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I like Ash would have been so much farther along at this point if Case's last name wasn't McCoy that it's not even funny.
Everyone wants to dismiss David Ash. Why? He was "third" on the depth chart while playing as a true freshman. Then in his sophmore year, Mack refused to name a clear QB and entertained the two-QB system crap which made Ash look over his shoulder every two seconds, hardly able to get comfortable. This season will be Ash's third and the ONLY one where going in he knows he is "the guy". Seems rather stupid for people to write off a player that is just now getting a legit opportunity to be the starter.
While everything you said may be true in some sense I guess, here is the plain truth - Ash has indeed had the opportunity to show whether he's the man or not. Plenty of opportunity. He has turned in some good performances. He has also stunk up the joint.
Ash has not been slighted. If he were truly worthy of the unequivocal, clear role as starting QB, it would be easily his by now. But he just can't rise to that level.
Maybe he will next year, not saying he won't. But so far, no cigar.
He hasn't had the opportunity I'm posting about. He was slightled. Clearly. It's hard to rise to a certain level when you're getting pushed back down by some bullshit. Hopefully that has changed. I suspect it has. So far? No cigar when it comes to getting the first team reps during the Spring and Summer before the season. Can't even really believe you attempted to convince me that what he's going through now is the same as what he went through the first two seasons.
Response to #1 -
Ash gets "pushed back down" by going into shut down mode. Not just some "BS".
Response to #2 -
I can't either.
Interesting. I make a statement. You try to explain it for me. Funny.
So when Ash led Texas to a win over Cal in the Holiday Bowl while Case was putting out transfer feelers he wasn't named the starter last Spring because he went "into shut down mode"?
Explain to me how that works.
Dude takes care of the ball, plays within himself, wins a bowl game and then goes into shut down mode so much so that a suspect (at best considering the transfer crap) Case McCoy is instantly back in the mix and taking half of the first team reps that Spring? Yeah, that's not "going into shut down mode" that's going into "this is some bullshit" mode.
But please, explain it to me.
+1 browncounty and I wish you were wrong, wrong, wrong. Wishing want make it so. I'd rather have the QB at Louisville after going to the Sugar Bowl but I don't think he is available. I know Florida wishes he had been playing for the Longhorns. Of course if Bridgewater had been playing for Texas then Florida would have been playing him anyway unless we had gotten a better Bowl than the Sugar Bowl. The QB is that important and just because he puts on Brunt Orange dosen't make him good.
This post was edited by cohorn 13 months ago
I feel pretty confident in saying Case McCoy is the worst starting QB in the history of Texas, maybe the 1938 guy was worse. This guy has no business being on the depth chart of a D-1 football team, the only reason he is still here is because no one else would take him and Mack wouldn't get rid of someone if he had no place to go. Macks sad devotion to bleeding for the program has not helped conjure up a quality depth chart nor gotten rid of helicopter parents. Ash is an above average QB, if we had an above average coach we would have been able to win the conference, unfortunately the Texas situation is what it is. If Case is the primary backup again this year we're entering a world of pain.
If Ash had played like an outstanding QB all season then Case woud never have been on the field except in a mopup role. this is fact whether he was only a little better than McCoy or 3 tmes as good.The fact that didn't happen is on Ash and no one else. If McCoy had not come in and played as well as he did in the games that he did play good Texas would not have played in the Holiday Bowl or the Alamo bowl. The haters need to give him credit for that. How pissed off would you haters be if Texas had not played in any bowl and we have come with in minutes of that happening. He's not the reason we won all the games we won. He wasn't even part of some, or most, of those victories, but why can't he be given credit for his accomplishments. only that.
The handling of the QB's has been bad for whatever reason. The only stability was Colt and I believe had Perrilloux signed that would have ended differently for Colt.
I'll give Case credit for one thing, his 25 yard herp derp scramble against aggy. That is it, he's done nothing else besides waste a scholarship.
Case was a 3-star recruit with offers from Florida, Florida St, Auburn, and A&M, among others. He's a decent qb. Him being our back up qb is more of an indictment of our qb situation than it is of Case. Saying he's a crappy qb who had a few lucky plays is not right.
Confidence doesn't mean shit when you can't make the throws. For every decent throw he has, he throws 2 or 3 "Are you freaking kidding me" throws. If defense and special teams does not bail him out against Aggy, his run means nothing. Ash has got his issues but it is not close. That's not how great David has been. That's how bad Case has been when we are given any more than small doses.
This post was edited by Bandit18 13 months ago
I've already acknowledged Ash had a good bowl game. You're wasting our time. You recognize that Texas played other games last year too, yes? I don't know, let's see... like maybe THE KANSAS GAME!!! Did you catch that doozy?
Sorry, he may not have turned into Colt but this is not all on David. The QB situation has been mismanaged for several years and that is the coaches fault, especially Mack. Ash should be coming into this year as a RS Soph ready to go. It also doesn't help that a change in philosophy on what they want to do on offense is now being implemented. Again.
As for hating, no. I just do not want him taking any reps any longer from guys that have a chance to develop. He was a legacy pick. I don't care what his rating or offers indicated. He should have never been offered.
He's a scrappy QB who had a few lucky plays.
I think he's a fine backup. Could we do better? Sure. Can he win a game in a pinch? I think so. Multiple games? I'm willing to give it a shot. If Ash gets hurt and Case stinks up the joint you can always throw Brewer in to see how he does. Brewer is just a couple plays away.
Another reason why Case would be a good backup this season? The new uptempo gameplan. I could see him being successful with a quick, short passing/screen game.
Not saying Brewer shouldn't get a shot at backup. He should. That's part of why I was pissed he didn't get reps in the first week. Still only takes a couple plays though...
No, explain it to me. How does Ash deserving but not getting first team reps after the Holiday Bowl on him? How was that him "shutting down"? Don't change the subject.
I think Ash not getting first team reps after the Holiday Bowl reveals one of two things...
Either the coaching staff is part of a McCoy conspiracy and have sold their soul to the McCoy family so they are desperate to give Case chance after chance or...
The coaching staff didn't/doesn't have confidence in Ash and were desperate to find an answer at quarterback. Unfortunately, the only other option at the time was McCoy but they figured there was nothing to lose with a little competition. It's a polite wake up call to the QBs saying "We're not getting it done at the QB position".
In my opinion, Ash isn't the answer and Case definitely isn't. I have no idea if the answer is even on campus yet. With our bad oline and a group of potentially talented but unproven play-makers, we need more than a game manager from the QB position. We need a play-maker. I hope Ash becomes that guy but for me personally he hasn't shown that he has that in him. To me his high end is Craig Krenzel (Not talking stats, just style of play). But when you don't have Maurice Clarett (circa 2002) and a suffocating defense, Craig Krenzel kind of sucks.
I'm with ya on Brewer. He seems to be the invisible man. Played well in last years spring game.
But as a side note, I think people underestimate how much Garrett Gilbert not working out cost us at the qb position. Didn't we lose Woods and Kinne to transfer because of him? And who knows what qb's we missed out on because they didn't want to ride the bench behind him. He impacted our qb recruiting until the 2012 recruiting class.
Wow this is a good point. Likely would have had another QB circus back then if Perrilloux were around.
Mack just can't develop a QB. Rather than a great one developing, they all just fight it out using the same talent they came to Austin with.
All I can conclude is you believe that everybody else should just be pushed to the back burner so that we don't huwt wittle Davy's feelwings.
David Ash has not earned unequivocal, head-and-shoulders, without a doubt, de facto numero uno, default QB at Texas. He has not earned it. Others can take some reps too.
But David is the #1, and it is his job, and he will be the man trotting out onto the field on opening day. Will he nail it down? I doubt it. He is lackluster, he is inconsistent, and he will prove that once again. The coaches know this.
So no, all eggs are not in the Ash basket, but he is deemed #1. And that's only for HIM to lose.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by browncounty 13 months ago
Brewer should be the starter, Ash the backup.
There is nothing more dangerous in this world than a man with nothing to lose.
Last year should have been the first time Ash saw the field. Last years bad games by Ash should have been chalked up to youth and inexperience. If Ash shows similar improvement this year as he showed last year, then the QB position will be in good hands. McCoy almost broke his brothers record for consecutive completions against KSU but he also threw two of the worst out routes that I've ever seen. If McCoy plays at all then the out route must be removed. He simply doesn't have the arm strength to even have the route in our playbook. I agree that McCoy can come in and pull out a save but that is about the extent of it. If McCoy had to come in for more than one game, his lack of arm strength is so pronounced that any decent defense coordinator will jam the middle of the field and take away our passing game. Our QB situation is so bad that our backup QB couldn't transfer to any non aq school and get a scholarship.
Again, you failed to answer the question. Not surprised.
We lost three roster QBs because of Gilbert.
Sherrod, Connor Wood, and Kinne.
No telling who all we missed out on by not offering.
Luck, RGIII, etc.
I'll go ahead and predict another QB quagmire by 3rd quarter of the BYU game.
2nd game of the season - BYU. The 2011 exit for Garrett Gilbert.
And now 2013 approaches. 2nd game of the season - BYU. Exit for Ash?
Because we know New Mexico State is not going to reveal anything.
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