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But it will be a few years.
Update: A committee of the UT System Board of Regents approved an update to the universitys medical school, new
Huh, interesting. The link papa posted in the "quotes" thread said the Erwin Center would not need to be removed. I hope it is.
"The plan could eventually move the Frank Erwin Center."
That would be one big flatbed truck. Or did it come in pieces with zippers?
Looks like the demo of the FEC is in the last phase of the plan.
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I hope I am still alive when they get around to replacing it!
Seats closer to the action. A large student section downstairs, not just behind the baskets. Lower ceiling. Touring musical acts can find other venues.
An article on this in the Austin American Statesman this morning said that the Drum would be replaced within six to fifteen years. In the article referenced by zquippy in the original post, Larry Speck, the architecture professor and former Dean of the School of Architecture, who put the Medical School proposal together, was quoted by KUT radio news thusly.
'UT architecture professor Lawrence Speck, who is behind the master plan, could not specify on where a replacement for the Erwin Center might go. "We have been talking with the people in athletics, and they are certainly onto this, and they have some ideas, but that is something under study and will continued to be studied," Speck said.'
Six to fifteen years is not such a long time when you consider the overall scope of the project.
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I would make the Rec center the new basketball facility, as it would be on campus and close to the football stadium.
wwe and Jay-z fans can be pissed all they want.
100% what I would do if I could be Dodds for a day. With the money UT Athletics makes, we could tear down the Rec Center gym and build a spectacular Volleyball/Basketball complex in the same location by taking advantage of the parking lot next to the Rec (if that is still there, it's been a few years since I've been on campus).
Can y'all imagine the fan turnout if freshmen living in Jester only had to walk 30 yards to get to games, instead of the mile long hike to the Drum, plus an arena with student seating that wasn't limited to behind baskets and rafter seats?
Fan turnout would be the same IMO.
Are you talking about the Gregory Gym Annex or the Recreational Sports Center south of the Moncrief-Neuhaus Athletic Center? The Gregory Gym Annex would probably be too small without taking down Gregory Gym, and that is probably not going to happen. The Moncrief-Neuhaus Athletic Center is probably too small, also. Some have suggested the site of the School of Social Work combined with the Recreational Sports Center, but that facility is the old University Elementary School and probably has some historic significance - even though, I guess nothing is absolutely sacrosanct and anything is possible. Clark Field is probably big enough for the footprint of a basketball venue, but all three locations have serious parking issues. I guess you could use trolley shuttles to get people in from remote parking. Like Beast 512, I am also of the opinion that a more central campus location will not necessarily help fan turnout. Student support of basketball is apathetic at best, and making parking more difficult than it already is might turn off interest in non-university attendance.
In addition to providing a new basketball facility, there is also the issue of the revenue stream of the other events at the Drum. I am not so sure that the University will want to give that up. So, another question is whether they will want to maintain a basketball arena and a special events arena in the same facility, or replace them in separate facilities elsewhere.
New discussion is always a good thing, but there could end up being some deja vu all over again in this thread. For those who may not have seen them, here are two threads from not so long ago that discussed the proposed Med School, a new basketball facility, parking, attendance, etc.
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Just saw this blog on Barking Carnival.
"No word yet on where UT basketball will move, but there have been rumors that one possible site is on the east side of IH 35 in the Mueller Complex."
Srr50, is not attributing this to anyone in particular. So, it could be idle chatter, or it could have legs. Time will tell. Mueller certainly has room, but that sure is a long way from campus. Anything east of I-35 closer to downtown that would suggest "urban renewal" is probably off limits.
Personally, I like the idea of a basketball/performance destination venue downtown close to the Convention Center District on Waller Creek to take advantage of the development that will happen on Waller Creek as a result of the flood water diversion project. Land costs would be very high down there, but UT could use some of it's money and do a joint venture with the city regarding the performance side of the project. Maybe even joint but separate venues for performance and basketball with the basketball side configurable as a smaller performance venue. If they are thinking about the Mueller site, it would be just as easy to get people to the venues via a trolley system down town as it would be to get people to Mueller. Also, the two venues would maximize a synergy amongst the performance venues, the convention center, Sixth Street and what development will come because of the potential of the Waller Creek development that will happen because of flood control measures.
This post was edited by BudreauReye 14 months ago
My god it would be a spectacular mistake for the arena to be anywhere but on campus.
By the way, appreciate everyone linking the articles. The Chronicle article has a map of the project that shows the FEC intact (guess the initial phase), so I thought maybe they had changed their minds on moving it.
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Keeping it campus would more than likely make attendance figures better than moving it farther away from campus.
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I must say that I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment. There are quite a few factors that may lead to it being placed elsewhere, though. Whether it is a basketball only facility or a mixed use facility dictates the size of the footprint needed. And that footprint in either case is just bigger than most people think. A few months ago when the discussion occurred on another thread about the space requirements for the medical school, I had hoped that they would think about a more compact, urban solution with more parking underground and more verticality to the buildings leaving more of the land available for other uses. It is obvious, looking at the plan as presented, that they are not able to break away from the suburban "campus" mindset. That mindset does not bode well, in my opinion, for the possibility of putting a replacement basketball/entertainment venue on or close to campus. I hope I am wrong.
If the team is a winner people will show up. If they are not winning big then it'll be more of the same.
That's Texas basketball. Always was, always will
My thought has always been to take advantage of the density that UT has. I would build it at Clark Field and go with a green roof that be the new Clark Field. That location would pretty much surround it with garages. You could even purchase a little land across MLK and do the same. I've always thought football should create its complex where the Rec Sports Center is. Two field indoor facility at ground level. Two field outdoor on the roof of it. Both backing up to the new Moncrief Newhouse(that will have to be fitted to the expanded stadium. This would unify the football facility and create a spectacular part of campus. That would probably take a billion dollars to build, but I actually expect that for the next go-round of combined football and basketball expenditures.
And as for when to build, if this medical school plan is already at that stage, then I buy 6 years more than 15. Now way you wait that long to start planning/buying up land. Would not be surprised to see it right across MLK between Tennis Center and the Museum or right next to the Disch Falk. No way they seperate it from campus.
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I like this idea a lot.
Not sure if its feasible (might get too dense), but I've felt for a while that green roofs are the future of recaptured green space in dense areas.
I agree that the type of season the Horns are having will always affect crowd size, that is just common sense. However, I completely disagree with the thought that placing a b-ball gym on campus within stumbling distance of Jester would not increase student attendance. I distinctly remember HATING two things about the FEC, the seating and the walk
First, without the ability to get good seats, pregaming was always required to get enough friends to go. Watching your team from the rafters just isn't a lot of fun unless it's a big game, and lets face it, UT doesn't play a ton of big games. Sure, I'd hit games with one or two friends, but break out a bottle of Jack and I'd have five or six willing to go
But then walking almost a mile, mainly uphill, caused you to lose your buzz well before even getting to the game, and because of that your flask would be empty by half time.
With better student seating and a better location, both of these problems are gone. Add in the fact that getting to campus from North Campus and West Campus is much easier than getting to the FEC, and this makes it easier for non-freshmen students to attend
As mentioned above, not placing the b-ball arena on campus is an awful idea
And Budreau, I was talking about demo'ing the Gregory gym that's currently our V-ball arena. I 100% know it won't happen (parking, cost, etc), but that is just where I believe it should go
Off topic, but was anyone able to take a class with Professor Speck? I took an architecture class as an engineering elective and he became my favorite professor immediately.
When I was in gradual school, I had a design studio that he co-taught. He has a good personality and is a very good lecturer. There were design instructors that I preferred to Larry. I do not mean that in any way to disparage him. He was younger then, and he had a more hands off approach to design studios than some others did. I was older than the average student and I liked more spirited discussion of ideas. He has always been very popular among students.
This is a very good point and I think UT should put the City of Austin on notice that the days of the UT arena being the large arena in town are numbered. This basketball program needs a small, intimate arena, and UT should not feel beholden to the City of Austin to create a large multipurpose venue.
It's gotta be on campus.
As a student, there were countless times where I couldn't get kids to go to a basketball game with me because "it was too far." This was during the Durant/Augustin/James times when we were still relevant. Most of these same kids would have to be dead to miss a football game.
I hear what you are saying. Personally, I would like to see a dedicated basketball facility. The problem is that if the University put the City of Austin on notice, they would also be putting themselves on notice. The University built and owns the Drum, and I am sure that they have become accustomed to the substantial revenue stream that it generates. You did not say this, but you may be intimating that the City of Austin benefits from a fair amount of sales taxes on ticket sales. This is true, but you also have to consider that the University does not pay property taxes to the City or County.
Ideally, a joint project for a large entertainment venue between the University and the City would be of benefit for all parties concerned. And precedents do exist. I believe that The Triangle project required cooperation between the State and the City, and as I understand it the Medical School will require some City/University cooperation. Historically, though, in Austin, the University and the State of Texas have generally preferred to dictate the direction of their own projects.
My point is that there is an opportunity here for a project that could benefit the greater good for both the University and the City of Austin. It is not so simple as to separate out the basketball facility from the special events facilities. Unless, of course, the University decides to build two separate facilities. Obviously, we are just going to have to wait and see how it plays out.
I said this on one of the other threads, and I am going to say it again here. There is a piece of land that is under-utilized that has enough room for a facility as big as the Drum, it's pedestal with all of the facilities that are under it, and the Denton Cooley Pavilion. Pull up Google Earth and look at the land bordered by MLK on the south, I-35 on the east, the Social Work School and the Swim Center on the west, and the track/soccer stadium/field house and the Manor Garage on the north.
That piece of land is open land without buildings. It has Robert Dedman Drive and Red River crossing it and ground parking lots. Red River and Robert Dedman Drive can be re-routed to the perimeter of the site. The access road and ramps for I-35 could even be re-routed somewhat. That site is big enough to accommodate a facility as large as the Drum, the pedestal that is sits on with the facilities that are underneath the pedestal, and the Denton Cooley Pavilion, even if they want to keep a combined facility of some sort. The ground parking can easily be either incorporated into the new facility, a new parking facility partially underground where Clark Field is now with Clark Field elevated on top, and/or new parking garages where there is ground parking to the east of the LBJ Library and School of Public Affairs. All of that parking would be shared with all of the other current.athletic facilities. No major buildings would have to be torn down - just some re-routing of streets and utilities infrastructure.
Folks, this is not rocket surgery. It is simply a matter of enough square footage where other things ain't.
Yeah they could definitely do something there. I will say if they decided to do a major project like that right there I'd advocate to think about doing something comprehensive that would benefit all the surrounding athletics programs.
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