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When you combine it with what the mods have reported the last few weeks, that Vincent Taylor and the other guys on the board aren't what the coaches want.
With only A'Shawn, JUCOs might be the best option at this point.
This post was edited by Jeff Howe 23 months ago
How long did it take for you to come up with that one?
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JUCOs are and admittance of the coaches saying, "We really screwed the pooch a couple years ago at position X, let's go get one from a JUCO."
Saying this year's class has horrible position X, let's go JUCO doesn't mean much because it would take a couple years for the class to reach the level that the JUCO is at.
Tells me more attrition on the way...especially now that the spring semester just ended
Tells me two things....one, Mack and staff are interested in winning NOW at all costs. Two, we're not feeling good about the recruitment of Manning, Prevot, and Mitchell. Both JUCOs that we're looking at are of the big DE / DT variety.
Manning i'm not even sure we're still recruiting. no thanks. Prevot is very good. i also get the impression is looking for early playing time. as in starting as a freshman. he won't at Texas. aTm? maybe. that's their angle. he's not coming to Texas imo. Mitchell we should have offered months ago. that's a different discussion. Taylor the staff either doesn't want, or he doesn't want Texas, or both. there's no other reason to go JUCO unless there's a complete superstar. if that's the case, i would like to think the staff would have been aware of him/them by now. this is plan B imo. it may work out well.
Which DT do you think?
It may have more with Howell messing up than anything.
Don't know if it's specifically a DT or if it's even an academic casualty...however, Jeremy Hills & Ryan Roberson both graduated this semester & we're aware of the potential issues with Chet Moss...& the on-going injury issues with Kyle Kriegel
Hope all 4 make it back...but history shows there's probably gonna be more attrition now that grades are in & FR hit campus in a couple of weeks
& don't think it's a coincidence that Texas informs Quincy Russell last week that they're moving on...& this week we hear about another JUCO DT
This post was edited by mcb0703 23 months ago
I think on Taylor its that his eval isn't one that they feel is good enough. In other words-old staff he gets an offer. New staff-we are looking JUCO
tells us Mack finally realized JUCOs can handle the school work at Texas
Agree that there seems to be a marked shift towards huge linemen. Mack probably looked at Alabama's lines and liked what he saw. Wasn't Manny's wife quoted as asking where were Texas' big guys?
Actually being open to JUCO players is just a wise move. JUCOs consistently produce a few gems every year. Ask Kansas State. We did ourselves a huge di-service to not use that route in the past for every position but especially OL and DL where we have sort of been shorthanded. A couple of JUCO OL, DT and Mike position players would have changed 2010 and 2011 results for the better. Shows we are not too old to learn new tricks. As long as we do a good job vetting players, we should get good players from wherever we can.
I don't see this having anything to do with this years class. By the time this upcoming class is ready to contribute these JUCO guys will be gone.
IMO, JUCO recruiting is a bandaid solution. I'd much rather see the focus on high school kids who'll be here four years.
"I've heard some of our fans say, 'We were always an SEC school. We just didn't know it," athletic director Bill Byrne said.
It wasn't just Manny's wife. It was a common refrain.
I think Brandon Moore and Donald Hawkins coming in ready to play and contribute right away got Mack all tingly and excited... Hence the JUCO route is not off limits any more
I agree it means transfers or more likely concerns that both Jeffcoat and Moore leave early.
I really don't understand how some of you leap to it means issues with HS recruits nor how you think it is a fix for that if there are issues. The JuCo and HS kids should only overlap for playing time the HS kids' RS FR year. Which is as it should be for linemen on both side of the ball in a healthy program. If your program is healthy those getting significant playing time on your lines should be RS SO or older unless they are a freak. Generally, 18 year old linemen facing 22 years old ones mean you've got serious line issues. Just take a look at the roster and see the gap in age groupings of the DL and ask what is the plan if both Jeffcoat and Moore leave early . http://insidetexas.com/football/football.php?pg=fb_roster
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by GoingCoastal 23 months ago
I can understand why we are looking for a defensive end. We had a good class last year; but we don't want to be have three red-shirt freshmen or true sophomores in our two deep rotation. We need an experience grown man. Tackle doesn't make as much sense. We will have three seniors and a junior in the four deep rotation in 2013, with three coming in this year. If we are thinking of taking a juco for 2013, he would have to be exceptional.
Your view would contradict that of some of the most competitive programs in college 'ball. Including one school we can't seem to beat: KSU. I don't hink you go after JUCOs exclusively or even heavily but having a selective mindset and not ruling out picking through the JUCO ranks when we have important holes is wise. Glad we got away from dogma.
I agree on Manning and Prevot is not that exciting to me personally because so many things have to go right for him to be a big contributor. From his quotes, if we offered Mitchell as a linebacker tomorrow he would commit tomorrow night. He doesn't fit Manny's vision for an OLB in this league apparently. If Mitchell comes off of LB only, we might see some action. Taylor always seemed a one way courtship to me. He really wanted to come to Texas, but he did not fit what they wanted in the position. That happens to about 10,000 kids a year that are pretty good football players in Texas. It even happened to me a 100 years ago. You move on and either choose to play for someone else or hang it up. These days there is so much money involved and school is so expensive, they have little choice but to play for another team.
JUCO players are by and large players who were not good enough to make it anywhere once either because of ability, grades, or attitude. It is a rare one that has improved or rehabilitated himself sufficiently to fit into a two deep that Texas usually has. The current few that we have are filling in for the failures of the past until it can be fixed from within. I look at them like I do the people I get from temp agencies and consulting firms. I don't mind going there occasionally, but I don't run the business long term with them either. Others (KState) don't have the ability to get top flight talent and would always be in development mode with who they get anyway. Why not let someone else pay for the first two years of development? It saves them money, keeps their team with some playing experience, and lessens the opportunity for boom/bust.
All of this is a verbose way of saying, I pretty much agree with you.
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This post was edited by GoEarlGo105433 23 months ago
I'm not sure about the "most competitive programs" part. Teams that rely on JUCOs are in a never ending rebuilding mode. While I can see UT dipping into that pool every once in a while for a can't miss type player, for the vast majority of them, there was a real good reason they didn't sign with a D-1 program out of high school. I'll be disappointed if this becomes a habit for UT.
7 JUCO transfers played in the LSU-ALA championship game...not sure either of those programs are in "never ending rebuilding mode" and both seem to be the "most competitive programs" in the country
I think at programs like Texas,LSU,Bama,Florida,Ohio State,etc , depending on JUCO talent too heavily is an even more sure fire way to disaster than missing on kids straight out of HS, but I think its almost necessary to supplement your roster with 1 or 2 every year on the O and D lines. I'll pass on JUCO's most of the time at other positions, but not linemen. I want to be in a position were playing a true freshman there is not even a consideration unless its Orlando Pace or N. Suh. Not sure Mack will ever go that route, but I'm glad he has at least reconsidered his stance on it a little.
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