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This is worth a read IMO.
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Since we are definitely trending in the direction of paying players, I'd like to hear ideas.
Would there be an athletic-department wide salary cap? Salary cap by sport? How much would you pay the women's swimming team, seeing as how they bring in almost no money?
Would there be no salary cap, and every recruit is open to bid on (scary - IMO)?
Yeah scholarships are the only expenses for an athletic department.
Include a breakdown all of the other expenses (coaches salaries, staff salaries, administration, etc.) and how scholarships compare to those. That's a better chart for discussion.
I don't have the answer for how this should play out.
But I know that football and basketball players are paid the same as golfers and tennis players under the NCAA system.
That's not fair to the people who drive the economy.
I would think there has to be a cap to the amount the players are paid. It would get out of control immediately with bidding wars for 5 star athletes. Recruiting would become even more of circus than it is currently.
That being said, Texas would certainly benefit from having no salary cap.
...if we're gonna go the way of paying college athletes, which I'm in favor, then we need to go the way of greater enforcement & penalties against schools & coaches
Once these kids start getting paid more in college, schools & coaches will find even more ways to use that to their advantage...can only imagine the number of Escalades we'd see on Oregon's campus if Kelly were the HC & his players were getting paid legitimately & then getting Kelly's extra payments
There's gotta to be more to these changes than just paying the players...some schools are outta control now & would only get worse without enforcement overhaul
Yep. Using Texas as the benchmark for revenues and profit is a major mistake though. there are only a handful out there like them.
But the bagmen will never go away. anyone thinking that because players get some money above board the studs won't be getting more under it are kidding themselves. Its way too easy to do and too hard to confirm unless someone steps forward with actual evidence and not just allegations.
Cam and his dad agree with you.
this right here. texas is not only an outlier, but an anomaly. out of 300+ d1 athletic programs, there are maybe 15 w/ a similar profile. the other 285+ programs have drastically different looking graphs.
Per sport, no cap, set compensation across NCAA (or whatever organization supersedes the NCAA in this scenario).
Something nominal, like $5k per semester, distributed as a stipend with scholarship cost of living stipend. That's less than $1million dollars per year for an 85 man roster, not going to bankrupt any of your major schools.
If the compensation is the same for basketball, then you're talking only $130k per year against the budget.
Dunno how to pay not just the non-revenue sports but the partial scholarship sports. Maybe you lessen the stipend to $2.5k per semester per scholarship, down to $1k per semester per scholarship for your red sports.
Total hit against the athletic department budget would be less than $2million per year. Chump change to major conferences.
It is fair in the mind of everyone that voted Democrat. Merit doesn't enter into their thinking.
Then you get into the problem of does Jonathon Gray deserve more money than Taylor Doyle. Do you pay the players before the season or after their performance to determine their worth. Non productive players would get cut and would not get to finish their college degree.
The only possible solutions that I could see is let the star players get paid a percentage of their jersey sales and video game images but even that is ripe for corruption.
I hope college football remains the same. I would hate to see it turned into a mini NFL.
Life's not fair
That is what is wrong with so much of the youth today.
Anyone who has to hire these kids understands that our country is suffering from this premise. They are not being taught this as kids.
And it starts in elementary when they started giving out participation ribbons.
I played on scholarship and we had so many perks and things that don't really get considered, and I was not playing anywhere near as prestigious as Texas.
Acting like these kids only get a scholarship (which in itself is a great and valuable thing) is a little ridiculous.
And acting like everything in life is fair or should be is an equally ridiculous premise.
The easiest first step would be to allow players to accept "donations" from boosters. The market will sort out player values at no expense to the schools. And Title XI won't be a roadblock.
I wouldn't do straight cash donations from boosters but I would allow endorsement deal. Then these can be legitimate based on individual stardom (no school jerseys/logos allowed) or boosters with a local business can pay for endorsement deal to appear on their local radio/tv/newspaper ads.
If Texas was ammicable to paying players this type of situation would benefit our athletic department greatly. It'd kill a lot of schools that don't have the alumni base to make the type of "donations" that big schools could.
I like the premise but executing would be a nightmare.
9 and 4 at Texas sucks!
- Jeff Howe
I don't think universities should get in the business of paying players - too many inequities and room for cheating. Universities are for academics and shouldn't become owners of their now professional sports team. I'd rather see changes made like letting them go pro earlier or letting them market their own image. To me, the real problem is these ultra talented athletes HAVE to go to college and have essentially made universities the farm teams for the pros.
The one thing that is overlooked is most of these kids aren't allowed or able to hold jobs, at least during the school year. They need money to buy clothes, take a girl on a date etc.
I agree that we need to try and keep it fair for all schools. I also agree that a kid who plays football deserves more than a kid who plays tennis.
But paying them something for basics like $2500 per year is only fair or we need to figure out a way to let them work, go to school and play sports. For schools like us that want winners, we want them practicing not working at a restaurant, office or car dealership.
As for policing it, the easiest way is to stop slapping the schools and slap the players. Players cheat they can't play. Won't take long for them to realize that playing is more important than the bribes. Right now we penalize the team and suspend the player. This hurts all of the players that didn't cheat, especially ones that weren't even on the team when the infraction occurred.
Even better if we are truly serious is to get cooperation from the Pros that student athletes that cheated can't go pro for a year. then guys like Reggie Bush might think twice when he loses not only eligibility but an income and draft status.
Just my two cents, not trying to inflame anyone.
It is tough to talk in absolutes about anything in these times. However, with the current laws and how they are interpreted it is impossible for any schools beyond the top 5 or so in revenues to pay their athletes beyond the basic stipend. You have too many athletes to pay with too few dollars left over because it isn't just football and it isn't just men's sports that would have to get paid. As to whether "sponsorships" of players can happen, that is what led to people like Dickerson driving $30,000 automobiles around campus (when $30k was a lot of money). Do we care about that? If the rules say it is okay, I'm sure the big dollar boosters here can compete with the best of them. It gets beyond what college sports has been historically about, but that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone in these times.
The Obannon lawsuit will have an affect here as well. The thing that bothers me about that suit is that he is suing because some game used his number and likeness without compensation. The last I saw, the numbers still belong to the Universities and are sometimes given to multiple players. Likeness can be argued, although that can be generic in appearance. If they went so far as to use the actual name on the jersey, they are in some hot water. How much does that add to the game experience? For me, zero and they shouldn't have done it.
My bottom line is that they have already ruined college basketball. I can't stand to watch it because you only get a collection of "one and done" prima donnas that have great talent and no seasoning and game development and a bunch of hangers-on that have only decent skills.
Football we still get three years (including redshirt) before these kids try to grab the brass ring. Paying them $5K is not going to change that fact. That is mostly because the NFL knows that there is no way 99% of the linemen and Quarterbacks and 85% of the skill position players are ready by the age of about 21. Although there is a great hue and cry to redshirt about every freshman, it just doesn't make sense for a good skill position player to ever redshirt. Back to the pay for play, do redshirts get paid the same amounts as the people actually playing? Any kind of regulations trying to make this system even somewhat fair would make the IRS code look like a kindergarten text book.
So much fail with that article as several of you have highlighted.
I don't think it would create any more separation between the haves and the have-nots than already exists.
Very unlikely you are correct. But the question then becomes a money management issue at any school. I have to believe you will start to see title IX type cuts to make budgets balance. Gone is a mens soccer team or lacrosse or whatever so they don't have to fund scholarships and pay stipends. In other words, there are athletes out there that will miss out on getting an education.
Based on what?
Well said IMO.
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