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Not sure what to think, really. Part of me says the NCAA should stay out and let the legal system do its job.
The other part of me asks how is this not a textbook example of failure to monitor?
What do you guys think?
We already started hashing this out but I'm sure there are still a bunch here who have yet to chime in or complete their case.
It appears to me the NCAA is a day late and dollar short in terms of being able to take action, even if they had jurisdiction into this matter, which they do not. Irrespective of statute of limitations they missed the window a decade ago. Better to stay focused on recruiting infractions and impermissible benefits.
Apparently, the coverup involving Sandusky had been going on at PSU for over a decade, was a conspiracy, and directly involved Paterno and o
I think you wait and see what the legal fallout is before you do anything. But... I think they (NCAA) need to make a statement that they are going to wait for the legal process before proceeding. This will do a couple of things. It leaves that door open, instead of coming out of nowhere and starting an investigation. It also will give them access to a lot of information that they otherwise will not have access to because they have no subpoena powers over individuals. All they have is the open records request which would get them pages of redacted documents.
Not to mention one of the key guys that could have prevented it from continuing is dead and can't be punished. If the others involved such as the AD, President, etc... are found guilty and removed and not allowed to be a part of collegiate athletics ever again I will be happy. As far as that goes I think I would prefer that type of punishment for all schools going forward. I'm not a fan of punishing coaches and players that had no part of a violation.
The NCAA would have to make a rule to apply, and apply it retroactively. Not a good plan.
It's an easy call to say the NCAA should crack down on this, but when it begins looking into non-sports matters, it has to look in to all of them. For example, I don't want UT penalized in sports for what Cleve Bryant did. And that's just the beginning. They'd have the ability to review every parking ticket, every assault, every alcohol-related arrest.
This is for the courts. People who dropped the ball are going on trial. The school will pay millions in damages. Penn State isn't getting away with anything because the football team gets to play.
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Yes but we've essentially hashed this out through multiple threads. I think most the board members know where the others stand.
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I think it could fall under lack of institutional control. The fact that the perv used the football program as a means to facilitate his crimes is the big deal here. If he had done the stuff off campus even it might not be so bad. But the simple fact that this was going on for YEARS on the Penn State campus while using the football facilities with the coach and administration all knowing about it... well I don't see how that doesn't fall under lack of institutional control.
If Sandusky had gone off on his own time and done everything he did off campus while NOT using the program to lure in victims it wouldn't be any of the NCAA's business, but that's clearly not what occurred. On campus and everyone knew about it. NCAA punishment or not, all of those people should rot in hell.
Let the legal system work before NCAA gets involved. The legal system will probably result in jail time for the key parties in the coverup, No need to punish the players.
I agree. No student athletes involved, no NCAA. The fallout, lawsuits, and criminal charges for PSU will go on forever. Those involved will publicly and probably financially ruined before this is all over. Let the football program try to go on !!!!!!
If the NCAA digs they'll find the manner with which Joe Paterno and the Penn State administration covered up child rape they also used to cover up athlete indiscretions. The football program was running the university and if the football program could use it's influence to sweep the sexual abuse of children under the rug you know they did the same thing with other stuff.
Go get 'em.
Here's a post from another board that also succinctly sums up the way I feel.
Penn State and its head coach, president, and other admins directly covered up criminal activity of the worst kind which happened in their football facilities in order to protect the image and name of Penn State. This was done to help the football program as they knew the info getting out would hurt recruiting and donations to the school. Thus, their actions fall directly in line with lying in order to not have a competitive disadvantage in football and, in turn, the cover up of child rape could be considered in terms of gaining a competitive advantage.
The NCAA should have the ability to be all over this and if they can't it is a joke. The criminal and civil parts will play out in the courts but Penn State should burn from NCAA sanctions as people directly involved with running the program let these crimes go on in order to save their recruiting and football program's image. I mean come on, they let kid's be raped by a predator for years instead of risking any harm to Penn State football. How in the hell could this ever be considered not punishable?
PSU football gain no advantage on the field because of the coverup therefore no NCAA violation
Yes they did or else Joe Paterno wouldn't have worked to cover it up. Rather than expose a child rapist and risk the perception of the football program and university they covered it up and let more kids get raped.
This makes a lot of sense. The players were "victim age" when a lot of this was happening.
We're talking about the NCAA here...should they get involved? Yes, & they should issue a 1-year death penalty to PSU
It's taken the NCAA about 50 years to come up with a 4-team playoff...if it's taken that long for a simple playoff plan, anybody really have any hope they'll know how to handle the Penn St mess?
This post was edited by mcb0703 2 years ago
I thought at first that you needed to punish just those that were involved in the coverup but as more reports come out I think the NCAA needs to punish the Penn State program in order to change the football first culture. Penn State had more donations than ever this past year after the scandal so they are not going to be hurt financially. If you go to any of their boards they are all in denial and making excuses for Paterno and the football program. They have a top 15 recruiting class so far. It is business as usual once they pay off the victims and back to protecting Penn State football at all costs.
What exactly is a 1 year death penalty?
Ambiguous source. Possibly misread it.
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That's a huge stretch. They covered it up to protect the University image and protect a friend. That doesn't mean they were committing other violations in relation to football too. If the NCAA can't find any evidence of football violations they shouldn't assume there were some just because they covered up a whole different crime.
To me, the perpetrators are either indicted, convicted, or dead. No need to punish the kids and coaches there now who had nothing to do with it.
Well said papa. +1
A death penalty would punish athletes and coaches from the PSU program who had nothing to do with the scandal in the football program, and I trust the legal system to handle the matter much more effectively than the NCAA. Let's face it, if ever there were an organization who couldn't find it's own ace with both hands while fouling up a one car parade, the clowns in Indianapolis would be it.
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It's not a stretch whatsoever. It's already come out that Paterno sheltered players from other things that would have hurt the program. It seems obvious to me Joe Paterno, his coaches and the administrations top priority was not hurting the football program. They didn't care if kids were being raped.
In a nutshell they didn't care what it was they were going to do whatever it took to ensure the program didn't get hurt or look bad. That includes allowing kids to be raped. If this doesn't deserve the most severe penalty in the history of the NCAA than I don't k is what does.
As far as the people there now they'll be fine. They'll be allowed out of their scholarships to go elsewhere. The coaches will go on and coach elsewhere. If you used the "well everyone is gone" defense then nothing would ever happen b/c everyone is always gone by the time sanctions hit.
The message is simple: You do not cover up the sexual abuse of children to ensure your program doesn't get hurt.
Exactly. Failure to monitor? Perhaps a failure to monitor criminal activity, which is why this is a matter for the courts rather than for the NCAA. It doesn't involve the university's handling of student-athletes so it isn't an NCAA issue. People should go to jail for what happened, and apparently some of them will. That doesn't make it an NCAA issue any more than the various criminal activities of some of our football players a few years back was an NCAA issue.
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My apologies, Hookem89, I was referring to my own reading of an article when I said "Ambiguous source. Possibly misread it." That's why I withdrew my comment.
I had linked to a similar article, but it did not make clear whether Pegula's huge donation for the hockey arena was accounted to the most recent fiscal year or to 2010-11.
No apology needed. I misread your post.
If you're saying the NCAA should punish for the actions they know they did in covering up the child abuse that's one thing. It seemed as if you were saying they should punish them because since they covered up the child abuse then they must have been covering up other things, which I think would be a terrible assumption to make. I agree with punishing a program when there's violations that give an unfair competitive advantage which is what the NCAA's jurisdiction should be. I don't agree that the NCAA's jurisdiction is over US law and criminal matters which are being handled by the courts. To me the most the NCAA should do is put a ban on all individuals involved in the cover up from being associated or employed by member institutions.
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