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I haven't read the link. I just want to jump in and agree with the title statement. Firing Barnes would be dumb.
Signatures are stupid. You should block them.
I am willing to cut Barnes some slack this year since Kabango is out and that we have the youngest team in the nation, still no excuse on why we should not make the tourney.
They are stupid not too.
Agree with the thread title statement.
His argument is: Since Barnes has had success at Texas in the past, which wasn't historically good in basketball, he deserves a mulligan. Essentially this is the same argument people use to justify why Mack was kept after the 2010 season. I disagree with this argument in both cases. First, it's easy to make an argument that Barnes has underachieved in the past given the talent available. Second, he is no longer recruiting the same level of talent. There are no more TJ Fords and Kevin Durants walking through that door. Let's hire a coach who can both maximize the existing talent and then provide an infusion of new talent. There are coaches out there who can do that better than Barnes and who would come here. We can afford it. Barnes has been paid close to $20M by this university. We have fulfilled our end of the deal. He doesn't "deserve" anything more than he has gotten. That is not "dumb".
Barnes doesn't have a "right" to have a bad year; however, every coach is bound to have one, and firing a coach for one bad year is pretty stupid.
The problem is 4 bad years in the last 5. Mac Engel kind of overlooks that.
My attitude is that Texas needs a great year next year or a new coach.
barnes has hit his ceiling and isn't going to get anywhere close to it again. he lost any momentum he had after ford/aldridge/durant w/ the canadian connection and crap tournament showings. the idea that he's raised the level of play at texas, so he's untouchable is ridiculous. bring someone else in and get some new blood in the program.
Time for a change
Make Stevens say no...make him an offer that is beyond anything he thought & convince him to get away from IU, Mich St, etc, etc in recruiting...
Then after he says no, go after Shaka Smart or Buzz Williams...or long-shot, possibly consider Russ Springmann
The very fact that people think they need to write articles defending Rick Barnes every week in lieu of discussing the merits of the program he is in charge of is evidence that he needs to go.
Or have I missed the daily articles discussing whether or not Mike Krzyzewski or Bill Self should be fired?
This post was edited by GPie 17 months ago
Please don't compare this situation to Coach K or Bill Self.
I would love to see Brad Stevens in Austin, but I consider him a very long shot. He's said multiple times that he'd only leave Butler if they kicked him out. Oregon threw money at him. ACC schools threw money at him. He didn't even entertain them.
Was Shaka a flash in the pan? He seems to be sustaining a winning team at VCU. I'd be willing to give him a chance. His style seems a bit undisciplined to me, but it's up-tempo and would be entertaining. Would it win?
Those are gambles though. There is no guarantee that they would have 29-30 win seasons at Texas. I think Barnes would have to under-perform a lot more than this 1 awful season (with Kabongo sidelined for most of it) to really justify a move. I understand the frustration with him and the program, but I don't think he's forgotten how to make it work.
Ok then, direct me to the discussions and articles on whether or not to fire Tom Izzo, Jim Boeheim, Rick Pitino, Roy Williams, Shaka Smart, Buzz Williams etc, etc, etc,
Once you're discussing whether or not someone should be fired, you're already past that point.
why put the cart before the horse? open up the position and there will be plenty of interest to choose from.
granted, i know that's not the way deloss and the bmd like to work, but i'm not deloss or a bmd. it's a pointless discussion anyway - deloss isn't hiring anyone else on his watch. he's leaving that for the next guy.
Have to agree with Roger.
Coach K, Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Jim Boeheim, and Roy Williams are some of the best coaches in the game who have delivered championships (some multiple) and many final four appearances. He hasn't earned the legendary status that these guys have attained or are on the cusp of attaining, therefore it should take a whole lot less for him to be on the hot seat.
We're in agreement that Barnes needs to go, I just don't think using these other coaches is the best way to get the point across
This post was edited by Taupe Attack189 17 months ago
But why not aspire to be (or hire) the best in the country?
That's my entire point. People are defending him as if he were a priceless commodity that Texas is lucky to have and that apparently can't be easily replaced.
I disagree with the thread title. One can make the argument that it would be unwise to fire Barnes, but there are solid countervailing reasons as well. From my standpoint, I think Barnes has probably hit his ceiling. He has improved the program since he came on board, but he does not seem to have the coaching acumen or strategic abilities to take the program to an elite level.
I 100% agree. It really bothers me that our basketball team doesn't have high expectations when I think we should be a top 25 team every season, and have the resources to be top 10 or 15 every season. I think it's time for a new presence but I think most people that defend Barnes feel that he is a known commodity and that we don't have the pull in the basketball industry to get a "sure thing", so it's better to be conservative.
I think everyone here knows my opinion on Coach Barnes as I personally hit the end of the road with him last season. I understand that he has set new expectations at the University of Texas for basketball, and those expectations are now being held against him. With that said, I don't think anyone can argue that we peaked and have been on a downward slide for 4+ seasons now. Why do we have to wait to go even further down before making a change? Even if things do improve, will we ever return to a Final Four worthy team? I understand that there are peaks and valleys within every program, however I feel like we've seen the highest of Texas basketball under Coach Barnes already.
This team is awful and really showing no signs of improvement so what makes anyone think there will be a drastic improvement next year? If they move up to 5th in the conference and a first round tournament exit next season is that enough to keep him around for another year?
Our recruiting class is currently non-existent this year (at least in regards to anyone who will have an impact next season), although we obviously are still in on the two big fish. The arguments regarding the poor recruiting class thus far is that it's difficult to recruit to a young, talented team. The young part obviously is true but is there honestly any position that you really think is locked down for next season? If we are so talented that it's hard to recruit to this team then why are we doing so poorly?
I started a thread a few weeks ago about your remaining sports dreams that you want to see come true in your lifetime. My number one is for Texas to win the NCAA tourney. I feel like the chances of that happening would be improved if we took a chance on another coach than sticking with Barnes for another decade. Is it possible that we could get worse instead of better? Absolutely, but I'm willing to take that chance for the bigger gain. Just my opinion.
you don't think there are any other worthy coaches in this country? are you too lazy to make your own list?
Hayden Christensen - to merely call him wooden is an affront to puppets everywhere...
I do think there are other worthy coaches in this country (and beyond).
No, I am not too lazy to make my own list. Or to use my shift key.
Well if your goal is to get to the tournament and not get past the first weekend of the tournament (Barnes has only done it 6 times in 26 years of being a HC) then Barnes should be your man with a lifetime contract.
At this point Barnes is almost 30 years in as a HC. What has anyone seen from him (recruiting, game day coaching, results) the last 5 years (beginning with the 2008-09 season) that makes you think the next 5 years will be significantly better?
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