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Elevated level of success or mediocrity? Compelling, nationally discussed matchups or largely regional games? You can cite lots of statistics that purport to show the Big 12 is on the rise as a football powerhouse, but I'm not sure anyone believes it.
Bob Stoops's comments were very telling. The SEC is a juggernaut right now in terms of APPEAL to top prospects. He's trying to fight that perception. He's having to fight that battle everyday w recruits. It's critical that the Big 12 generate some top-5 matchups during the regular season, not just postseason trips to bowls at Yankee Stadium. That's the very definition of mediocrity.
That isn't saying much now that teams can go to a bowl game with 7 wins.
Actually, it is saying a lot. Name me another conference that had 90% of their teams go to a bowl last year. I will hang up and listen.
Fans that are short sighted always want the latest and greatest flavor without seeing the big picture.
There is a reason that a selected group of people with strategic visions are chosen and paid extremely well to make very imporant long term decisons and other people aren't.
This thread illustrates that perfectly.
Those same people with the strategic vision should have found a way to keep A&M happy and in the Big 12. Now A&M has a differentiated message to top football recruits. And SEC money will neutralize UT's financial advantage. Also, SEC schools have a new "in" with Texas kids with a Texas school in the Big 12, so that's not positive for anyone in the Big 12. Or is football unimportant to these visionaries?
It's not that Texas has fallen -- it's that A&M unquestionably improved their position. Precluding that should have been a key objective.
I think one of those select few is still anxiously waiting for a call from Jim Swarbrick.
Again there are big picture strategic people and there aren't.
You aren't one of them.
What if A&M would have stayed in the Big 12? Huh? Have you thought about that? What if they would have stayed and won it last year and played for the National Title instead of Notre Dame? Would they be getting a look by top talent in the state Texas?
Conference strength comes and goes.....I know young people have a real hard time understanding that and think more emotionally and irrationally now days than us older folks when we were your age but just realize that. The SEC wasn't strong at all in the early part of last decade and really has lucked out into some favorable situations to win as my MYTHICAL TITLE BEAUTY CONTESTS as they have since the 2005 season. The ESPN hype machine is just brainwashing the emotional sheep of society into believing that the SEC really is that dominant.
Aside from Bama, the Longhorns are just as talented as any team in that league right now. IF (and I emphasize IF) Texas can pull off a one or two loss or even an undefeated season and a BCS bowl berth in 2013; then the Longhorn program is right back into the thick of things when it comes to four and five star talent in this state. WINNING IS KEY.....not your conference.
It is crazy how the Longhorn faithful are flipping out in panic over a third place finish by Aggy in their Division and fourth in their conference with a Cotton Bowl win last season. So Johnny Football won a prestigious award? Baylor's QB won it the year before and is doing pretty well in the NFL.....you people should be more worried about their program that is right up the road from our's and on the schedule this season.
I think Okla St, Baylor and TCU are all going to surprise a lot of people nationally this season.
This post was edited by Willow01 14 months ago
I hate the SEC. No thanks.
Oh right. A&M sucked balls in the Big 12. You are showing your Aggy colors Mr. Hedge Fund man. Just like they have done since their last Top 5 finish in 1956. You will be consigned to the trash bin just like Arky.
Exactly. Mileage will end up being Aggy's biggest enemy in the SEC.
Just like it did with Arkansas when they pretty much gave up their East Texas talent core when they joined that leage about 20 years ago.
Is it possible that A&M will lose its attractiveness to Texas kids like Arkansas did? A&M will play 8 games in Texas this year. And 2 more in states contiguous to Texas (Arkansas and Louisiana). I could understand your point better if A&M were to choose to play their home games in Georgia or South Carolina, but I put only a low probability on that happening. For now I think they continue to play their home games in Texas.
My personal view is that SEC schools outside of Texas will increase their recruiting in Texas because A&M is now in the SEC. That gives them a foot in the door. I think that will make things tougher for Oklahoma, which has traditionally lived off of top tier Texas kids who didn't have an offer from Texas. There's a lot more competition for those kids.
Another Aggy myth. Arkansas didn't lose their attractiveness to Texas kids when they moved to the SEC. If you look at the old rosters there weren't a lot of Texas kids then and now. Never winning a conference championship, mediocre bowls, going from competing for national championships to unranked, and, by far the most important, losing their traditional rivals killed that program. Will the same happen to Aggy? Hard to say. They have never had close to the same football success and they never had a rivalry to match Texas/Arkansas. It was not on a par with Texas/OU, but it was close. 20 years later and Arkansas still doesn't have any rivals.
That's legitimate. Sorry, I was responding to the "mileage" comment. Agree with you that A&M's biggest risk is mediocrity and invisibility in the SEC. These first few years are critical for A&M. Aggies need to prove they can compete. They also need to maintain a high profile in the media -- that will address the visibility/invisibility issue.
I'm a big believer in feedback loops. Others may call it cyclicality. A&M and the SEC have some aspects of a positive feedback loop right now. We'll see if they're able to maintain that for a few more years.
I think that Texas A&M took a calculated risk. They were fairly mediocre in the big 12 and a clear second to Texas. Moving to the SEC and changing coaches gave them the opportunity to escape from some of Texas' shadow and offer something unique to recruits. At worst you would be mediocre in the SEC just like you were in the Big 12. So far it has paid off beyond I am sure everyone's wildest expectations. Recruiting is very strong. That will put you in good stead in the next few years. Whether it can be maintained depends greatly on how well you do these next few years and even how well Texas does. The stadium expansion is another calculated risk. The timing was right for a big financial gamble. The new seats will sell. Perhaps I am a glass half empty person, but I predict great success over the next five years and a future of Tennessee style financial ruin over the decade following that.
I know you take great interest in the TV contracts. I predicted that the renegotiation of the CBS contract would not be a financial windfall for the SEC. I'm going to claim victory on that one even though they did give up exclusivity on the 3 PM game. I never expected dilution. The renegotiation of the ESPN contract (which essentially was tearing up the contract and a new deal with tier 3) was a win for the SEC. I will call that one a tie.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by VaHorn 14 months ago
Good post VAHorn.
Agree VA. Good post. SEC is big time. A&M has its work cut out for themselves. No question. A&M needs to keep Sumlin for another 4-5 years and keep recruiting at the level he is right now.
From a financial perspective, first tier (broadcast) rights are not supposed to be nearly as lucrative as the cable rights. The primary benefit there is exposure for the marquee game, not remuneration. Versus the other tiers, the rights fee is small potatoes. The benefit to the SEC is that the SEC doesn't have to share the national coverage with another conference. CBS gives them an exclusive.
Yes, tier 2 is where the money is at in the SEC (unlike the Big 12 which has more Tier 1 content). I thought the new Tier 2 contract would not be a financial bonanza for the SEC unless they tore it up and folded in the new Tier 3 content. That is what happened. If the SEC followed the LHN model, it will be lucrative to be sure from day 1. Not as good as it would have been if Slive hadn't tied his hands with the 2008 contact though. ESPN needed the content, but they were bargaining from a position of strength. The Big 10 owns 49% of the BTN. Payouts have been low for the Big 10, but they have more upside.
Oh I saved your posts. You said a lot more than that.
The state of Texas is a very big place and Arkansas used to really focus on the East Texas region for key talent in the 60's, 70's and 80's. In fact, Arkansas used to battle A&M for top talent in the East Texas region since they were geographically close along with being "rural" schools. Texas grabbed Worster, Earl Campbell, Edwin Simmons, Anthony Byerly and a few other big name talent in the real late 60's, the early 70's and early 80's but lost out on a lot of recruiting battles because of Arkansas focus on the area and for the reasons that I stated already.
When Arkansas moved to the SEC, those East Texas recuits parents who had the means and time to go to the home games still could, but could no longer make the away game trips that outside of LSU and the Mississippi schools were nearly a thousand miles from home when back in the Southwest Conference the away games were usually a short trip to DFW, Houston, College Station, Austin or Waco. Lubbock was really the only really far away trip in the Southwest Conference. People are fooled that Arkansas hasn't done as well in the SEC as they did in the Southwest Conference because of competition when in reality their talent pool dwindled for this reason and schools started picking up more East Texas talent that Arkansas used to routinely get when the Big 12 was formed.
I mean nearly 40% of the players on the 1964 Arkansas Mythical National Title team were from the state of Texas and most of their star players like Jimmy Johnson were from the Lone Star state. The mileage will also eventually catch up to Aggy with regards to the players whose parents don't have the means nor the time to jump on an airplane to Gainesville for an away game.
Now time and NCAA rules could very well change that; but there is no doubt that the talent level on Razorback teams is no where near what it was these days as it was back in the day with a larger volume of talent from the state of Texas.
I'm just gonna leave this here
"I don't hate you, I'm just not necessarily excited about your existence."
Umm, what are you saving them for? Go ahead and post them. I understand what a long-term contract means. You claim to be a lawyer and you don't. Imagine that! Could this be why you always hang around this board? Applied to UT Law and couldn't get in? Newsflash: it isn't that hard to get in.
That is creepy and stalker'ish
If Texas A&M continues recruiting and winning in the SEC Texas is in serious trouble. The best bet for Texas is to get the hell out of the Big 12.
Lol...I'm no lawyer nor have I ever claimed to be one. I think you must have my confused with someone else.
I did, however, defeat GEICO's lawyer in Small Claims Court one time. But I didn't get an honorary degree or anything.
Besides, I'd never be able to pass a bar. RIMSHOT!
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