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What a load of crap. This wasn't any different than 2000 or 2003. There isn't an ounce of difference between this loss and the 63-14 or 65-13 during the early 2000's . We were absolutely as inept in those games as we were today. Where was Vince Young in 2000, sucking on his mother's teat. Our defense and offense in both of those games were completely clueless, just as we were today.. Our offensive line was completely abused in both of those games. I just don't know why you make this kind of post. Its total crap and demeaning to anyone to try to claim otherwise. I was actually a sentient living being during those years and was completely despondent after both of the games. . Actually more despondent than I am today; if only because I was younger and I lived and died more around U.T. football than I do today. 2000 and 2003 were absolute disasters. The entire U.T. world was calling for Mack's head then, just as they are today.
There is one difference. Mack was 50 years old and trying to make his name in the two previous disasters. Now he is almost 65, rich and has a national championship to cement his legacy. Does he still have the fire in his belly to rebound from another disaster.
Seems to me there are at least 4 key areas to consider when looking at our problems with tackling, and blocking.
1) Do the players have adequately developed individual technique?
2) Do the players have sufficient physical talent (strength, speed, conditioning, mental, size) to overcome resistance by a trained opponent?
3) Do the players have the scheme to set them up to successfully employ their skill/talent advantage/s?
4) Are the players sufficiently motivated to maximize their skills/talent in game situations?
Re tackling in practice: this tries to address a problem in #1. It's a legit concern. It may or may not explain all the issues which are visibly observable in games. I think we also have some issues in #2 (plain beat) and #3 (out-schemed). We could be on the verge of also having problems in #4.
The first 3 areas need addressing for sure, and #4 if we lose it there too.
#1 is all about practice
#2 is mostly about recruiting and then S&C
#3 is all about OC and DC plus whatever HC overrides with
#4 is mostly about HC and how players respond to HC
just some thoughts out loud. Still trying to process this thing that has become so different than expected.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by jjloehr 21 months ago
I'd say that's an appropriate comment given Mack Brown is 5-9 against Stoops.
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The KU game is not guaranteed unfortunately. Charlie Weis is no slouch and all he has to do is watch the last 3 games to prepare for us. It's no secret how to beat UT: Run it down their throat.
Primarily "mental." Lack of toughness, to impose one's own will.
"Don't know. Never had one"
-- D. Royal-Mack Brown how to coach a team after a losing season
Sometimes good things come out when I'm drunk. Been a long day.
Bobby, Gerry, Jeff, etc., I know you have not called for any heads to roll on the coaching staff. With that said, can you offer three head coaches you would like to see Texas go after if Mack were to decide to hang it up? Thanks.
I'm still very doubtful it will be seen, the vacating of seats, much less of Season Ticket Sales-Holders, such as during
the Mac1 era.
That line just kills me to read. I see nothing special about Blow U this year. We are just not that good..
I completely disagree.
In all of those years, Mack had an excuse. Maybe it was turnovers, maybe it was a great OU team, maybe it was a young QB.
None of those excuses ring true today.
Furthermore, Texas, at those times, could take solace in still being the second best team in the league. Now what are the Horns? 6th to 8th best out of a 10-team league?
Feels a lot different to me. No excuses to be had.
Based on post game comments by former College football players and a former Texas Coach, one issue that was brought up repeatedly was, the lack of drive by the Texas defensive players when tackling. Not driving with their legs. This is a lack of desire, poor work ethic, mental. Fundamentals.
This post was edited by Bruce7 21 months ago
yea, it's become obvious by now that Mack Brown needs to out talent other teams to win. When he's facing a team with equal to or better talent, it's a struggle and execution breaks down exponentially it seems to where they can't even do the basics.
Texas needs to find a coach who has proven that his teams can consistently execute and play sound football regardless of talent or opponent. Preach it, make your players and coaches accountable, infuse elite Texas talent, and watch the wins pile up. Every game is a war. That's what the coaches and players mentality should be.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Silky Johnson 21 months ago
To me it made me realize that we have a Mack Brown problem that cannot be fixed. The one constant in all the blowouts are Mack and Madden. No one else is left to blame. The teams were at the least equal in talent. That OU team will lose another one to two games this year but they still managed to blowout Texas.
There are multiple noteworthy differences.
1. Those OU teams were great.This one is good.
2. Mack was still winning games in those early years. This year Texas was supposed to be back, after 5-7 and 8-5.
3. A&M was a joke back then. They have legit momentum on the recruiting trail, and the Texas loss just amplifies that, to go along with what Oklahoma now has. The 2014 class will be a battle to assemble.
This post was edited by WildBill71 21 months ago
Tackling is one thing. Shedding blocks and finding the ball carrier is another.
All of what tou say is accurate although I think every player is motivated to tackle.
To me, it all rests with the coaches ultimately. They recruit the players, they coach them, they deploy them, etc.
I know but I am referring to other games as well not just this game. when it comes to run blocking, tackling, and stopping the run. Some of that is not scheme that is plane on practice and teaching.
Well game planning, practice, scheme all of that is still lies on Mack Brown
OU has struggled to recruit Texas the past few years. We just opened the gate for them.
This was the worst UT loss I canremember since rout 66, with UCLA during Mackovic's last yr.
Interestingly, #3 is 100% in coaches control. #1 and #4 are about 50% coaches and 50% players, #2 is about 75% players and 25% coaches. Depending on where you see the issues can give you a little sense of where the responsibility lays most. If you think it is equally #1 thru #3, then that would be about 2/3's on the players, and 1/3 on the coaching. That's a bit different than the general sentiment tonight towards blaming the coaches and giving the players a "pass" for the most part. For example, I think Searles is doing a good job with what he has to work with on the OL. But I think the OL is especially troubled by #1 and #2. At LB, I think it is mostly #1, except for Cobbs, who I think is a big #2 issue since he is too undersized for LB. At Saftey (AP and MT) it seems to be #1 and #2 as well, similar to OL. Similiar to Cobbs, they both seem out of position.
The question becomes how many players can you hide who are a liability.
A lot of coaches can hide 1 position that is a liability. On our offense, we have at least 2: C and TE. Sometimes our FB is also liability. That is too many to hide. On defense, we also have 2 or 3 (LB and S). Again, too, too many to hide. Would a change in coach/scheme fix our tackling/blocking problems? That's a tall order...or should I say, a slow process.
This post was edited by jjloehr 21 months ago
I hear you.
I think it's a combo of scheme, what the players are being asked to do and the players themselves.
The tackling issues in the secondary are primarily with Adrian Phillips and Mykkele Thompson.
Phillips has wrapped up fewer times than he's given someone the shoulder. Thompson tries to tackle with his head down.
Vaccaro has missed some. Diggs got dragged today after going for the strip.
But mostly for me it's been the front four and what they're asking of those guys.
I'm trying to say there is more to tackling than just tackling someone one on one. There are pursuit angles, there is shedding blockers and maintaining leverage.
It's not just about openfield tackling.
That being said, it's the coaches job to pick out players who can do these things, to train them, etc.
In my opinion, the scheme is the biggest issue. Trying to tackle someone when they haven't touched in the first 20 yards straight on is difficult.
The main difference between this blowout and past blowouts is this was the second blowout in a row. That's a trend. This one, the second in a row, is on the heels of 5-7 and 8-5. Things seem different this time.
I'm of the opinion that many of the players (especially defensively) are tuning out the coaching at this point. Much like we heard rumors about in 2010. We've also heard whispers of finger pointing.
Any thoughts on locker room issues? I find it puzzling and troubling that the least little bit of adversity (losing to WVU) would cause a completion implosion of the program and a complete quit job this afternoon. Something else must be rotten in Denmark, right?
I felt like Mack lost the defense somewhat when he went for it on 4th and 12 against WVU. That shows absolutely no faith.
Of course, the defense got the ball right back but the offense did zilch with it.
Mack's thoughts that it's a new age in the Big 12 because of the offenses, I'm just not buying it. It was just as much about not having faith in his D.
There will always be some amount of finger pointing in a locker room after a loss. That's just the way it is.
This post was edited by BobbyBurton 21 months ago
This one does seem different to me, but I think it is because we had false hopes that this team was further along in the re-building process than it really was. This game proved otherwise.
Don't get me wrong, I am still ticked at what happened today but I have to remind myself that we are in year 2 of a rebuilding project. After the disaster in 2010, Mack canned some long-time assistants, hired several hot-commodity assistants that injected new energy into the program (hires applauded by the pundits nationwide), and essentially installed new offensive and defensive schemes using players recruited to play in other systems. Going into the season, most thought the offense would be mediocre (still learning a new system, sub-par offensive line, questionable skill position personnel other than Shipley and at RB, etc.) and the defense would be this team's strength and that 2014 was the year everyone thought it would all come together. Turns out everyone was wrong on the first part--the offense started out like gangbusters but sputtered last week and hit a brick wall this week while the defense has completely sucked. What happens in 2014 remains to be seen.
This team still should've performed better today but, going into the season, I did not expect them to be hitting on all cylinders in all phases of the game by now. It will be interesting to see how both sides of the ball respond to this beat down and what Mack does to generate the response, especially since he typically relies on his coordinators to handle/teach their respective units. My guess is that Harsin will be fine. Diaz, however, may not recover. Time will tell. If this season turns into another 2010, then Mack should be held accountable.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Danno2 21 months ago
To all the posters on this thread: Yes, the last 3 years
have been inexcusable. Yes, Mack needs to go. I only
have one question: After the game in '09 when we had
just beaten OU for the 4th time in 5 years, did Stoops
have his "Jihad" get his guys "more fired up" "outcoach"
Mack in this big rivalry game, etc...? It's easy now to
pile on, and I am as guilty as anyone, but I don't believe
ANY POSTER was saying all these things after the "09
game! If you did, I totally missed it! If you want to say this
is the case the last 3 years, I agree, but don't tell me you
believed this in '09. You, as i did, thought we had "turned
the corner" and Mack no longer had that "deer in the
headlights" vs. Stoops as the series was narrowed to
6-5 Mack vs. Stoops. To say it's always been like this
the past 14 years is just not fair.
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