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Any UT fan who doesn't secretly (or openly) wish they were playing teams like Bama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, Tennessee, Auburn, Mississippi and even A&M....on a mostly week-in and week-out basis is, quite frankly, weird. High profile games against high profile teams in sold out stadiums...that's what makes football fun and exciting, no?
Of course, there's zero percent chance of that ever happening because the UT administration simply will not countenance that association.
The Big 12 is becoming an increasingly regional conference (corresponding decline in national appeal). The exit of A&M and Nebraska didn't help. Nor did the move to 10 schools. And, as we know when the SWC started down that path (more regional, less high profile), a negative feedback loop developed. (Mediocrity --> lower national appeal/draw --> less fulsome recruiting --> even more mediocrity.) That trajectory needs to reverse or the Big 12 could look end up like the SWC or the Big East -- dead as a doornail. It's not too late, but several schools (not just Texas) need to become nationally relevant. And fast. West Virginia, Kansas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor...even K State and Okie State...despite recent success are good programs, but not sexy or appealing to national audience. Again, it's not dire yet...but the situation is going in the wrong direction.
Please save me the f'g vitriol -- it's an opinion.
Name me one time that Texas did not play in a regional conference?
And a valid opinion that makes several good points. No matter how anyone wants to try to spin things, the Big 12 took big hits in losing the premier schools in the second and third most populous states in the conference (Missouri and Colorado, both the sole conference members in those states), losing a school with a fairly large, albeit whiny, national fanbase (Nebraska), and losing the intra-state rivalry of the two biggest schools in the conference, even if it was by shedding the weirdness of nut-squeezing, saber rattling, and poop-flinging. No matter how good TCU or Tech or Baylor or K-State or Oklahoma State ever get, they won't command national attention because they are smaller schools far removed from the largest markets.
For all that, I'm not sure entering a conference with the kind of recruiting climate we suspect is rampant in the SEC would ever be a good thing. The SEC, the B1G, the Pac 12, and the Big 12 all have their flaws. Texas has no perfect option available.
This post was edited by bierce 14 months ago
I wish we were playing Texas A&Ms schedule. Lets see how the Big12 does vs SEC. Texas, TCU & OSU should spank some SEC hiney pretty quick to start the season...
atm caught lighting in a bottle. SEC as a whole, like most conferences are top heavy. They way they set their schedule is a joke and makes life easy for LSU, Bama & even the aggies. Mizzou is falling fast, easy game for the ags as few Texas kids are considering going there much anymore. Guess what the ags would be saying if two of our wins were against two division two teams?
Bottom line, SEC play more conference games & pass on the sisters of the blind.
Go look at LSU's schedule and then go look at Texas' schedule.
Tell me which one is the "joke" in comparison.
I am just wondering how A&M leaving the Big 12 made the big 12 more regionalized around Texas?
Defensive because your team can't throw a forward pass & complete it.
LSU 2012- Towson, WA, Idado. & N. TX non conference. Ole Miss- ooh, Miss St overrated, Arky? Seven toughies.
LSU 2013- TCU, UAB(ouch), Furman( aahh), Kent St- nice. Florida & Georgia plus the west. Got Louisville?
Thank goodness for New Mexico, New Mexico St, 220-221 whatever it takes.
Arkansas, Missouri & LSU will be joining with Texas and Oklahoma in the Big XII or forming a new conference soon enough.
Y'all Just simmer down now
First I'm hearing of this. Do tell.
The rest I could dig.
Well, lets see now....
SEC Network - check
SEC got a foot in Texas - check
Georgia Dome College Football Playoff Bowl site addition - check
Arlington College Football Playoff Bowl site addition - check
ACC stable - check (should pick up Navy)
Population of Texas = 25,674,681 = 1/2 Total population of all states who possess teams which make up the SEC.
6. New Mexico
9. Arizona State
10. Colorado State
11. Kansas State
12. Louisiana State
13. New Mexico State
14. Oklahoma State
15. Texas A&M
16. Utah State
Looks pretty doable. Ought to hold its own against other conference lineups.
New Big XII Conference will have 3 CFB Playoff Sites located within its region of play
Largest Major Conference Region in the nation
All LSU, Arkansas and Missouri want with the deal is to have a LHN style channel like the University of Texas at present (which of course plays in the state of Texas like the LHN does here in Louisiana)
And of course, it's been pretty obvious how much interest LSU has been taking with the state of Texas (or more so) the last couple of seasons.
Here's to the future fellas.
I get the feeling the Nebraska fans haven't been all that happy with the Big Ten move.....
...so, you never know there.
Be a new start for everyone.
Oh and LSU wants the evening-night game time slot which shouldn't be much of a problem with the move.
The last time Texas was in a very regional conference (defined as: lacking in a critical mass of programs with national appeal), the conference ultimately imploded. Texas is in danger of being in another conference with a negative feedback loop where top recruits opt for programs in higher profile/sexier conferences. Keep in mind, 4 -- 4!!!! -- schools opted to leave the Big 12 for other conferences. They obviously felt they were moving to a "better" situation. Meanwhile, the three conferences that those 4 schools moved to....have lost a grand total of ZERO schools to other conferences. Do you see how that might be construed as "voting with your feet" or maybe with your pocket book?
In business/reality/perception, you're either moving forward or backward. I think the Big 12 needs to get a few more programs (besides Texas to become nationally relevant in the way that Texas always is, in the way Bama always is and in the way that Oregon has become. It can happen. Even A&M went from irrelevant to nationally relevant in 1 year. Texas needs Oklahoma to get their shit together fast.
The issue is...changes in levels tend to be self-reinforcing. Does that make sense? One day you wake up and the cold has become much colder. You see this in business all the time. Look at Motorola and then PALM and then Blackberry...and now even Apple is fighting becoming ice cold. They were all once hot. But their fall from grace became hard to arrest as they lost customers...then status...then engineers...etc. (Sorry, I work for a hedge fund. This is how I think.)
Texas will always be nationally relevant. But Texas needs other programs to be likewise. The rest of the conference needs to get stronger, higher profile. Nothing happens in a vacuum.
The OP and most of this thread is so stupid I am not sure where to begin....
This post was edited by UT27am25 14 months ago
Well said. You often confront our prejudice with logic
275-0 scoring margin
Dana X Bible's National Championship team
I think the draw to the BIG 12 is dwindling down. The momentum in the SEC is a reality and they will continue to be dominant in football. I never understood why Texas clings itself to a conference. They have proven themselves to be able to walk on their own. The SEC and the ACC are the two largest media markets to expand in the future. This is based on various demographic data. Texas should step out from the state of Texas and stand on their own as partial Independant like that of Notre Dame. They could schedule teams from east to west and the pitch to recruits playing a national schedule would help them compete with the Aggies representing the state of Texas in the SEC. The ACC would become stronger and all it would take is one more power team like Oklahoma to solidify that conference.
Florida State, Texas, Clemson, Notre Dame, and an unknown like Oklahoma. Texas and ND could play each other every year which would be a giant draw and the others would be key match ups. I think if Texas wants to get out from under their LHN cloud I would go Independent all the way.
Not to mention its a ballsy move and its a better move than that of the aggies to the SEC.
This post was edited by NDNETWORK 14 months ago
Texas has its traditional rivalries and is scheduling teams like USC, Cal, Ohio State, etc. Notre Dame is dropping Michigan. Not a model I want to follow.
Its going to end up happening with many teams its not just ND. Besides the Michigan / ND game will be back. Its way to big of draw $$$$$$ to just shine it off. Once the Big ten settles down and ND gets going with the ACC stuff they will be back at it.
Not sure I understand that. Here is the list of the fastest growing cities according to Forbes
3. San Jose
5. Salt Lake City
8. San Fran
9 San Antonio
I see 2 cities in the footprint of the SEC, Houston and Atlanta, and one in the ACC, Raleigh.. One reason I am in favor of the a Pac with OU and TExas. That would encompass 7 of the 10 fastest growing cities in America
Great post. Not sure why you're concerned though, TCU and West Virginia have the potential to be huge national media draws.....
Big 12 is a joke just like the current state of the Texas athletic department. If you don't think they are connected, ignorance must be bliss....
Yes, 9 out of 10 went to bowls last year and the #1 or #2 rated football conference all of last year. Ignorance is bliss.
Notre Dame would have been well advised to keep Michigan and drop a different game, but the rivalries with Michigan State and Purdue are a lot more entrenched. While ND is a national brand, it makes a certain amount of sense for it to have at least one in-state foe, and the rivalry with Michigan State has been a trophy game since 1949 and played annually since 1959.
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