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How Texas Can Improve Recruiting -- Ways to avoid slide on trail

  • Bandit18 said...

    “There would be only one to intrigue me to go back, just because it's a good friend,” he said. “If it wasn't Notre Dame it'd be Texas, just because of Mack Brown. And it wouldn't be because of Texas; it'd be because of Mack Brown. If Mack Brown was at North Carolina, I'd say North Carolina. Because of my relationship with Mack Brown, he and I see the same things. So that would be a guy that I would enjoy. I like him, I like the way he coaches, I've consulted for him. That would be somebody that I would have fun with and I could work for, and I wouldn't mind doing it.”

    Do. Not. Want.

    Isn't this the guy responsible for one of the bigger dumpster fires of personnel in NFL history?

    Black Shipley

  • Bobby I think these are great systematic improvement ideas and thank you for sharing. Implementation is key, and Texas would need to get most of these positions filled and responsibilities reassigned sooner rather than later. Have your sources told you anything to make you think we should be looking for these types of changes anytime soon?

    This post was edited by UTfandallas on 2/5/2013 at 12:57 PM

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  • Black Shipley said...

    Do. Not. Want.

    Isn't this the guy responsible for one of the bigger dumpster fires of personnel in NFL history?

    He was also extremely effective as a talent evaluator and recruiter while at Notre Dame. His record at the collegiate level speaks for itself. I'd be extremely optimistic about any buzz involving Vinny Cerrato and Texas. But that's just me, and maybe it's blue and gold-colored glasses guiding my perception of him. But his tenure was pretty good at Notre Dame, and Holtz's downfall can be traced to Cerrato's departure from his staff (among other things).

    John Haynsworth

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  • John Haynsworth said...

    "The first hire should be a personnel director ... "

    What's Vinny Cerrato doing these days? He's both good ol' boy and someone with chops - 4 consecutive No. 1 classes from 89-92 (I believe) at Notre Dame, and he's been someone Mack has consulted with in the past.

    That would be the worst hire of all time IMO. I think it might be an easy hire but easy hires aren't usually great hires. They're usually just easy.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BobbyBurton on 2/5/2013 at 1:12 PM

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  • John Haynsworth said...

    He was also extremely effective as a talent evaluator and recruiter while at Notre Dame. His record at the collegiate level speaks for itself. I'd be extremely optimistic about any buzz involving Vinny Cerrato and Texas. But that's just me, and maybe it's blue and gold-colored glasses guiding my perception of him. But his tenure was pretty good at Notre Dame, and Holtz's downfall can be traced to Cerrato's departure from his staff (among other things).

    Vinny wasn't the talent evaluator on those teams. That's a misconception. He was the "recruiter".

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  • I'd call John Harris of 1560 AM in Houston and offer him the Director of Player Personnel job right now.

    Signatures are stupid. You should block them.

    JKates

  • Personally I want more offers too. The days of offering 35-40 and getting 25 commits are over and it handcuffs you towards the end too. We don't need to offer 130+ like the SEC does, but the games with players like Devon Allen are tiring and recruits don't always seem to respond well to it.

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    http://texas.247sports.com/Article/What-the-Texas-Longhorns-must-do-to-not-fade-in-recruiting-115022

    Texas is limping to the finish of this recruiting cycle. To avoid this becoming a trend there are certain things the Horns must do to stay relevant on the recruiting trail.

    Spot on. Every point makes perfect sense, which is why it'll probably never happen (esp. at a public institution). I sure hope it does though. Texas has all of the resources available to make it happen and set a standard for all else to strive for.

    This post was edited by Danno2 on 2/5/2013 at 1:35 PM

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    That would be the worst hire of all time IMO. Vinny's a climber. Not what Texas needs.

    Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion. And it's generally an educated one.

    With that said, "worst hire of all time" might be a bit of hyperbole. After all, there have been some pretty disastrous hires within the Texas football program - i.e. the group Mack assembled in 2010 has generally been a mishmash of philosophies with little cohesion, and the defense just came off its worst performance in program history.

    Also not sure Vinny is a climber at this point in his career, or at any point in his career. He climbed the collegiate ranks with Holtz from Minnesota to Notre Dame, then proceeded to work for just one NFL franchise over two stints.

    And again, his results at the collegiate level do speak for his acumen. No. 1 classes, and he recruited a slew of eventual first-rounders to Notre Dame, including 7 total players drafted in the first round from 1993-94. Just sayin' ...

    John Haynsworth

  • That is really great stuff. Any idea if Mack is looking at something like this?

    Crazy Horn

  • shnsajax said...

    Personally I want more offers too. The days of offering 35-40 and getting 25 commits are over and it handcuffs you towards the end too. We don't need to offer 130+ like the SEC does, but the games with players like Devon Allen are tiring and recruits don't always seem to respond well to it.

    For the record, I didn't put things like "more offers" or "no more approved for offer" type of stuff in here.

    IMO, those don't change anything. Texas would still just have committable and non-committable offers out there like everybody else.

    Either you want them or you don't. For instance, I think Darrell Wyatt likes Meander more than Allen.

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  • John Haynsworth said...

    Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion. And it's generally an educated one.

    With that said, "worst hire of all time" might be a bit of hyperbole. After all, there have been some pretty disastrous hires within the Texas football program - i.e. the group Mack assembled in 2010 has generally been a mishmash of philosophies with little cohesion, and the defense just came off its worst performance in program history.

    Also not sure Vinny is a climber at this point in his career, or at any point in his career. He climbed the collegiate ranks with Holtz from Minnesota to Notre Dame, then proceeded to work for just one NFL franchise over two stints.

    And again, his results at the collegiate level do speak for his acumen. No. 1 classes, and he recruited a slew of eventual first-rounders to Notre Dame, including 7 total players drafted in the first round from 1993-94. Just sayin' ...

    It certainly is hyperbole. Texas needs someone who's not just looking to work with Mack Brown in the twilight of their career. That's as much why I said what I did as I have.

    As for the climber comment, I edited it quickly because it wasn't the word I was looking for.

    This post was edited by BobbyBurton on 2/5/2013 at 1:24 PM

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    Vinny wasn't the talent evaluator on those teams. That's a misconception. He was the "recruiter".

    I worked with Tony Rice, who told me that Vinny offered him after watching him play basketball. Now, Tony wasn't an NFL talent, but Notre Dame doesn't win a national championship or 31 straight games about him. But nonetheless, I'm not going to further hijack this thread with a discussion about Vinny Cerrato. We'll just agree to disagree.

    Well written article with a shit ton of validity and relevance.

    John Haynsworth

  • BobbyBurton said...

    For the record, I didn't put things like "more offers" or "no more approved for offer" type of stuff in here.

    IMO, those don't change anything. Texas would still just have committable and non-committable offers out there like everybody else.

    Either you want them or you don't. For instance, I think Darrell Wyatt likes Meander more than Allen.

    Thanks for the clarification. I do agree with you on that, just feel like we can be a little slow on that. Though Mack has clearly changed philosophies on us in the past 12 months.

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  • John Haynsworth said...

    I worked with Tony Rice, who told me that Vinny offered him after watching him play basketball. Now, Tony wasn't an NFL talent, but Notre Dame doesn't win a national championship or 31 straight games about him. But nonetheless, I'm not going to further hijack this thread with a discussion about Vinny Cerrato. We'll just agree to disagree.

    Well written article with a shit ton of validity and relevance.

    I hear you.

    I'm not saying he's a horrible evaluator. But he didn't "evaluate" Jerome Bettis, Todd Lyght, Bryant Young, etc.

    What made Cerrato special was how he recruited them.

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  • It's kind of surprising the NCAA is making these rule changes as it sounds like in the long run that smaller schools will no longer be able to compete.

    The big schools with affluent ADs will have entire departments devoted to evaluation and recruitment, allowing each department to have a much more narrowly tailored and precise purpose. Smaller and less affluent ADs will not have the resources to match, resulting in an almost insurmountable advantage for the bigger programs. Programs like Notre, Dame, Texas, Alabama, etc., will be able to spend amounts of money that will be orders of magnitude greater than what programs like Texas Tech, KSU, etc. will be able to spend.

    Hoop98 ●

  • Hoop98 said...

    It's kind of surprising the NCAA is making these rule changes as it sounds like in the long run that smaller schools will no longer be able to compete.

    The big schools with affluent ADs will have entire departments devoted to evaluation and recruitment, allowing each department to have a much more narrowly tailored and precise purpose. Smaller and less affluent ADs will not have the resources to match, resulting in an almost insurmountable advantage for the bigger programs. Programs like Notre, Dame, Texas, Alabama, etc., will be able to spend amounts of money that will be orders of magnitude greater than what programs like Texas Tech, KSU, etc. will be able to spend.

    Texas can have a legal advantage.

    Are they going to take it?

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  • Crazy Horn said...

    That is really great stuff. Any idea if Mack is looking at something like this?

    I'm sure he's looking at some version of it. I just think it needs to go deep, not just result in 1 or 2 hires total.

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  • Darn. Fine. Piece. Of. Writing. Bobbito!

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  • BobbyBurton said...

    Texas can have a legal advantage.

    Are they going to take it?

    Alabama has taken advantage of it. Agree with almost everything you said.

    76-37-5

    ut755

  • It took Mack forever to start recruiting a couple JuCos per year and hire a nutritionist. He held on to albatross assistants and Jeff Madden forever. It's like he has to drug kicking and screaming into taking very obvious steps to maximize Texas' football program. This isn't that hard. Hire some good scouts and go.

    Randy Watson

  • Those seem like sound advice. I would encourage Mack and Deloss to consider these.

    BCherry

  • Bobby and Gerry to Texas, 247 be damned!!!!

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