu Horn on 2/28/2013 at 11:50 AM

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    You don't know the entirety of the situation and neither do I.

    Then how can you comment on it and state that's what it's about?

    This post was edited by Black Shipley on 2/28/2013 at 11:54 AM

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  • mattyj said...

    Experience is the most overrated thing in college football today. Oklahoma St. proved last year that with the correct system, coaching process, player development, etc. you can plug and play (within reason). That's why Mack's constant reminder of Texas being the youngest team in the Big 12 was ridiculous. Unless our coaches prepare and develop the players properly the amount of starts (another infamous Mack stat) doesn't mean jack. Returning starters aren't worth anything if they're not good or don't improve. The experience wins adage went out the door with 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Just one more way we've fallen behind the times...

    how did that inexperienced quarterback do at a&m last year....what's his name?

    totally agree with you

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  • Black Shipley said...

    Then how can you comment on it and state that's what it's about?

    I know enough to know what it's about.

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  • Black Shipley said...

    Wow. I'm actually shocked that this is your take. You see no problem with taking practice reps away from him while Case and Jordan were punished outside of practice for some reverse-oreo action?

    That statement along makes me want to re-think my subscription status here.

    Just. Wow.

    Both Case and Hicks were suspended from the team sent home the day before the Alamo bowl. They missed practice that day and not just any game but a frigging bowl game. If i remember correctly, it's pretty standard for a player to miss a game for an alcohol related incident. I'd think missing a game is far worse than being held out the first week of practice.

    As for that reverse oreo action, they were accused of sexual assault. Whether they were guilty or not, they never should have been in that situation. The accusations and pending investigation were enough to warrant their immediate suspension. I'd think Connor would rather be held out of practice for a week than be suspended from the team for 2 weeks.

    WestGaHorns

  • BobbyBurton said...

    I know enough to know what it's about.

    But yet you say you don't know what it's all about? Makes sense.

    Black Shipley

  • WestGaHorns said...

    Both Case and Hicks were suspended from the team sent home the day before the Alamo bowl. They missed practice that day and not just any game but a frigging bowl game. If i remember correctly, it's pretty standard for a player to miss a game for an alcohol related incident. I'd think missing a game is far worse than being held out the first week of practice.

    As for that reverse oreo action, they were accused of sexual assault. Whether they were guilty or not, they never should have been in that situation. The accusations and pending investigation were enough to warrant their immediate suspension. I'd think Connor would rather be held out of practice for a week than be suspended from the team for 2 weeks.

    Neither of them were going to play in the bowl game anyways, so that's not really much a punishment. Big deal.

    And if I were Connor Brewer I'd want every rep possible to prove that I should be #2.

    My guess is that he called it like it was and is now being punished for it.

    Black Shipley

  • Black Shipley said...

    Wow. I'm actually shocked that this is your take. You see no problem with taking practice reps away from him while Case and Jordan were punished outside of practice for some reverse-oreo action?

    That statement along makes me want to re-think my subscription status here.

    Just. Wow.

    On the surface, I agree things don't add up with Brewer; however one could argue that logic falls in to several of our recent decisions regarding QB development and evaluations. It could very well be that he just doesn't fit in to what Applewhite wants to do with the offense. We know he's not known for his running ability, so it's not exactly a conspiracy theory to go out and say the guy simply could be on the outside looking in with respect to the QB order of things (as convoluted as that list appears to be at the moment). I do think if that's the case, then the coaches need to be up front about it so the kid can make a decision going forward that might put him in a better situation. I think there are just too many unknowns obviously to start comparing his situation with that of a Jordan Hicks. No question that Hicks can play and is a difference maker when on the field. That's not to say his athletic ability should be an excuse for a quicker punishment, but that's simply stating the obvious. My own personal view is that the moment Applewhite became the OC and decided to go with a faster tempo, that decision alone hurt Brewer more than anything else. I could be wrong, but based on what I know (been reported), that seems more likely than anything else at the moment.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by txhookem78 on 2/28/2013 at 12:25 PM

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