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sadly, a&m' s resurgence is already a pain in the butt in recruiting.
hate to say something so aggie- esque ...relying on others to screw up in order to help us, but..
1) another year like this and I question whether Sumlin will even be in college ball. the nfl respects sherman so much? look at how much better sumlin did with very similar players.
2) sherms decision to redshirt Manziel means he is a eligible soph next year. manziel wont have much to gain coming back. His performance won't likely improve and the biggest negative against him for scouts ... his height ... won't likely be impacted.
just tired of the full time media suck up on all things sec and "Johnny football..."
bottom line... they overachieved this year, while we still underachieved.
they will eventually recede, but first and foremost, we need our leadership to get its act together. no reason we can't come back to the elite if we have a couple of leaders wake up and demand total excellence.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by lhorns 15 months ago
Would he even get drafted being as small as he is?
Short, skinny and a below average arm. Not exactly a recipe for an early entry candidate.
This post was edited by kevwun 15 months ago
no chance he gets drafted high. He's gonna be one of those pains in the you know what for 4 years of eligibility. Think Tebow. Great in college but will suck in the NFL.
I agree...I think this kid's ride ends after college...he may be scouted as a kick returner in the NFL, but that's it. Unfortunately I think he sticks around for the remainder of his eligibility....
Manziel will never throw a pass in the nfl. He will stick around for as long as he can. He would get crippled if they put him at QB in the NFL. It would not surprise me for an NFL team to poach Sumlin out. A&m is not a premiere job to retain him.
Wishful thinking on both. Neither will leave within the next three years
Same height (or less) as Johnny Manzeil:
Is it common--no. Is it rare--no. There are first round picks on that list. Superbowl winning quarterback on that list.
If he was 6'4", I would be worried about having him play for A&M for more than 1 guaranteed year. At six foot even, he might stay an additional year (or two), which is fine by me.
The true test of a man's intelligence is how much he agrees with you.
Detmer and Flutie are the only guys on that list with a similar frame to Manziel. Flutie had a much better arm.
You guys may be right about him and the NFL...after all look at Applewhite, Young & McCoy....you all would be very adept in noticing what it does not take to make an NFL QB.
This post was edited by goodbull92 15 months ago
Proverbs 10:4 (NIV)
Lazy hands make for poverty,
but diligent hands bring wealth.
I think if Sumlin has another good year a bigger name program will come calling. And he will leave for a USC type job.
I think the chances of Sumlin leaving are much better than Manziel.
But you dudes running JM down "over-achieved, below average arm, etc" are frickin' nuts.
That mofo is a player and Mack flucked up royally (as he did with RG3) pegging him as a DB.
Sumlin recruits well, but he has never won a conference championship, has only succeeded with Heisman-caliber QBs, and has failed miserably without one. Stop me if you've heard this one before.
USC is definitely a more prestigious gig. But there's just no reason for him to leave.
Southern California is a nicer place than CS, though.
Could see USC snatching an up and comer at a place with limited resources, though. Strong would do wonders out there.
This post was edited by WithoutRecourse 15 months ago
Agree. I don't think he's going anywhere while Manziel is around.
I don't think Sumlin needs to prove himself. His body of work at Houston and Aggieland already make him a premier head coach.
He would have bottom tier arm strength in the NFL, and while the scramble around until the coverage breaks down routine works well in college, Lord knows UT fans are familiar with it, it's a hard way to make a living in the league.
He might surprise us all and be a 15 year vet, but I'd peg him more as kick return/slot receiver type with his quicks. Or a fan favorite backup, but not until he's a pain in our a**, even if we don't play them, for the next three years.
I got brains. I got big ol' brains. I got dinosaur brains.
Manziel doesn't have the arm to be the classic NFL pocket passer. He has the speed and agility to be one of the new zone read qbs, but he's very undersized and it's doubtful he could absorb the beating. Russell Wilson is also short, but he's built like a running back. It's not sour grapes and I have no issue saying he's a hell of college qb. So were Colt McCoy and dozens of other guys.
That's all true, but I don't think he has the arm strength to take advantage of the PA passes the newfound collegiate NFL offenses provide. Playing in a 15 yard deep box is a tough row to hoe. We'll see.
Manziel will play in the nfl someday. The kid has more buzz than tebow at this time in the career. An nfl team will take him to create manziel-mania. Another circus like the Jets' organization. Merchandise will sell. Like Tebow, he wont make it as a QB. At least Tebow has the body to take the punishment, Manziel is built like a stick. He would get crippled. He will be a special teams guy/kick returner/ receiver, but never a franchise QB. He will stay in that hell hole for as long as he can just like tebow did. It wouldnt surprise me for sumlin to cash in on manziel and take a bigger gig than a&m. One thing is for sure, sone nfl team will have $$ in their mind and want to ride manziel mania only for the sales he will generate...
I get so tired of reading this crap. If we had signed him the mods on here would've told you how bad he was and you'd be first in line to dog Mack for that. This kid fit in few situations and it took a coaching change for you to find out who he was. He would've never played in their old system.
If you think Sumlin wouldn't leave for a USC or a Florida st gig you my friend live in a fantasy world.Time for you to get back to your dungeons and dragons.
If Sumlin has another couple of 11-2 or 10-3 years (and they might because they have easy schedule next year for sure) he will get some NFL interviews. In the Eddie George interview he mentioned how big manziel's hands were. They also mentioned his size 15 shoe. He is a great athlete. He will make the NFL as a safety or wide receiver. All that being said life will get tougher for Sumlin and Manziel without Moore, Joekel, Mathews and the underated Patrick Lewis (even with an easy schedule next year).
You sir are the one living in fantasy land. It would make you very happy to think A&M isn't a desirable head coaching job, but I'm trying to figure out what Florida State would offer that A&M doesn't. Better location? No. Better recruiting ground? No. Currently a better program? Arguable. At best that's lateral. USC has the recruits right now to do well, but Sumlin has the opportunity to get his name on stuff at A&M. USC and FSU have relatively recent MNC's to point to.
The national conversation for A&M is a relatively recent phenomenon after 10+ years in the "get on a big stage and shit the bed," desert.
So you really think College Station is better than say Tallahassee, and that ATM sits in measurably more fertile recruiting ground than Florida? You make a good point about having the opportunity to get things named after him, but the two arguments above are pretty debatable.
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