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He's always reminded me of Curly of the Three Stooges. So people who don't like him might go with that. But I like him. A lot. He coaches all out, every game, in the Gary Williams style.
I agree that he does not fit the button-down mold of UT.
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“Kansas may wind up number one in these polls, but that would be so unfair to Texas...” -- Len Elmore, 2/13/11
I like him too
Disciplina praesidium civitatis
I want to hire a good basketball coach but, if that is out of the realm of possibility, I would settle for hiring Mack Brown so that our football team can move on. I can take bad basketball but not bad basketball and bad football in the same season.
Both rely on good quarterbacks, point guards for success.
I remember when we hired Barnes, Houston had just hired Clyde Drexler and Hugh Lewis was so hot for the glide and so down on the Barnes hire I called the radio show and asked if he was actually Guy Lewis. Needless to say, Hugh was not happy with the comparison and Drex went down in flames.
I want a coach that can sell the up tempo game with a defense to match. I tend to favor East Coat coaches but I'm not tied to that. I really want an innovative new athletic director before we hire any new coaches. This is as good as Dodds can do and I'm not sure how much I trust his judgement. Who is going to replace Augie by the way? That guy seems like toast.
I just don't think "innovative" and Texas quite go together. Now we'll implement innovative devices on the micro level, e.g. a pill that gauges a player's body temperature to prevent heat strokes, or contact lenses that reduce glare for DBs, but on the macro operational level, we're simply not that Moneyball program. We're the team that rely on old school scouts and their eyeball tests rather than truly innovative thinking.
To be fair, we're also not a small market team that needs to exploit system inefficiencies in order to compete against the Jones. From a resource standpoint, as we're all aware, we ARE the Joneses. Also, "innovation", is also laced with risks. At some point, being overly innovative carries the risk of being too cute and backfire. One can make the argument that we got a little too "innovative" with Manny Diaz.
For me, our issue isn't that we aren't innovative enough, it's that we mismanage the significant resources at our disposal. It's really as simple as that.
I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but why not hire an young up and coming assistant coach with a strong offensive background and bring him in to develop the offensive side of the game? I really like the way this team plays defense, but would like to see Barnes complement it with someone who can teach the offensive side of the game.
I would love to see Buzz here regardless of if he fits the mold. I mean this is who "WE" would like to see here, right?
I have loved watching Shaka Smart's VCU teams play in the tournament the last couple years, but I am still not sure if it's lighting in the bottle or not. But the speed and tempo in which his teams play is amazing.
Sean Miller and his staff seems like a "Texas" hire and looks like the perfect hire, but would he leave Arizona?
I don't know why, but I have always been intrigued by Brad Stevens
I like how there is now a thread discussing how the women's basketball coach may not have been the right hire due to a possible 0-7 conference start in her first season, yet Rick Barnes is about to start 0-5 in conference after 3 disappointing seasons in a row and most think we need to give him another year.
I agree with you. The biggest arguement being made for Barnes is "Well he has a young team and is missing their best player". In my opinion, I haven't seen any progress this year from the players on the team last year, save for "Juice". The games I have watched, it just looks like Barnes has almost given up out there. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see this every getting back going in the right direction. The thing that bothers me most is that it seems he has lost his way with the best players here in state and that's bothersome.
We're a Volleyball school.
9 and 4 at Texas sucks!
- Jeff Howe
2010-11 was not a disappointing season. It simply had a disappointing end. I don't think anyone thought in October, 2010, that Texas would go 13-3 in conference that year.
Agreed, I was oversimplifying and probably mostly for my arguments sake. Before the season, I would have taken a 13-3 conference and 2nd round tourney appearance given what we thought the team would be. Based on what my expectations became by mid-season, however, it was a disappointing end.
Yes, and I will add that it has been 3 disappointing seasons in 4, with the 4th having a disappointing end, so feel free to expand your time frame.
You are pretty tuned in to the bb team. Is this Barnes last year in your opinion? If not, you think this ship can get turned around?
Can't imagine Barnes would give up any control at this point.
I don't have contacts in the athletic department or with the money guys. I just watch a lot of basketball and fiddle around with stats. But no, this isn't the last year for Barnes absent some kind of scandal.
I still think next year's team can be very good. I have grave doubts that it can be as good as I imagined a few months ago it could be, but Felix is better than I feared (though the outside shooting is disappointing), Lewis is much improved offensively (at least in my mind), Holmes is a much fiercer rebounder on the defensive end and has shown significant improvement in defensive play overall, Lammert is way more advanced physically than we thought we'd see him as a freshman, and Papapetrou has shown himself to be way better than one might have reasonably expected an unranked freshman to be and quite a bit better than should have been anticipated even after hearing glowing reviews and knowing he was recruited by Self. With the exception of McClellan, the sophomores with big roles appear to be significantly improved. At least, the ones who have played are.
Ibeh and Ridley both need a TON of work before Texas has a legitimate inside scoring threat, and Texas needs to find a second and third consistent threat bta, but there are pieces on the floor that should make for a very good team next year.
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Sean Miller is who I have always wanted.
But I am not sure he is obtainable now.
It would take the right money.
Miller is already paid more than Barnes, and he's at a school where basketball is king. Doesn't seem like a gig anyone would be likely to leave. The "right money' would have to be a ridiculously large sum.
For all people complain about the atmosphere and attendance at the FEC, one obvious solution to me that gets overlooked by people complaining about alumni, seating, and size, is to upgrade the product on the court.
An entertaining product gets more viewers than a dull product. Barnesball at its best isn't the most entertaining basketball to watch outside the diehards.
Yeah I can't see Sean Miller leaving Arizona under almost any circumstances. ESPECIALLY for Texas. But it's a great pipe dream!
That's exactly what I was referring to when I said you seem pretty tuned in. I see the "potential" in everything you mentioned, just seems to me that Barnes doesn't put them in the best position to be successful. I don't know if Ibeh will ever be able to be counted on to provide much scoring inside outside of putbacks and dunks, but man I love his energy on the court in the games I have watched. Ridley seems like he could be a load, but it might take a Dexter Pittman like transformation of his body until he is truly ready. I really like Felix and can see him being really good. I just don't see them being able to win consistently this year or next as it seems no one can provide consistent scoring. McClellan....I don't know what to say about him.
I can see this team being very good with the addition of some sure fire scorers, I'm just not sure Barnes lasts long enough to see it through, either by him leaving on his own or being shown the door.
I agree 100%...Being a Mavs fan when they sucked and could fill little Reunion Arena, that's what Don Nelson did. Bring in something that was at least fun to watch while they improved the talent.
I do. Dude wins
However, he does it with a bunch of 2 star guys, but is that a direction we want to go?
Sean Miller almost left Arizona for Maryland for what I believe was going to be more money. But the enamor of Miller is his recruiting just as it is/was with Barnes. He's not as successful as you'd think he'd be. IMO he looks like a younger Barnes ad his teams aren't particularly great at offense or defense. And 3 years ago I was a huge supporter of him.
That is not entirely true. Stevens has had several 4 star players at Butler. Matt Howard, Khyle Marshall, Rotnei Clark, Kellen Dunham were all 4 stars, and Gordon Hayward would have been had he played AAU ball instead of tennis in the summer after his junior year in HS.
The problem with Stevens is location. He isn't leaving the Indianapolis area for anything short of the best job out there. Wife, father, and mother are all professionally employed around Indianapolis.
So over the past 4-5 years, he's had four 4-star guys, and one of them is an Arkansas transfer.
2 star or 5 star, I think you get the gist of point, that for the most part, he recruits long-term college basketball player, not those that treat college basketball as a necessary evil before they can realize their NBA dreams. And Texas, for the most part, is fixated with recruiting big named athletes and equating that to winning.
Can Brad Stevens recruit and coach 4-5 star players? It can be argued that it's easier to coach smart players, or those with a chip on their shoulder and want to prove the world wrong by working harder. I'm just saying at Texas, we tend to not see those kind of players.
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