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I liked McCoy

  • Not a perfect game, but far, far better than Ash today.

    I thought he made a mistake by not launching that last hail Mary, but it looks like his left calf cramped up on the play, so there was no way he was going to be able to put the ball anywhere near far enough.

    He sees the field and makes decisions so much more quickly than Ash does. Maybe it's the year's experience, but there's no doubt that he's the better player right now.

    Sessamoid

  • Ash was a second late on everything tonight.

    the entire offense stinks. if there was ever a time to pull out harsin's gadgets it was tonight.

    instead, we throw one screen pass and a bunch other bullsh*t.

    Endust

  • You can see Ash thinking which causes him to be a second late.

    Case has zero pocket presence, bad ball security, does not know the playbook and is immature.

    BoomFC

  • A lot of our "gadget" playbook was contingent upon having either Fozzy or Jaxon as the QB in the alternate package. When you remove both of those, you've just taken out most of the alternate playbook. Then you take out our top 3 RBs and you aren't left with much. Brown and Bergeron may have been on the field, but neither were anywhere near 100% speed and power.

    Sessamoid

  • They both stink. All it boils down to is which one stinks less on any given day. Haven't seen anything from either that suggests they are the solution long term.

    RichUT

  • BoomFC said...

    You can see Ash thinking which causes him to be a second late.

    Case has zero pocket presence, bad ball security, does not know the playbook and is immature.

    How many times has Ash retreated in the pocket to get sacked or like last night ran backwards and got called for intentional grounding?

    The only valid point you make is Case not having good ball security but Ash has shown he is more turnover prone than Case.

    Right now, McCoy gives us a better chance to win and Ash needs time to catch up to the speed of college ball. For whatever reason he has not progressed and the game just seems too fast for him.

    GAHorn912 ●

  • GAHorn912 said...

    How many times has Ash retreated in the pocket to get sacked or like last night ran backwards and got called for intentional grounding?

    The only valid point you make is Case not having good ball security but Ash has shown he is more turnover prone than Case.

    Right now, McCoy gives us a better chance to win and Ash needs time to catch up to the speed of college ball. For whatever reason he has not progressed and the game just seems too fast for him.

    Agree with all statements above except negative RichUT...I can't say Case is the answer for the next 2 years but he DOES NOT stink. He does throw off his back foot and his mechanics aren't perfect but for the hundredth time I 'll take stats, completions, headiness, leadership and TDs over measurables anyday.

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  • HuttoHorn said...

    Agree with all statements above except negative RichUT...I can't say Case is the answer for the next 2 years but he DOES NOT stink. He does throw off his back foot and his mechanics aren't perfect but for the hundredth time I 'll take stats, completions, headiness, leadership and TDs over measurables anyday.

    I'm afraid that the only reason Case is not considered a turnover machine is that he has a much smaller sample size than Ash. When he sets and throws he's fine. He doesn't do it very often though.

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    Bobby_Batronic

  • Case is awful. Bails out in less than two seconds whether there's a reason to or not. Every bit as inaccurate as Ash, except without the arm to even attempt some of the passes that Ash can. Completely unwilling to take any kind of hit whatsoever. What I want to know is, seriously, how bad was Connor Wood?

    Lakeway25801

  • Lakeway said...

    What I want to know is, seriously, how bad was Connor Wood?

    I don't know how bad he was or if he was bad at all. But if he didn't have the mental fortitude to tough it out and compete for a job that would likely be open as of right now, I don't want him.

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  • Bobby_Batronic said...

    I'm afraid that the only reason Case is not considered a turnover machine is that he has a much smaller sample size than Ash. When he sets and throws he's fine. He doesn't do it very often though.

    Or it could be because he has thrown zero interceptions in all of his time at Texas with almost as many attempts as Ash?

    rozell99

  • There is no reason to panic. Anybody that thought we were going to win 9-10 games this year was drinking something that I want shared! As usual the board bashes Ash just like last week forgetting he is not a redshirt Frosh he is a true Frosh.. The guy is a true FRESHMAN! Look at the problems at Florida and OSU this year when a true FRESHMAN plays. McCoy should know where the ball should go and see the field a little better as he has a year on Ash. His arm and athleticism are less than to be desired and he will not lead us to the promised land. I will wait till the Spring is over and we will see.

    AlumniHorn

  • Lakeway said...

    Case is awful. Bails out in less than two seconds whether there's a reason to or not. Every bit as inaccurate as Ash, except without the arm to even attempt some of the passes that Ash can. Completely unwilling to take any kind of hit whatsoever. What I want to know is, seriously, how bad was Connor Wood?

    This is what I see that makes me believe McCoy absolutely is not the guy. He looks terrified in the pocket even before he has legitimate reason for concern. Playing quarterback in big time college football takes a certain level of courage/fearlessness that I'm not sure McCoy possesses. Not saying Ash is the guy, but feel more confident saying it is not Mccoy.

    MSFHorn

  • There is no reason to panic. Anybody that thought we were going to win 9-10 games this year was drinking something that I want shared! As usual the board bashes Ash just like last week forgetting he is not a redshirt Frosh he is a true Frosh.. The guy is a true FRESHMAN! Look at the problems at Florida and OSU this year when a true FRESHMAN plays. McCoy should know where the ball should go and see the field a little better as he has a year on Ash. His arm and athleticism are less than to be desired and he will not lead us to the promised land. I will wait till the Spring is over and we will see.

    AlumniHorn

  • Bobby_Batronic said...

    I'm afraid that the only reason Case is not considered a turnover machine is that he has a much smaller sample size than Ash. When he sets and throws he's fine. He doesn't do it very often though.

    Case has half the attempts that Ash does, but he has 4 TD passes to Ash's 3. He also has thrown zero interceptions to Ash's 8.

    That last number alone is enough to make me want Case as starter.

    I'll take the guy throwing TD/INT at a 4 TD/0 INT ratio way over the guy throwing 3 TD/8 INT.

    The sample size is large enough for me when N = 78 and 150 (respective pass attempts).

    This post was edited by Sessamoid on 11/20/2011 at 10:19 AM

    Sessamoid

  • This O line is so pathetic even Peyton Manning would be marginalized. With more time, Case might be very serviceable running this offense. I don't know if I can say the same about Ash at this point.

    I'm not gonna pin Case trying to scramble for his life on him so much as the instantaneously collapsing pockets.

    Bullrush

  • Lakeway said...

    Case is awful. Bails out in less than two seconds whether there's a reason to or not. Every bit as inaccurate as Ash, except without the arm to even attempt some of the passes that Ash can. Completely unwilling to take any kind of hit whatsoever. What I want to know is, seriously, how bad was Connor Wood?

    He was apparently bad enough to finish 4th in the QB derby.

    UTK66

  • I agree, though, Case needs to start. If we just don't throw those two ints, we win that game by 3, even with the spectacular offensive ineptitude. If neither one can move the ball, then give me the guy that throws fewer ints. If it wasn't for two ints and a blown kick catch interference penalty, KState might never have scored at all. With this defense, just give me the guy that's not giving the other team points.

    Lakeway25801

  • We would probably have a better chance running the Wild formation and punting against most the the team we play and the level our D is playing. Do not think that would work in the next two games tho. Those two teams are going to put some points on the board against anybody .

    beldar

  • RichUT said...

    They both stink. All it boils down to is which one stinks less on any given day. Haven't seen anything from either that suggests they are the solution long term.

    Unfortunately, I have to agree.

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  • RichUT said...

    They both stink. All it boils down to is which one stinks less on any given day. Haven't seen anything from either that suggests they are the solution long term.

    They both struggle and both have some crappy players surrounding them. Neither is probably the long term solution but I want some solution for the next two weeks.

    My gut feeling to this point, particularly after last night is summed up something like this:
    Ash = here we go again
    Case = we may pull this game out

    I hope the roles are reversed for the A&M game and Case gets the 2 1/2 qtrs this game to make something happen. Can't hurt at this point.

    Bullrush

  • How sad that our fan boards continue to be dominated by discussions debating over which of our two horrible QB's is less horrible. banghead

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  • HuttoHorn said...

    Agree with all statements above except negative RichUT...I can't say Case is the answer for the next 2 years but he DOES NOT stink. He does throw off his back foot and his mechanics aren't perfect but for the hundredth time I 'll take stats, completions, headiness, leadership and TDs over measurables anyday.

    Thats fine but his stats last night when it mattered were pretty pathetic. Whats the point of having an oline giving you time if youre unable to sit in the pocket? We just dont have a good, or even ok, option at quarterback at this point. Maybe one will take over the job and progress this spring but if not were in trouble. Brewer needs to shirt and Overstreet is a wildcat qb all the way.

    lehmanspeed

  • Case was better last night. "Far, far better," is hyperbole. You absolutely cannot take sacks at the critical points he did.

    groly

  • Texasmdcoach said...

    How sad that our fan boards continue to be dominated by discussions debating over which of our two horrible QB's is less horrible. banghead

    And when you entered to read a thread titled "I Like McCoy" you expected what?

    People do have a tendency to discuss relevant football matters like the qb position on message boards.

    Bullrush

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