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Defensive Tackles = a huge overlooked problem

  • Lots and lots of bagging on the LB's, DB's, scheme, etc...all legit bagging of of course.

    IMO, though, it all begins and ends with the big dogs up front...the Defensive Tackles.

    This unit as a whole has played pretty bad all year. Lack of pressure/disruption on the QB, getting gouged up the middle by RBs, allowing blockers to get to the 2nd level (LB's) without making a tackle, effort level is questionable.

    Who's even the best DT on our team?

    Hell...I'd say Malcolm Brown.

    Last night....

    Malcolm Brown...3 tackles
    Ashton Dorsey....1 tackle

    Chris Whaley....0
    Brandon Moore...0
    Desmond Jackson...0

    horn1chris

  • It's less the players, and MUCH more the scheme they're being asked to execute. We scheme our DTs into bad positions vis-a-vis the opposing OL on nearly every play. Gap guessing, stunts, slants, etc....

    It's all a DC who is too inexperienced to even understand the most basic blocking schemes he's facing. Consider this: Baylor tore us up with an inside zone run, while WVU gashed us with the outside zone. That's two of the best PASSING teams in college football destroying us with two different RUNNING plays.

    It's 90% on a clueless DC with an unsound philosophy of risk vs. reward in getting DTs to penetrated instead of controlling a gap.

    This post was edited by Racer X on 10/21/2012 at 11:12 AM

    Racer X

  • Spot on. They are miserable. The ends also allow them to be taken out of the play too easily on running plays

    Sancho

  • out dt's don't give Edmond a chance most the time and our other lb is usually lost.

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    jmftexas

  • You have some of the best DTs in the league. Its hard to scheme against the spread, you can either contain or persue. Both have advantages and disadvantages. Pick your poison, but dont think for a second that these guys wouldnt be studs playing on another team or in a different conference.

    NavyAg22

  • i don't know if the ends are playing much better.

    Troon74

  • Troon74 said...

    i don't know if the ends are playing much better.

    What were the DEs asked to do against Baylor?
    What were the DEs asked to do against WVU?

    Watch the replay and understand what was being asked of them, then make a judgement if it's the DEs or Daiz' scheme. The answer will be pitifully obvious.

    Racer X

  • Racer X said...

    It's less the players, and MUCH more the scheme they're being asked to execute. We scheme our DTs into bad positions vis-a-vis the opposing OL on nearly every play. Gap guessing, stunts, slants, etc....

    It's all a DC who is too inexperienced to even understand the most basic blocking schemes he's facing. Consider this: Baylor tore us up with an inside zone run, while WVU gashed us with the outside zone. That's two of the best PASSING teams in college football destroying us with two different RUNNING plays.

    It's 90% on a clueless DC with an unsound philosophy of risk vs. reward in getting DTs to penetrated instead of controlling a gap.

    Right on point! Between this and having the DE's fire 5 yds upfield on every play, it's no wonder RB's reach the second level before getting touched.

    OCHookem

  • Racer X said...

    What were the DEs asked to do against Baylor? What were the DEs asked to do against WVU?

    Watch the replay and understand what was being asked of them, then make a judgement if it's the DEs or Daiz' scheme. The answer will be pitifully obvious.

    the truth is there is blame to go around. i will agree with you diaz's scheme's seem to be a big piece of the problem. but let me ask you this. and i'm not defending diaz so much as i'm truly confused about it myself. how can a defense from last year - which last time i checked was a diaz scheme - be one of the better Ds in the nation and then this year is what it is?

    yes, diaz is to blame. but it isn't all diaz.

    Troon74

  • Troon74 said...

    the truth is there is blame to go around. i will agree with you diaz's scheme's seem to be a big piece of the problem. but let me ask you this. and i'm not defending diaz so much as i'm truly confused about it myself. how can a defense from last year - which last time i checked was a diaz scheme - be one of the better Ds in the nation and then this year is what it is?

    yes, diaz is to blame. but it isn't all diaz.

    It is on mack and diaz because if the players are being selfish and not executing the scheme the way its supposed to then you put someone in there who will.

    I am not sure anymore who or what to blame i think its a big mix of everything but if the players are the problem then you need to try others to see if they can execute the scheme properly.

    PAlonghorn31

  • and if after trying all players and we are still getting gashed then you have to change the scheme all together. If you dont have the players to execute a scheme properly then you as a coach have to adapt and make the scheme to fit your players. If the players happen to be all freshmen then so be it but these coaches need to start fixing these issues. It is their job.

    PAlonghorn31

  • Troon74 said...

    the truth is there is blame to go around. i will agree with you diaz's scheme's seem to be a big piece of the problem. but let me ask you this. and i'm not defending diaz so much as i'm truly confused about it myself. how can a defense from last year - which last time i checked was a diaz scheme - be one of the better Ds in the nation and then this year is what it is?

    yes, diaz is to blame. but it isn't all diaz.

    Great question. I would offer two answers. First, people forget that we lost 4 NFLs players from last years defense, ALL of whom right in the middle of the field. Randall, K.Robinson, E.Acho, and B.Gideon were all in the middle of the defense at all 3 layers of the defense. In addition, Robinson and E.Acho happened to be GREAT at being instinctive and knowing when to shoot a gap to make a TFL or run down a play from behind....and when not to. They were also GREAT pass coverage LBs.

    Second, in the Big XII, who have offensive brains like Gundy, Monken, Holgorsen, Heupel, N.Brown, Briles, etc...and it was foolish to think that these guys wouldn't spend all summer looking at tape and figuring out how to attack Daiz' penetration-based scheme. They did their homework on Manny, and he hasn't had an answer yet.

    Racer X

  • I think the lack of DT play does get overlooked.

    Florence had zero pressure up the middle that I recall, certainly Jones had none. These guys and Bo Davis were greatly overhyped.

    Not excusing the scheme but end of the day, they aren't making plays.

    IDMAS

  • Too much thinking & too little reacting across all positions with the exception of DE. Jeffcoat's issues prior to his injury were strength related due to his injury last year. We are sorely missing Hicks.

    AllenHorn

  • Of all the problems we have right now this is one I most did not see coming.

    Crazy Horn

  • Racer X said...

    It's less the players, and MUCH more the scheme they're being asked to execute. We scheme our DTs into bad positions vis-a-vis the opposing OL on nearly every play. Gap guessing, stunts, slants, etc....

    It's all a DC who is too inexperienced to even understand the most basic blocking schemes he's facing. Consider this: Baylor tore us up with an inside zone run, while WVU gashed us with the outside zone. That's two of the best PASSING teams in college football destroying us with two different RUNNING plays.

    It's 90% on a clueless DC with an unsound philosophy of risk vs. reward in getting DTs to penetrated instead of controlling a gap.

    Someone knows football.
    Good post.

    Bevo11

  • jmftexas said...

    out dt's don't give Edmond a chance most the time and our other lb is usually lost.

    +1

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  • Racer X said...

    What were the DEs asked to do against Baylor?
    What were the DEs asked to do against WVU?

    Watch the replay and understand what was being asked of them, then make a judgement if it's the DEs or Daiz' scheme. The answer will be pitifully obvious.

    The DEs did not rush upfield as often and I didn't see a single zone blitz.

    So Baylor just ran the inside zone instead. The DTs are the common issue.

    This post was edited by BobbyBurton on 10/21/2012 at 8:30 PM

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  • Troon74 said...

    the truth is there is blame to go around. i will agree with you diaz's scheme's seem to be a big piece of the problem. but let me ask you this. and i'm not defending diaz so much as i'm truly confused about it myself. how can a defense from last year - which last time i checked was a diaz scheme - be one of the better Ds in the nation and then this year is what it is?

    yes, diaz is to blame. but it isn't all diaz.

    Sometimes it takes people awhile to figure out a new defense and that's what the OCs in the conference have done IMO.

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