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For those calling for Mack to be fired....

  • When every year you get 4 and 5 star players and the last 3 years is 5-7, 7-5, and 8-4 there's an issue with that team. whether it's the coaching or lack of talent either way the head coach is to blame. I don't want Mack fired but every year that he doesn't meet expectations makes it harder and harder to want him here.

    Hookemfan

  • sundancekid said...

    I know there are a lot of people who want to axe Mack and I understand how people can be frustrated, but I really do think that would be a huge mistake unless we really do tank it the next season or two, Far better it would be for Mack to be coach for the next few years and then take an administrative position to help the next coach in the ways he knows best. To fire him would alienate him without a doubt and just as Darrell was around for Mack it would only make sense for Mack to still be a part of the family when the next coach takes the reigns. He has had a huge impact on Longhorn Football and he should have the opportunity to go out with a bang, not a whimper, I know he has let some conference championships get away. I know he's been stomped by OU a few too many times. But he has also taken us on a run not experienced since the late sixties and early seventies. Mack does leave a legacy and I think it far better for our Longhorn family for him to leave on his own terms and maintain continuity rather than cast him off. He has also made a boatload of money for Longhorn Athletics as well. Downvote away.

    Upvote for sticking your neck out posting an unpopular stance on Mack. But I disagree that Mack should be allowed another year to cement his legacy. He's done a lot for UT football. But at the end of the day, he's paid $5 mil to produce with 4 and 5 stars and hasn't done so the last 3 years. Getting blown out by OU 2 years in a row is unacceptable. There's too much entitlement and that's a reflection on him. The culture needs to change and that won't happen as long as Mack is still here.

    horn4jc

  • Silky Johnson said...

    I'll also add that Mack lacks the hunger it takes to be a successful college coach. In my opinion, he goes into the OU game scared and knows he doesn't stand a chance more often than not, and that is why he seemingly downplaces the significance of the game. He had a chance to capitalize on the national championship but chose to mail it in with recruiting. I'll also add that he hamstrings himself by recruiting only players from Texas unless there is some strong outside connection. The state of Texas doesn't churn out great tight end prospects, and until recently, they didn't churn out linebackers and defensive ends. But Mack refuses to step outside his comfort zone to increase the talent on his roster. And finally, the fact that he had planned to retire if he won his second national title tells me that he had one foot our the door. Him coming back after the defeat was a detriment to the Texas program.

    Bea-u-ti-ful.

    josecanusee2

  • ATX89 said...

    Because it's called a trend and is most indicative of the direction of the program. Who cares about 2009 now? 75% of that staff isn't even here anymore and almost every player is also gone from that team. Hey, let's go back to 2006. Problem is all those players are gone and 95% of the staff as well. You say it's stupid to reference the last 3 yrs, yet you reference the last 2 OU games? Really? We lost the OU game in 2010 as well.....during 5-7......which occurred in the last 3 yrs and is apparently stupid to point out.

    I'll concede the salary point. If Mack can convince DeLoss and Texas to pay him $5.3M/yr then go for it and who can blame him. At some point someone around here well above my pay grade has to ask DeLoss what are we getting for $5.3M annually? 22-16? 0-3 vs OU with the last 2 games setting records for point differential? The worst statistical defensive season in the history of Texas football? More decommits and an apparent slip in recruiting(Mack's wheelhouse mind you), but yeah, looking at the last 3 yrs is really stupid. Funny.

    yes, comparing three year trends that have different variables as some sort of justification for your position is stupid. Not hard to understand.

    Beast 512

  • sundancekid said...

    I know there are a lot of people who want to axe Mack and I understand how people can be frustrated, but I really do think that would be a huge mistake unless we really do tank it the next season or two, Far better it would be for Mack to be coach for the next few years and then take an administrative position to help the next coach in the ways he knows best. To fire him would alienate him without a doubt and just as Darrell was around for Mack it would only make sense for Mack to still be a part of the family when the next coach takes the reigns. He has had a huge impact on Longhorn Football and he should have the opportunity to go out with a bang, not a whimper, I know he has let some conference championships get away. I know he's been stomped by OU a few too many times. But he has also taken us on a run not experienced since the late sixties and early seventies. Mack does leave a legacy and I think it far better for our Longhorn family for him to leave on his own terms and maintain continuity rather than cast him off. He has also made a boatload of money for Longhorn Athletics as well. Downvote away.

    How many other coaches could have had a run like Mack had? Better yet, how many coaches would have done MUCH better than Mack?

    It makes me sick to my stomach to know there are fans who are so scared of the McWilliams and Mackovic years, they cower in the face of change.

    If I were to tell you that we could have (insert elite coach of your preference) as our coach in 2013, and we win right away and compete for a title in 2014, would that be worth alienating Mack?

    Who gives a FLYING FUCK about Mack Brown and his legacy? I could care less about the "boatload" of money he has made for Longhorn athletics. I haven't seen a nickel.

    He's had his opportunity to go out with a bang. How long will you allow him to whimper?

    JOJP ●

  • And I think the thread should have gone like this...

    For those calling for Mack to be fired....

    Call harder.

    JOJP ●

  • Mack is going to leave on his own likely after next season. My guess is that has been his plan all along as long as his rebuild materializes. When he decided to stick around it was to rebuild the program back to "Texas" standard as an elite team competing for championships and BCS bowls. He also had a time frame in mind after the 5-7 debacle to accomplish this by the third season, which is this coming season and needed to see yearly progression. He has seen this but came razor close to being de-railed this year and it was not as steep an improvement from 2011 as he planned. Had we not beat Baylor and not won our bowl game I think he would have stepped aside as this would be clear evidence in his mind that his rebuilding plan failed.

    Mack's heart truly wants to see Texas succeed and thinks he is the guy to do it and if he sees he is failing in that endeavor he will be the first to resign. The plan is to be back to that level in the upcoming season and there after so if he falls well short of that next year then some one else will be in control this time next season, by his own accord too. The question is: does he ride off after next season even if we have a BCS type year? My guess is he will either way.

    This post was edited by Texasmdcoach on 1/16/2013 at 10:12 PM

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    Texasmdcoach

  • Honestly, it's impossible to tell. In fantasy, you can insert any coach you want but Texas isn't fantasy land. Nick Saban is not coming to Texas, nor is a BRian Kelley. There are a lot of prerequisites required and Dodds is the one who would make the hire. Brown is far better than everyone else he's hired.

    sundancekid

  • sundancekid said...

    Honestly, it's impossible to tell. In fantasy, you can insert any coach you want but Texas isn't fantasy land. Nick Saban is not coming to Texas, nor is a BRian Kelley. There are a lot of prerequisites required and Dodds is the one who would make the hire. Brown is far better than everyone else he's hired.

    Not sure I trust Dodds to make the right hire. Remember, he wanted Willingham & Barnett, not Mack at first. Donors got involved and the search changed. Way to much PC stuff and not enough football mindset IMO.

    PanchoLefty

    pancholefty ●

  • sundancekid said...

    Dodds is the one who would make the hire. Brown is far better than everyone else he's hired.

    No he's not, Dodds did not hire Mack and hes not the one who will hire the next head coach

    smaxx ●

  • sundancekid said...

    Honestly, it's impossible to tell. In fantasy, you can insert any coach you want but Texas isn't fantasy land. Nick Saban is not coming to Texas, nor is a BRian Kelley. There are a lot of prerequisites required and Dodds is the one who would make the hire. Brown is far better than everyone else he's hired.

    I just want to say that I disagree with your original post. You're just trying to make the best of our current situation and talk yourself into accepting it. You can try and rationalize it, but it's silly.

    Don't let the upvotes fool you.

    BDB2012

  • sundancekid said...

    Honestly, it's impossible to tell. In fantasy, you can insert any coach you want but Texas isn't fantasy land. Nick Saban is not coming to Texas, nor is a BRian Kelley. There are a lot of prerequisites required and Dodds is the one who would make the hire. Brown is far better than everyone else he's hired.

    JUst because Texas can't go out and get a Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, or a Brian Kelly doesn't mean they should stick with the status quo and accept mediocrity. This is such a loser mentality.

    You are right about there being uncertainty with every hire. There is no guarantee it will work out. That's the nature of coaching hires and just something you have to accept. Sticking with your mediocre coach because you are afraid of failure tells me a.) those in charge are pussies and b.) they accept mediocrity

    I'd much rather have Texas botch a hire in an attempt to improve than to be content with mediocrity. Part of that is because a botched hire at a place like Texas is an easier fix than at other places, but it's mostly because it shows we have high standards that we refuse to accept anything less, and we are willing to take risks to meet and exceed those standards.

    This post was edited by Silky Johnson on 1/17/2013 at 2:18 PM

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    Silky Johnson ●

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