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The focus on UT Compliance is misplaced. The punishment does not even come close to fitting the offense. Not even in the same universe.
But better to have one player sitting than an entire basketball program for a few years.
Lesson: Just don't lie.
Jay Bilas continues to rant about the same thing. He couldn't stop railing on the NCAA about the hypocrisy via a vis the Graham Spanier case. In their statement about Kabongo, the NCAA cited their reasons for the suspension based on Kabongo's unethical conduct and called him a liar.
Kabongo never lied to the NCAA.
But Spanier gets all the legal representation he wants, so the NCAA never called him a liar or unethical.
Pretty direct evidence of the hypocrisy and further damnation of the NCAA and their outdated mandate of protecting amateur status and the players.
I would love to see a high-profile attorney take up this case on behalf of Kabongo just to see how far they could take a case against the NCAA. Again, I seriously doubt that will happen given the lack of legal merit of such a case.
The only way the NCAAs mandate and direction will change, absent university presidents pushing it, is Congressional review.
The final slap in the face came out during the game today, when the announcers revealed that the only way the NCAA or anybody else who cared found out about the trip was because Kabongo tweeted about it while he was on the trip.
If I were a college coach, I would absolutely ban my players from social media. Can you imagine John Wooden putting up with this?
I'm confused about what the lie was. If the "truth" wasn't that big of deal, then why would Kabongo lie?
Because kids often panic and don't know what to do. Contrary to the popular belief of the holier than thou's on this thread, not every 18 year old has been raised to tell the truth at all costs. Some of them panic in situations when they don't know what's going on.
Kabongo was brought in by the UT compliance staff without anyone telling Coach Barnes. If I was a head coach, and someone in my organization was bringing my players in without my knowledge, I would absolutely be PISSED!!!! A simple phone call from the compliance staff to Barnes saying, "hey coach, we think Myck Kabongo violated NCAA rules, you need to go talk to him before we call him in." ....that could've resulted in Kabongo telling the truth from the get go, and he'd be playing TODAY! Or hell...the compliance staff could've called Dodds who could've then relayed the information to Barnes.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by horn1chris 16 months ago
My guess is athletes, whether right or wrong, are often over protected. Sounds like, in this case, Kabongo was under protected. Real shame, for him, the coach, the team, and the fans. I hope someone in the compliance office is having a great Christmas.
This is absolutely right. UT compliance's job is to gather facts. What they had to do to get those facts is none of the NCAA's business.
Barnes needs to be shown the door !!! We can do better than all this BS
The harping on the compliance department does suggest a bent toward absolution.
As an attorney this situation smacks of Myck having screwed up and then lying to try to avoid responsibility. If a client lies to me I certainly take appropriate steps to rectify any misstatements I've made to a court on the basis of those lies.
It's baffling to me why so man of you constantly seek to lay blame at the doorstep of Bellmont. And the insistence on doing so is getting to be bizarre.
There's plenty wrong in the athletic department, but not everything. Learn to distinguish.
that kabongo was questioned by the compliance officer without barnes' knowledge gives me more confidence in our compliance office.
are people really arguing that kabongo should have been counseled not to lie or how to shape the "truth" before meeting with compliance officers?
if he's suspected of violating NCAA rules, why does he need to speak to Barnes or anyone else?
Both Myck and Belmont can both have done wrong. It's OK to say it. You're not a bad fan for finding fault where it's obvious. You really think compliance's actions are defensible?
Criminal defendants ALL lie. There is no "rectifying" that. Good representation usually involves not taking a client at his word.
This post was edited by cain78749 16 months ago
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dust read mcb post about Cleve Bryant and the support given him by the AD etc vs Myck..................we are comparing a criminal act vs a trip (and workout) against NCAA rules.
"Leadership is wisdom, courage and great carelessness of self"
Again, who said it wasn't Myck's fault that he was suspended?
And once again, why the need to excuse what is clearly incompetent behavior on the part of compliance?
Is Rick wrong for being angry?
And if there were more illicit acts by the player that makes compliance's ridiculous over-disclosure even dumber.
No one is suggesting Myck does not share some of the blame here. But the CO is there to help the kids when situtations like this arise. To guide them through the process of dealing with the NCAA. It sounds as though we had a pretty large failure at the CO to properly help the young man. Not surprising however as it seems everything under DD's watch the last few years is in disarray.
Let's review our Athletic Departments' managerial record recently:
1. Brian Davis and the academic support staff repeatedly causing athletes to lose eligibility
2. Director of Football Operations caught up in a sex harassment case that requires the AD to cut a large check to make Gloria Alldred go away
3. The evolving Bev Kearney situation, which will be a public embarassment if it ever becomes public
4. The football coaching succession plan blowing up in our faces (HCIW situation)
5. The less-than-successful launch of a Longhorn Network that has caused more brand damage to the University and our athletic situation (read: conference situation) than any amount of money could compensate for
6 The sub-optimal handling of conference realignment that has landed us in a situation for we're battling to keep the #4 or #5 conference in America afloat.
7. The AD Compliance office causing a public embarassment in it's handling of the Kabongo case.
8. Staffing decisions - Gail G, Diaz returning for year 3, Konradt hanging on 5 years too long, etc..
If any organization evaluated the managerial competence and strategic decision making of our AD, they would've been fired for any number of these incompetence-based situations. How does an AD keep his job with repeatedly embarassing the University through managerial incompentence?
The answer is "$150mm in annual revenues". This is the curse of UT for me. We delude ourselves into thinking "we're #1 so we must be doing something right..." We have both an AD and a university President who think that because we are #1 in revenues generated, that this somehow means that we are competent in our management of resources and correct in our decision making. We're not. Our football program and overall athletic department are shining examples sub-optimal organizations. They don't understand that being #1 in revenues is not the consquence of excellence in running the organization, rather it is instead just a near-inevitable result based on resources that can be achieved in spite of sub-optimally running the organization. IF we had an AD that actually held excellence as the standard both in resource allocation and organizational efficiency and results, than being #1 in revenues would not only STILL be a result, it would go hand-in-hand with on-field success and lack of publicly embarassing situations like those lise above.
Instead, we have bureaucrats who are old, tired, and milking paychecks as they wait for annuities to vest. The result is repeated embarassing AD situations, and placing UT in a sub-optimal competitive situation regarding conference affiliation, TV exposure, and brand management. It'll take the next AD several years to dig out from the hole that our current AD is putting us in....and yet we'll still be #1 in revenues the whole time. There's the UT curse.
Endust has it right. It's not the compliance department's job to help the players or basketball staff cover anything up or paint something in the best light possible. Also, it's very possible that the compliance department gave the NCAA wrong information based on what Kabongo told them. I imagine that is not a position they like being put in.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by kevwun 16 months ago
From The University of Texas Athletic Department website concerning Risk Management and Compliance...just me, but I'm not sure I see the "support" from this department for MK...
& I wanna make it clear that MK put himself in this position, & as Gerry posted, there may be more to the story...but as I've posted as well, Cleve Bryant received more "support" from the university during his fiasco...I'm simply stating MK should've been afforded the opportunity to have a representative on his behalf
"Welcome to The University of Texas at Austin Athletics Departments' Risk Management and Compliance Services Web pages. The University of Texas at Austin Athletics Departments take pride in operating our athletics programs with integrity. We are dedicated to enforcing adherence to the rules and regulations of the NCAA and the Big 12 Conference by our student-athletes, coaches, administrators and supporters. The goal of the Athletics Risk Management and Compliance Services office is to provide the education and support that our student-athletes, coaches, administrators and supporters need to make the right decisions and comply with the rules. We welcome your questions and, like every aspect of The University of Texas athletics program, we strive to be the best at what we do."
This post was edited by mcb0703 16 months ago
If all they said was, if you lie to us, it's like lying to the NCAA and will cause you serious problems if it's discovered that you lied, that would have been enough.
“Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11
You really think someone should have told him not to lie to the UT compliance department? Are UT athletes only required to tell the truth when lying could get them in trouble?
No, of course not. It's to put them on notice that if they're thinking about lying, they'd better think again.... a Miranda warning for the NCAA, if you will.
Bryant's situation potentially costs UT BIG bucks. Kabongo's worst case scenario doesn't involve the same kind of financial exposure for the school.
Disciplina praesidium civitatis
Kabongo's issues could cost Texas $$$$...Kabongo is a difference maker between Texas making the NIT or the NCAA..that $$$ difference could be enormous
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