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On the season, they have combined for
To underscore just how bad that is, I will offer the comparison of the freshman years of Chapman and Wangmene, two far less regarded prospects, who went for
The ratio of turnovers to field goal attempts is truly staggering. Even at his worst, Pittman was less than1:3 (22/68 as a sophomore). I will note it has gotten better in conference play. They have 12 turnovers and 50 fga in conference, but they are being fed the ball a lot less, as the ratio of offensive rebounds to fga has gone way up.
I knew Ibeh was a complete project on the offensive side coming in. I knew Ridley would struggle getting a shot over taller defenders. I had no idea that Ridley couldn't catch an entry pass.
Beyond having Ibeh take a million passes and turn to shoot a half hook over his left shoulder and having Ridley take a million bounce passes and fake one way and turn the other for the shot, what should be done with these guys over the summer? I really don't see how either is ready for much of anything until they can handle the basic demand of catch, turn, shoot (and pass when double teamed).
This post was edited by bierce 17 months ago
Bierce - this may come across sarcastic, but I mean it in a very serious way...
Ridley & Ibeh would improve significantly under a new HC...has nothing to do with their game, work ethic, anything else...I believe multiple players on this team would see significant growth as players with a new HC...& I'm convinced that's the only way we'll see significant improvement from these players
Posted this before...make Brad Stevens say no...make him an offer that's higher than Barnes is currently making...& throw in ridiculous bonuses...a house in Barton Creek...private school for his kids paid by the school...hell, even his own parking spot on campus...whatever it takes
Stevens + Springmann + Lanier would be outrageously successful @ Texas, IMVHO
This post was edited by mcb0703 17 months ago
What will it take for them to get rid of Barnes?? And if they do I want buzz Williams from Marquette!!
I'm not certain that I disagree with you about Barnes, but I was hoping for something specific about what should be taught to them and how it should be taught.
Ridley is more concerning.
I think we all knew Ibeh was a work in progress offensively.
Ridley just has no fire.
I don't know if he truly loves playing basketball.
He needs to have a Pittman like offseason.
Rick Barry style free throws and a good point guard.
Yes, he doesn't look to be in shape at all. I remember being down voted a bunch back in October when I raised the issue that his weight didn't seem to be going in the right direction after a small early loss last summer.
No Stevens + Springmann + Lanier. New coach would likely bring in his own assistants. Besides, more than likely, Coach Barnes is no where near gone.
Now back to the original thread. I like having " ... Ibeh take a million passes and turn to shoot a half hook over his left shoulder and having Ridley take a million bounce passes and fake one way and turn the other for the shot ...". Also, I like having each of them shooting a million free throws ... naw, make it two million ... if they start now, that's only about 7,400 free throws per day until the first of November. OK, I know that is a bit much, so drop it back down to a million each.
All joking aside, lots of free throws. Also, Ridley needs to adhere to a very strict conditioning and weights program. He needs to be in better shape next year. Also, I have read that quick reaction eye hand drills catching tennis balls does wonders. Stick them both in front of a tennis ball machine for two hours a day. They are both already quite a presence defending the basket as it is. Just think how happy everybody else would be if they both were to develop an offensive presence.
This post was edited by BudreauReye 17 months ago
Developing big men seems to have always been a challenge for Texas. Do we need a big man coach like Chris Mihn?
Chris Mihm was volunteering at Texas earlier in the season. I remember seeing him behind the bench at some games and also seeing a local news report on him. He graduated in the Fall. He may have been a student assistant. In this video about his graduation, he mentions that he has helped with the basketball program since he has been back working on his degree for the past year and a half. Don't know in what capacity or if he is still there. I will look for him at the game Wenesday.
I agree here, Ridley's conditioning appears to be very poor. Seems like he is gassed after moving up and down the floor for two minutes. The muscle he is gaining is "table muscle" from curling a fork and spoon too often to his mouth.
I know some people have the mindset, no matter the sport, that a new coach could magically transform everything. I tend to believe that coaches merely help develop players. Players who lack skills, confidence, or an understanding of the game are not going to suddenly become stars because a different voice whispered in their ear.
I know it may come as a shock, but many players are overhyped coming out of high school. Big men are especially hard to gauge in high school, because they usually are able to physically overwhelm their opponents. This was likely the case with Ridley. I tend to think a lot of the problem is with Ridley and Ibeh themselves, because they often can't hold onto the ball long enough to make an uncontested layup. Aside from some dunks, they don't seem to have much offensive skill at all.
There may be no better example of developing and getting the most from a big man than the job Barnes did with Jason Klotz. However, Klotz took a redshirt year, and then gradually improved. That being said, Barnes hasn't recruited many true centers. He has had some quality post players, but they were mostly power forwards.
I think Barnes coaches players for the long haul. He looks at his job being developing their abilities and teamwork over time. I think that he takes that approach, even when he is dealing with one or two year players. Thus, Hamilton spent most of his freshman year in the doghouse, but flourished his second year. I don't know if that is a good approach, but at least it is consistent.
IMO, scoring the ball as a post is a god given gift unless one works his ass off 24/7 to totally transform himself. True low post players take longer time to develop and both guys will improve somewhat over time. If either were great in the post, then they'd be lottery picks.
1) Ibeh will NEVER be a serious offensive post threat. He is just too raw and doesn't know what to do with the ball. All we really need him to do his play defense, block shots, rebound, dunk, and make bunnies. Any other low post scoring from him will be a bonus. IMO, he's even further behind offensively than Alexis Wangmene.
2) Ridley is almost too damn big for his own good. His sheer size is limiting his mobility, quickness, and conditioning. He does have a nice touch, and has some moves, but it takes him too long to process what he wants to do with the ball once the guards feed him. With experience he'll get better. Todd Wright will play a major role with Ridley's physical development, and Ridley better lay off the midnight snacks and buffets.
Each guy will improved over time, so patience is the key here. Personal motivation and how bad they want to improve will be up to each one of them.
Good points. We're talking about fixing their offense, but this is a quote from Barnes after the game:
"There is no doubt that Cameron (Ridley) and Prince (Ibeh) are trying--they really are. We would love for them to score, but what we've got to have from all our post players is rebounds. You need to set good screens. You need to play defense. I thought Prince and Cam were really trying. Maybe Cam is trying way too hard because he wants to do well. They work."
In other words, there may be all sorts of reasons why they don't score, but why can't they rebound?
Can't see Springmann and Lanier hanging around if a new coach is hired -- either one of them might have wanted it. But it'd be cool if they did.
“Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11
how can either of these guys score when they get the ball about 3 times per game.
Terrible post!! The one thing Barnes has proven consistently over his time here is that he can develop players. He is the opposite of Mack Brown when it comes to player development.
And to think that Springmann and Lanier would be here under Stevens or any other coach for that matter, is completely ignorant. There is a almost a 0% chance of either being here if Barnes is ever fired.
There are tons of drills that both can do to improve. But the reality is that both need time to develop.
We have to remember that Ridley started playing basketball in 9th grade. He just needs to keep working hard, keep working on his post moves, and improve his conditioning.
Ibeh, needs a lot of time, but as stated earlier he will probably never be a good offensive player. He's just so raw in so many areas.
I would start with developing one go to post move for both, and one counter move. Maybe use heavy balls, tennis balls, balls with water in them, reaction balls, etc for developing their hands.
Very good post, HoopsCoach! Other than the comment about Mack - neither agreeing or disagreeing, football just does not enter my mind when I think about basketball - you did a pretty good job of reading my mind! ;) I don't consider myself to have any real expertise regarding basketball, but my understanding of how things work in college basketball coaching sez that any new coach would almost certainly bring in assistants of his own choosing. And, say, if the Athletic Director tried to force the issue, that would pretty much dictate that that coach would not be coming to Texas. I think it is more of an issue of control for the incoming coach rather than whether Springmann or Lanier are good coaches. Of course, they are good coaches and recruiters, and as in anything else, I am sure that there are all kinds of exceptions.
Balls with water in them ... that is an interesting concept that I have not heard of before. That would definitely help develop sure handedness. I understand using tennis balls to help develop quick reaction eye/hand coordination, but I have never heard the term "reaction balls" before. Could you explain? My wife just informed me that it is bed time for me, so I will have to catch your response on the flip side of La La Land. I appreciate your contribution to basketball commentary.
Yep, did think of that as well...I believe there's a greater chance of both staying than would be under normal coaching change situations because of their reputations throughout college coaching world...
I do agree a new coach would most likely bring in his own staff...but if Springmann & Lanier are available, that may give the new coach 2nd thoughts
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by mcb0703 17 months ago
Coaches are very loyal to the ones who have helped them with their careers. With that in mind, Springmann wouldn't work for anyone else, here. Barnes and Donovan made his career.
Lanier only would if it was someone he worked with previously, or was very close with. I just don't see that happening.
The balls with water in them is an old Nolan Richardson trick. As the ball is passed, the water shifts and make the ball move in unnatural directions. This forces the players to really focus on the ball, and react quickly.
Reaction balls, are small objects that can be purchased at most sporting goods stores. They have a small round center with round nubs on the various sides. You toss them in the air and try to catch them off the bounce before they bounce a certain amounts of times. You have no clue where the ball is going. It all depends on which nub it hits and at what angle. Works on reaction time, foot quickness, hand eye coordination, etc.
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