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You've made this personal. I'm not narrow minded. Congratulations for being the only person in recorded history to exclude your personal experience (ie. bias) in the hiring process. I didn't say I supported a firm downgrading a PSU degree. I merely confirmed it is part of this cruel world to do so. Again, there are always winners and losers.
I don't think saying it was a narrow minded question makes it personal anymore than suggesting I am naive for my opinion on the matter. I didn't consider it personal.
I never said I haven't had bias. Bias in life is part of life especially in the hiring process. I was once hired because the interviewer liked the smell of my cologne. She told me that after the fact. Attractive people, gender, what school you attended and on and on. It goes on all the time.
I am saying that the idea that what happened in the ath dept would have little bearing on a decision to hire someone from the engineering department from the same school and thats a bias I can get beyond. There are a number of criteria I would look at including the quality of education and how they did. But what happened in the ath dept doesnt impact that unless of course the candidate was part of it or I was an ath department looking to hire a coach, trainer etc..
Again, to me, the engineering school didn't just suddenly become bad because of what happened.
Justice for the children is all that really matters. This football "penalty" is meaningless. I think the NCAA should've kept their noses out of this but don't really care.
That would not be good.
I don't think it was negotiated, but I could be wrong. It just smells too much like a witch hunt at this point with not enough rational and calculated thought put into it. I'm thinking the ncAA acting so hastily without investigation means they aren't wanting PSU to play football this season and since we're on the eve of August they feel it necessary to judge now without the time to conduct their own investigation. While I can understand that, it's a shame due process will not be allowed here.
I'm sure that all of this has been devastating to the Paterno family, but they need to stop commenting publicly about everything that happens. They especially need to stop their constant whining about due process. Due to his death, Joe Paterno will (luckily) never have to face the due process awaiting his co-conspirators. Making public statements that imply that Louis Freeh is some kind of hack who knows nothing about the law or conducting an investigation strains credulity. He is a former Federal judge, and former FBI Director. The evidence he presented would be hard to misinterpret. Collaborating witnesses cannot be cross-examined because of their constitutional right to avoid self-incrimination.
Given the way that Paterno is revered, even now, in State College, it seems certain that if anyone had even a shred of exonerating evidence to offer on his behalf, they would have surely done so by now. A complete investigation, along with public exposure of all the evidence, should be the last thing that the Paterno family seeks.
I would normally agree with waiting for due process and believe it inappropriate for the NCAA to use someone else's investigation on which to base its sanctions. However, there are several factors to consider in this unique situation:
1. Freeh is a former Director of the FBI. I would assume to reach that level, he has a track record of proven ability to investigate and make a case.
2. Clearly he knew that his findings would be scrutinized to the highest degree possible due to the notoriety of the case and the people involved; therefore, I'm reasonably certain his "i" s were dotted and "t"s crossed.
3. There were over 3.5 million documents reviewed, countless interviews over a 6-8 month period with untold number of people participating, an example of the thoroughness.
4. This isn't just about Paterno, but the PSU Administration (AD & President) that proof has been provided were knowledgeable of the situation and did nothing. Thus lack of institutional control has been proven regardless of what Paterno actually knew or did (since he didn't do email and his family's claim of innocence).
5. The Chairman of the Board of Trustees has resigned because he has admitted / found guilty of knowing about it last April and not informing other Trustees. That is at the very top of this institution - the last bastion of control over a university and its actions.
6. This was a report commissioned by PSU and conducted by a person of their choosing. Thus, the findings can be considered an admission of their own fact finding. What additional facts do you need?
At first, I agreed that this issue is criminal and not within the authority of the NCAA to act. But I guess a case could be made that there was a lack of institutional control in PSU that has led to an embarrassment and detriment to the NCAA (bigger picture). A lot of the reason for the death penalty for SMU wasn't what they did, but for continuing to condone it and cover it up by the Board after getting on probation (including a former Governor of Texas). This situation has a lot in common with that component of SMU. PSU Administrators, professors and even the janitors all testified about how Paterno ran the show and no one dared cross him. That culture has to be corrected just as it had to be in SMU. The only way to do that is with some very stern medicine and not just a few scholarships that won't have that much impact and allow business as usual. Just my opinion.
Former directors of the FBI have needlessly persecuted individuals to further political gain, including several instances under the Volstead Act. If this situation should teach us anything it's that one man's word should NEVER be taken as sole gospel. At least two or three different entities should be investigating, in this case it would be Freeh, US prosecuting attorney's office, and NCAA.
Not trying to pick a fight, but, what would be the authority for the US Attorney to enter this matter?
Congratulations on all of your success and thank you for the resume quoting. Someday I aspire to be able to hire people and start companies and experience success and know what I am talking about like you. I doubt I'll ever get the courage to do so, however, and therefore I'll just collect an educated browbeating from a captain of industry like you as a result of my ignorant questioning.
Regarding the scenario where you attempted to expand my point into the Theater of the Absurd where I apparently was implying that the people at PSU are all pedophiles, that's just weak bullshit and a poorly used rhetorical tactic. I merely stated that anyone from that institution at this point has some questions about who they are. It's an institutional problem in which the program, the school, the alumni base, and the students have all proven themselves myopic, insular, and imbalanced in their handling of the issues versus the gravity of the circumstances for anyone else paying attention.
Comparing a situation like this with PSU, which occurred over decades and involved thousands of people in terms of total output with the problem, to a one man shooting frenzy from a tower is one of the dumbest analogies I have ever seen put on a board, and that's saying something. Wipe the clown make-up that is tearing down your face from your eyes, back away from the keyboard for a bit and remember to "chillax man", "it's just a recruiting board".
Brett McMurphy @McMurphyCBS Iowa president tells Des Moines Register Big Ten could add additional punishment to Penn State after NCAA's
9 and 4 at Texas sucks!
- Jeff Howe
They're the biggest player as the prosecutor's office will need to investigate to bring charges on the president of the university and those involved directly in the cover up. They got Sandusky convicted and Paterno's dead, but their job isn't done by a long shot. They need to bring Spanier, et al up on charges as well if their findings and evidence is consistent with the Freeh report.
More food for thought...
"After this, it isn't clear whether the NCAA is a representative democracy anymore. Not if its executive branch has decided that the best way to punish an abuse of absolute power is by granting more absolute power."
When I write about the NCAA, I usually include a disclaimer for those unfamiliar with how the organization works.
"One source told Yahoo! Sports Emmert’s sanctions will include a “multiple-year” bowl ban and “crippling” scholarship losses. Penn State will not receive the "death penalty."
Crippling financial penalty probably coming in addition to rumored post season ban(s) and scholly reductions to the tune of $30-$60 million.
The NCAA will announce taken against the Penn State football program Monday morning an 9 a.m. Eastern, sanctions CBSSports.com's Brett McMurphy reports could include a fine of as much as $60 million.
Excellent piece. I liked this:
"Throughout his brief tenure, Emmert has made a habit of licking his finger and checking the wind before doing anything meaningful."
“Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11
So why didn't they dish out severe punishment during the Duke rape case?
I guess because the charges turned out not to be true? Also, not one of the accused was a senior administrator or coach at Duke.
"I've heard some of our fans say, 'We were always an SEC school. We just didn't know it," athletic director Bill Byrne said.
Yes it was
“@BryanDFischer: #PennState QB commit Christian Hackenberg said he'll speak with Bill O'Brien in the next hour or two.”
If they get the "death penalty" it would devastate the economy of Happy Valley, PA where the hotels and restaurants depend on the football revenue.
IMHO not the best idea to devastate the area's economy and punish the innocent as a consequence. As they say two wrongs won't make a right. Do not make the mistake of taking food off the table of people who can't afford it through no fault of their own.
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Not to poke fun or make light, but to think a mod came out yesterday to say that the NCAA wasn't going to penalize PSU... and now the Big 10 might be called for 'piling on'!!
I doubt ctj could keep the lights on...
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